Preschott (no mistake the "h" is intentional) is far from being an oustanding product, the potential is so low that its production will end soon. Besides its VERY HOT. The effect of additional cache is cancelled by the effect of the additional pipeline stages. And the only higher feature of presscot is heat!.
The A64 is superior, look at anand bencmarks. The difference btw fastest intel CPUs and fastest AMD CPU's is more than 15% in general terms. Besides you get 64 bits support for free!!
The A64 is superior, look at anand bencmarks. The difference btw fastest intel CPUs and fastest AMD CPU's is more than 15% in general terms. Besides you get 64 bits support for free!!
There is another problem with high consumption. High consumption = higher electricity bill.
The difference is pretty high when comparing a Winchester A64 3500+ and Prescott 3.4GHz (both priced around the same). Not only the Athlon64 is faster, it also saves you money in the long tearm.
And imagine Prescott based Xeons 4P (Nocona) server, all the heat must go somewhere, and if you have 100's of them...
The difference is pretty high when comparing a Winchester A64 3500+ and Prescott 3.4GHz (both priced around the same). Not only the Athlon64 is faster, it also saves you money in the long tearm.
And imagine Prescott based Xeons 4P (Nocona) server, all the heat must go somewhere, and if you have 100's of them...
A dodge viper is less efficient than a honda civic. Your point?
the bottom line is no one cares about clock for clock performance, its how much work the cpu completes in a given amount of time that matters. Ya know, the performance of the cpu, i dont care if its 10mhz or 210ghz if one outperforms the other, thats what matters.
Playing the "omg its hot" and "omg its enefficient" cards are moot points to 99% of users. The performance is relatively close, and the prescott isnt a bad option. Thats what it comes down to.
(I am a future A64 user when the SLI boards hit the streets by the way, so dont even try the fanboi card either.)
But we dont, we are home users.
Power consumption on a prescott vs an A64... even in california youre talking $2 a month.
In my country 1L of gas is $2.5, Athlon64 3000+ is ~$250 ($179 at Newegg) and if your computer is on 24/7, extra 60W is not a small difference. Plus, our GDP is about 1/3 of the USA's.
You use gas to power your house?
It doesnt consume 60w more.
It consumes whatever the Power supply sucks up, buying a cheap innefficient power supply will make a larger difference in your electricity bill than owning a prescott will.
Most PSU fall 55-70% minimum. So it's probably about about the same between a godawful PSU and the best PSU you can buy and a prescott and a A64.
And $2 a month is $24 a year. If your electric bill went up $24 a year, you wouldn't be upset? I can't believe it's that much. Even at $5-10 more a year, thats a BIG difference. But that's still not the point. He has an SFF rig. SFF are designed to be used (ideally) with low-power and low-heat parts (First SFF were via's if Im not mistaken). You've got what is at best for the prescott a tie in performance and in most instances actually favors the alternatives... you bet your ass that efficiency and heat output are relevant. Again, if these issues were problematic for him, then they probably would already have surfaced. But to save people who could have problems with them from making an uninformed purchase of the prescott, they should be mentioned.
And $2 a month is $24 a year. If your electric bill went up $24 a year, you wouldn't be upset? I can't believe it's that much. Even at $5-10 more a year, thats a BIG difference. But that's still not the point. He has an SFF rig. SFF are designed to be used (ideally) with low-power and low-heat parts (First SFF were via's if Im not mistaken). You've got what is at best for the prescott a tie in performance and in most instances actually favors the alternatives... you bet your ass that efficiency and heat output are relevant. Again, if these issues were problematic for him, then they probably would already have surfaced. But to save people who could have problems with them from making an uninformed purchase of the prescott, they should be mentioned.
Japan has more than 1/3 of US GDP.
China has more than 1/2 of US GDP.
But judging from his profile, I'd say he meant to say 1/3% of the US GDP (~36billion vs ~11trillion)
China has more than 1/2 of US GDP.
But judging from his profile, I'd say he meant to say 1/3% of the US GDP (~36billion vs ~11trillion)
You use gas to power your house?
It doesnt consume 60w more.
It consumes whatever the Power supply sucks up, buying a cheap innefficient power supply will make a larger difference in your electricity bill than owning a prescott will.
people do have gasoline powered generators to power their houses.
just because you don't live in tre countries you invade doesn'nt mean they're thick or impoverished.
Certainly not impoverished. They have more than 2/3 the US gdp per capita, and a more even distribution of wealth, hence standard of living is probably higher.
Well, given software only optimized for P4/SSE2, AMD AXP did comparably poorly on those media applications. But the P4 has weaknesses too. Various obscure technical monster applications, run almost twice as fast on AMD. And any code (i.e. old applications) not being compiled for P4 will run poorly on it. This was the reason I and my workplace finally switched to AMD for some tasks, some 2 years ago.
One problem with published evaluations of CPUs, is that they tend to ONLY use benchmarks custom tailored to Intel, that are maximum optimized for the P4. The only fairly common benchmarks that don't readily fall into that cathegory, are games. Now games too, contain optimizations for P4, in particular the 3D-engine. Still the public verdict is that AMD does well on games. Me, I think this is only a reflection of AMD's general advantage, that becomes widely visable only in games benchmarks.
You don't have to worry though. Modern mainstream apps are brilliantly adapted to the P4. And mostly, in those segments where it does poorly, it's not really 'performance critical', meaning you won't notice it's slow. The heavy work will be done fast.
But, to me, "overall well rounded processor that could take on every obstacle" is pretty much the very opposite to the P4-architecture. Where did you get that notion? Lack of SSE2 support in AXP, I suppose?
And that is just right! Also, you have hyperthreading in your P4, also a benefit. But another 'obstacle' it won't be able to take on, is 64-bit code.
But I agree with most posters here: Don't worry, you're fine. Doesn't really matter what CPU you get, you'll find negative comments about it. Your CPU have its strengths, and weaknesses. So do other.
And unless you're looking at many hours of computing, on money time, 5, 10, 25 even 30% this or that, isn't really noticable. (It's still what guides our (geekhead) purchases though. And I think that's fine, since it drives progress.)
A thing to maybe worry about, is whether your CPU will throttle under load. In my experience, some P4s, particularly the early ones, and now current Prescotts, may do so within ~40 minutes of sustained load.
Only way I know of discovering it for sure, is benchmarking performance. You could look at temperatures for a guide though. If it stays in the 50'ies (C), or low 60'ies, you're probably ok.
But if it does throttle, I would say the problem really isn't the CPU, but the heatsink.
I think you'll have to get used to that, because both generally and from the personal viewpoint of many posters here, Intel do indeed suck, currently. And even if that wasn't so, there's always the "my computer is better than yours".
I still think that you've got a potentially (with the right video card and right heatsink) great PC. Enjoy it!
i dont know im running an athlon (not 64) and will upgrade when the sli board come. i happen to know two guys who both bought a computer recently one got a 3.4 p4 like you just better grafics and the other got an fx-53. the intel seems to run smoother to me. i dont really care for games and i dont know if its the hyper threading or the higher ghz or the fact that the amd guy bough 3-3-3 ram, they both run a 6600gt so that cant be it. i intend to run xp64 tho so ill get a 3500+ anyway. dont see a point in spending 400 euros more on a 4000+ that does everything like 8% faster while costing 230%. ima definitely get ocz 2-2-2 tho just not sure if the platinums or platinum rev 2 cuz noone on here seems to wanna tell me what the difference is i never overclock tho so maybe i wont feel a difference anyway. still sad ppl dont answer my question about those rams.
Originally posted by: Paratus
Acanthus don't bother, it was a good try but this is going nowhere.
A good try? whatre you talking about?
People are tossing around a bunch of points that mean nothing to anyone but nerds in a pissing contest.
OMGZ P4 is hot and ineffecient look at your power bill LOLOLOL!@!!!!
Really, the difference is smaller than many think, and just because AMD has a SLIGHT upper hand right now, doesnt mean Intel is a bad choice either.
When you are paying your own power bill and running 3+ rigs 24/7; then you try and tell me that it means nothing.
And you can't really believe that a hotter running processor doesn't mean anything. That's just foolish.
And you can't really believe that a hotter running processor doesn't mean anything. That's just foolish.
a cpu that runs 5 C hotter than another CPU doesn't mean that it is going to expire anytime sooner or perform slower. So I myself think it doesn't mean anything. You guys act is if we are talking like 25 degrees or something.
I pay my own power bill and run 4. (soon to be 5)
Celeron 800, 512MB PC100
Athlon XP Mobile 2500+ @ 2.3ghz, 512MB PC3200
P4C 2.4, 1GB PC3200
P4C 2.6 @ 3.46, 1GB PC4200
(coming soon) Athlon 64 3000+ (OCed), 1GB PC4200, NVIDIA SLI.
and heat hasnt meant anything for quite a while. (since what, the Tbird days?) Your precious graphics cards run 80C+ under load if you have a new gen.
My power bill isnt outrageous, even with 4 PCs folding seti @ home constantly.
Really, keep plugging these moot points, ill go by performance like the rest of the world that uses rational thought.
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