I came back to AMD today!!

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: swtethan
you paid $300? could have bought a pentium D for the same price and better performance... sorry to burst your bubble


$600 P-D price cut down to $300

. . .

please justify this, i'd want to hear your reasoning...

having already owned a 820 @ 3.3ghz, 50c idle and 72c load with a Big Typhoon, i think the summer temps would definitely kill this 'deal', and if you really feel comfortable about having cpus this high in temp...

buy a 950 @3.5ghz stock for $300 and you wont be feeling those temps

Why get a 950 for $300, when you can get an X2 3800 and it will almost equal the 950 at stock, and easily OC to 2.5 and beat the OC'ed 950, and still produce less heat.

3800 isnt equal to the 950, take a look around at benchies and then come back

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: swtethan
you paid $300? could have bought a pentium D for the same price and better performance... sorry to burst your bubble


$600 P-D price cut down to $300

. . .

please justify this, i'd want to hear your reasoning...

having already owned a 820 @ 3.3ghz, 50c idle and 72c load with a Big Typhoon, i think the summer temps would definitely kill this 'deal', and if you really feel comfortable about having cpus this high in temp...

buy a 950 @3.5ghz stock for $300 and you wont have those kinds of temps with a nice heatsink

Its 3.4ghz stock... and no they perfrom almost identical at stock speeds, anyways the X2 3800+ can overclock quite easily to 2.4ghz with stock voltage, i mean even on a board like Asus A8v u can get those speeds (and yes i did try that and it woked fine), plus i would like to see any PD outperform x2 past 2.6ghz short of 4ghz which you can only achieve with a good expencive 775 board.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: swtethan

buy a 950 @3.5ghz stock for $300 and you wont have those kinds of temps with a nice heatsink

Ummm...let's compare apples to apples.

1. Stock HSF
2. Equal priced mobo (say ~$115)
3. Equal priced case

Given those 3 things, the X2 comes out as a much better deal for overclockers...

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: AkumaX

Originally posted by: swtethan
you paid $300? could have bought a pentium D for the same price and better performance... sorry to burst your bubble


$600 P-D price cut down to $300

. . .

please justify this, i'd want to hear your reasoning...

having already owned a 820 @ 3.3ghz, 50c idle and 72c load with a Big Typhoon, i think the summer temps would definitely kill this 'deal', and if you really feel comfortable about having cpus this high in temp...

buy a 950 @3.5ghz stock for $300 and you wont be feeling those temps with a nice heatsink

Why get a 950 for $300, when you can get an X2 3800 and it will almost equal the 950 at stock, and easily OC to 2.5 and beat the OC'ed 950, and still produce less heat.

3800 isnt equal to the 950, take a look around at benchies and then come back

right... but i don't have to worry about those kinds of temps with any heatsink on the x2 3800+

and for comparison toms' (blagh, i feel dirty for linking this...)
they perform about the same (each taking a tiny lead, depending on the application), so in mr. pro intel's site, they're about even

i wont interject in the cost of electricity argument, but i will point out that, according to xbit's articles, a 950 @ 3.4ghz on full load is around 120w, whereas the x2 3800+ @ 2.0ghz is 65w. overclocked, the difference is something along the lines of 180w for a 950 @ 3.8ghz, and 95w for an x2 @ 2.4ghz. i'd feel a lot more comfortable with a cpu that produces less heat...

edit: which is why i would switch to Conroe (if the rumors are true!)

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

At stock speeds they do not perform almost identical. The 950 wins almost every benchmark over the 3800x2 at stock, by a huge margin on occasions. It even outperforms the 4200+ in many tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/index.html
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=pd900

 

[msi1337]

I did not start this thread to ensue a war between intel and AMD fanboys... they are both good processors and serve a purpose.. I am just celebrating my return to AMD... Had I purchased a dual core p4, I am sure I would be happy as well

 

[F1shF4t]

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
At stock speeds they do not perform almost identical. The 950 wins almost every benchmark over the 3800x2 at stock, by a huge margin on occasions. It even outperforms the 4200+ in many tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/index.html
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=pd900

I wouldnt say a huge margin, but its comparable, to the point that getting one over the other doesnt make a diff. Considering power consumption, heat and if you overclock the 3800+ is a much better deal. Although if u dont care about other weaknesses of the PD 950 and planing to run at stock u can get the 950 as it will perform somewhat a bit better.

 

[imported_UncivilizedAMD]

Originally posted by: Dark Cupcake

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD
At stock speeds they do not perform almost identical. The 950 wins almost every benchmark over the 3800x2 at stock, by a huge margin on occasions. It even outperforms the 4200+ in many tests.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/05/10/dual_41_ghz_cores/index.html
http://www.gamepc.com/labs/print_content.asp?id=pd900

I wouldnt say a huge margin, but its comparable, to the point that getting one over the other doesnt make a diff. Considering power consumption, heat and if you overclock the 3800+ is a much better deal. Although if u dont care about other weaknesses of the PD 950 and planing to run at stock u can get the 950 as it will perform somewhat a bit better.

When you are beating or in contention with a 4800+ in certain tests, I'd considered that being winning by a huge margin over the 3800+ since the 4800 is 2.4g compared to the 3800 1.8g. In the multitasking 1 test, it is just 1 second slower than a 4800+. In the multitasking 2 test, it is way on top of the list compared to the 4800+. In the divx, test it beats the 4400+. In lame test it also bested the 3800+. In the Ogg test it bested the 4800+.

 

[Amaroque]

You guys forgot to mention noise. I build my PC's to be silent (for 24/7 loaded operation). I can't have a silent PC with that CPU fan cranking.

I live in a small house, and my two X2's do add heat. The difference between an X2, and a P4 running in my den is literally night and day. Heat, and noise are my primary concerns. The P4 fails miserably here.

 

[allies]

I think it's quite funny that people are suggesting the P4s now. Ever since Conroe was announced the latent fanboys have been coming out of the woodwork spouting misinformation. Don't tell the OP what he should have done. He made a good choice any way you look at it (if he needed a computer ASAP, if he could have held off for a quarter or so he probably should have), and got a PC that when overclocked should be a top dog in any aspect of computing for the time being. So stop the flaming, it's pretty moot at this point.

 

[evenmore1]

oops

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: UncivilizedAMD

When you are beating or in contention with a 4800+ in certain tests, I'd considered that being winning by a huge margin over the 3800+ since the 4800 is 2.4g compared to the 3800 1.8g. In the multitasking 1 test, it is just 1 second slower than a 4800+. In the multitasking 2 test, it is way on top of the list compared to the 4800+. In the divx, test it beats the 4400+. In lame test it also bested the 3800+. In the Ogg test it bested the 4800+.

Mate...you really need to check your facts.
The 3800+ X2 is 2 GHz...

 

[evenmore1]

Originally posted by: msi1337
I did not start this thread to ensue a war between intel and AMD fanboys... they are both good processors and serve a purpose.. I am just celebrating my return to AMD... Had I purchased a dual core p4, I am sure I would be happy as well

Exactly...it is too late to switch to Intel again....
btw: Intel mobos that OC well are over $100. There are a few cheaper AMD OC boards for ~$75...but it's not that much savings anyway....so that said, buy in your terms of budget and needs...

Enjoy your new PC OP!!! Give us some benchmarks and I might be convinced to upgrade my compy

edited for grammar

edit 2: I just realized that I have 256 posts! w00t!!!

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: allies
I think it's quite funny that people are suggesting the P4s now. Ever since Conroe was announced the latent fanboys have been coming out of the woodwork spouting misinformation. Don't tell the OP what he should have done. He made a good choice any way you look at it (if he needed a computer ASAP, if he could have held off for a quarter or so he probably should have), and got a PC that when overclocked should be a top dog in any aspect of computing for the time being. So stop the flaming, it's pretty moot at this point.

QFT...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Viditor

Originally posted by: allies
I think it's quite funny that people are suggesting the P4s now. Ever since Conroe was announced the latent fanboys have been coming out of the woodwork spouting misinformation. Don't tell the OP what he should have done. He made a good choice any way you look at it (if he needed a computer ASAP, if he could have held off for a quarter or so he probably should have), and got a PC that when overclocked should be a top dog in any aspect of computing for the time being. So stop the flaming, it's pretty moot at this point.

QFT...

I agree mate!!!!


Until conroe comes out the X2's are the better cpu and even in most cases against the uber cheap 805D overclocked...Why?? Cause even a modest OC on most od the X2's/opterons still equal it...often done with regualr heatsinks and little or no voltage boost....

NIce try though....

Go ahead and ask intel's own Stevty who owns 9xx series chips....The X2's are still the better deal....

 

[AkumaX]

Originally posted by: evenmore1

Originally posted by: msi1337
I did not start this thread to ensue a war between intel and AMD fanboys... they are both good processors and serve a purpose.. I am just celebrating my return to AMD... Had I purchased a dual core p4, I am sure I would be happy as well

Exactly...it is too late to switch to Intel again....
btw: Intel mobos that OC well are over $100. There are a few cheaper AMD OC boards for ~$75...but it's not that much savings anyway....so that said, buy in your terms of budget and needs...

Enjoy your new PC OP!!! Give us some benchmarks and I might be convinced to upgrade my compy

edited for grammar

edit 2: I just realized that I have 256 posts! w00t!!!

plus you'll need a high-end heatsink to keep it cool, vs. crappy a64 hsf

this one's for you: 10000000

 

[pkme2]

Congrats, good choice.

 

[msi1337]

whos gonna give me a good heatsink recommendation for the x2?

somewhere in the $30-$40 price range?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: msi1337
whos gonna give me a good heatsink recommendation for the x2?

somewhere in the $30-$40 price range?

I've been very pleased with the alu XP-90 TextInstalling the bracket didn't require removing my board either.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: msi1337
whos gonna give me a good heatsink recommendation for the x2?

somewhere in the $30-$40 price range?

I've been very pleased with the alu XP-90 TextInstalling the bracket didn't require removing my board either.

I had no trouble hitting 2.6Ghz on My Opt 165 with the alu XP-90

 

[msi1337]

I went with the new stock hsf with the FX60... the copper 4 heatpipe amd one... why this heatsink? It was $15 shipped and I am really not going to go into huge overclocking...

I need suggestions on how to achieve the highest overclock with stock voltage?

I recently upgraded to the newest bios for my board (dfi nf4 sli infinity) and I can now run 2400mhz (4xhtt, 240fsb, 5/6 divider for mem) and I have tested it with dual prime 95 stable for 12 hours...with stock heatsink it gets to 48'C, but I have not received the new FX series heatpipe heatsink I have ordered yet.

I am perfectly happy with 2400...just want to experiment to see if I can get to about 2500+mhz without upping stock voltage...

Also, my new MSI x1800xt 512mb card comes in today.. I am stoked and can't wait to get it...this will be the first time I have ever owned one of the fastest video cards.. It is a little bit of a waste right now, because I have a basic 17" crt and I am running at 1024x768..but this card will allow me a much longer wait until I have to upgrade again. I mainly play hl2 and games on steam..so I am sure it will smoke

 

[imported_harlanpepper]

Might need more volts above 2400... that's about where I had to bump the stock volts (one core kept failing after about 2 hours of the blend test). I run mine at 1.375 volts @ 2530 dual prime95 stable 24/7.

 

[Karaktu]

Originally posted by: Furen
Here's my opinion...

The two 6600GTs are a waste, I'd go with a faster single card rather than two slower ones (disregard me if you bought them separately and used SLI as a way to upgrade). Also, considering that AM2 came out yesterday I would have gone for that instead of socket 939 (the price is similar enough, in my opinion, and there are some pretty cheap NF5 mobos out there).

The thing I've read about M2 is that you need some high performance DDR2-800 to compete with 2-2-2-5 DDR-400. My primary interest in M2 would be from a lower power consumption stand point (about 3/5ths the memory voltage) at this point. Other than that, look how much better AMD CPUs overclocked in the multiple core revisions they've undergone since the inital socket 754 and 939. I'd hold off a little bit.

 

[BlvdKing]

Nice comp. I've had my single core 3400+ for more than two years now and it's starting to feel old...