I bent up my rear wheel, any advice?

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Azndude51

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What happened:
Well, I was driving in a parking lot after it snowed a few inches and honestly, I was going a bit faster than I should've been. I hit a patch of ice that was obscured by the snow during left turn and I spun out a bit. The passenger side rear wheel smacked up against a curb.

The damage:
The wheel now has a big chunk chipped off and the bottom of the wheel is tilted in a bit (the wheel still spins straight, not wobbly). The tilt to the wheel is not even noticeable if you just glance at it unless you are looking for it. Also, there is a humming/grinding noise coming from the wheel when driving, I was guessing that it's the bearing. The car also tracks a little to the left which I'm pretty sure it didn't do before.

Estimate from dealer:
I took it to the dealer just to see what they would say about it and to get an estimate, I probably won't get it fixed there since they are always busy as hell and overcharge. Anyways, the estimator person bent down on the ground and looked underneath the car. The final estimate was $800 to replace the wheel, bearing, 2 control arms, labor, and an alignment. I probably won't file a claim with my insurance since my deductible is high and I don't want another accident claim on my record.

My experience with other shops:
I then took the car to a locally owned collision shop and they said they couldn't do anything for me besides replace the wheel. They don't do their own suspension work and only have one lift and usually send suspension work to someone else if they needed it done. They recommended for me to go to Midas since they have an alignment machine. I went to Midas, they put the car on a lift and had multiple mechanics stare at it and examine it for about 20 minutes. They finally told me that they couldn't tell which control arm was bent and that I should try somewhere else (they recommended Maaco which was around the corner). I went to Maaco and that mechanic took a look under the car int he parking lot, looked up some info and told me that he didn't want to do the work since he didn't have an alignment rack and didn't want to guess which control arm was bent. He also said that it was strange that Midas said they couldn't do the work either since he said they had an alignment rack that could tell which part was bent (similar to what the first shop said about Midas). Anyways he recommended another locally owned shop that he says does good work and has an alignment rack. I called them up and set up an appointment two days from now to get the car on the alignment rack for $55 which I would have to pay for anyways if I got the car fixed there.

I now have to wait 2 days before I can get my car to that shop. Meanwhile, I HAVE to drive my car, I'm worried a bit that the tire will pop off or something or that my wheel will fall off from bearing failure. I'm driving extra slowly and avoiding all potholes and bumps. Anyways, does anyone have any advice on anything else I should do at this point or advice on getting it fixed?

UPDATE: I just took it to another independent shop and they recommended replacing all 4 control arms, bearing, a knuckle, and the wheel for a total of $900 (including labor).

UPDATE 2:
So I went to the shop with the alignment rack this morning and here's the price they gave me:
$55 aligment (to get the wheel straight again)
$130 Wheel
$200 Bearing
$100 Labor
+Tax
=~$500

I'm not 100% sure if I should get the work done here. They said that the control arm was not bent enough to warrant a new one and that they can just do some sort of alignment and it is enough to get the wheel straight again. Since a couple of the other shops I went to couldn't even tell (visually) which one was bent, I guess what they are saying isn't unreasonable. What do you guys think?

I don't really care that much about this car since it is pretty beat up already, I just want to get my car running decently. The main thing is that I want to try to save money and this shop is the cheapest.

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jaha2000

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If it was me...
I would take it to the place that said the could fix it.
800 does not seem that bad to me.
Alloy wheel is going to 300ish???
Bearing is about 100
Control arms are probably 75 a pop
Again these are all guesses but dont seem unreasonable.
call it 500 in parts.. they are charging you 300 in labor including alignment? My guess would be 4 hours of work there.....
Pretty decent from a dealer.
 

Zenmervolt

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Definitely need a new wheel, and you've definitely bent one of the control arms at least, possibly both, along with killing the bearing The dealer's estimate is not out of line for what they intend to do, though I have a feeling that they are replacing both control arms largely because they cannot easily tell which has been bent (if indeed only one has been bent, it's still possible that both are bent).

Midas and Maaco are not exactly what I would recommend as competent shops. I'd call them both bottom feeders. Find a local, independent, foreign car mechanic and take the car there for an inspection rather than relying on chains that will hire any 18-year-old who knows which end of a lug wrench to hold.

ZV
 

Azndude51

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Well, I updated the original post with another shop's recommendation and it's $100 more than the dealer's, but the are replacing a lot more parts. However, the problem I have with this dealer is that their estimates are always end up being lower than the final price. Every time my family or friends have taken their vehicle to get repaired at that dealer (about 4-5 times), the final cost is always significantly higher. The last time the estimate was $1900 and it ended up being a $3800 repair for a collision, but the other person's insurance was covering it so it wasn't a big deal. I don't know if it is just a coincidence that they always find something else wrong or if it is intentional.

Should I pay for the $55 to check the alignment at this next shop? or should I just go to the dealer or the most recent shop that said it would be $900?
 

Azndude51

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Originally posted by: jaha2000
If it was me...
I would take it to the place that said the could fix it.
800 does not seem that bad to me.
Alloy wheel is going to 300ish???
Bearing is about 100
Control arms are probably 75 a pop
Again these are all guesses but dont seem unreasonable.
call it 500 in parts.. they are charging you 300 in labor including alignment? My guess would be 4 hours of work there.....
Pretty decent from a dealer.

You are pretty close. If I recall correctly, it was around $80 for each control arms, $180 for a reconditioned wheel, $130 for bearing, $70 for an alignment, and the rest is tax and labor for 3-4 hours of work.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: funboy6942
So if you look and see NO bent anything under there, they are taking you for a ride, and your the bitch on that ride with no lube ;)

You can't always see the bend. A couple of degrees is all that is necessary to throw off alignment in a permanent way. The OP has already said that the car is now pulling to the side which indicates at least one bent suspension component. Given the description of a groaning noise, there's definitely bearing damage.

Just slapping a new wheel on the car will not fix the issue. The suspension is not designed to take loading in that direction and even small forces in the "wrong" direction, like sliding sideways into a curb, can damage suspension components quite easily.

ZV
 

bruceb

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I agree, wheel alignment and bent suspension parts are very likely. As to the tire still holding air, I hit the center concrete divider once in the snow, wheel glanced off it and it took about a 8-10 inch chunk out the rim in the same way. The tire bead stayed seated and it still held air. Stayed that way for 2 days till I could get the new rim put on. And when I went to swap the tire, they found it's bead was now defective. So it was a tire and a rim, plus a wheel alignment.
 

Mermaidman

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As far as getting a replacement wheel, you might find a cheap one on eBay. Couple of years ago, I bought a set of 4 OEM wheels for the MSRP of one from a private seller! Caveat: My garage said one of the four wheels was slightly bent.
 

dud

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Cheap answer:

A replacement wheel on an older car should be relatively inexpensive. Go for it ...
 

bpjz24

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going to reply to funboy, I don't know him from Adam, but says in post above "Hell if he came into my shop and we piss ass broke with not much work Id recommend him all kinds of shit "
Well i certainly wouldn't have a shop work on my car that thinks other parts aren't bent, when op states that :

"The wheel now has a big chunk chipped off and the bottom of the wheel is tilted in a bit (the wheel still spins straight, not wobbly)."

Anyone can get from that that the wheel isn't bent, just chipped, and the control arms ARE bent, making the wheel sit at a lean. Sheesh

I read Anandtech all the time, maybe post once a year, but couldn't pass on this.
 

Azndude51

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: funboy6942
So if you look and see NO bent anything under there, they are taking you for a ride, and your the bitch on that ride with no lube ;)

You can't always see the bend. A couple of degrees is all that is necessary to throw off alignment in a permanent way. The OP has already said that the car is now pulling to the side which indicates at least one bent suspension component. Given the description of a groaning noise, there's definitely bearing damage.

Just slapping a new wheel on the car will not fix the issue. The suspension is not designed to take loading in that direction and even small forces in the "wrong" direction, like sliding sideways into a curb, can damage suspension components quite easily.

ZV

To funboy6942,

I believe Zenmervolt is correct in the post I quoted above, it seems in line with what most of the shops I've been to are saying. If it was the wheel itself that was bent, there would be a visible wobble with it spins (there is not). The wheel is tilted in at the bottom no matter what the orientation of the wheel is. I actually hit the curb relatively fast, maybe 10mph sideways if I had to guess and I'm sure that would be enough force to bend a control arm slightly even with the tires taking most of the impact.
 

SSSnail

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You can get a new set of wheels for that much, either that or go to a junkyard and see if you can get one for cheap.
 

funboy6942

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Guys, just ignore me, I totally missed that part in the thread and havent been all well in the head the last few days and I dont remember seeing that at all. Thats my bad in this, and a huge whoops on my part. Im just trying to keep my mind going and overlooked that whole section for I really dont remember seeing that till just now.
:(
 

bpjz24

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Funboy Ignored... LOL So if you honestly missed that part, then i understand, but if you hadn't, i guess you also understand where i was coming from. No big deal . Just wanted to correct.
 

Azndude51

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Originally posted by: funboy6942
Guys, just ignore me, I totally missed that part in the thread and havent been all well in the head the last few days and I dont remember seeing that at all. Thats my bad in this, and a huge whoops on my part. Im just trying to keep my mind going and overlooked that whole section for I really dont remember seeing that till just now.
:(

It's no big deal, thanks for trying to help though.
 

Rumpltzer

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I bought an 15-inch alloy wheel (plus attached bald tire) for an early 90s Toyota last year at a junk yard. I intentionally showed up with only $40 in my wallet. They asked for $60. I showed them that I only had $40 in my wallet and offered to go to an ATM but they took the $40 instead.
 

funboy6942

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Originally posted by: bpjz24
Funboy Ignored... LOL So if you honestly missed that part, then i understand, but if you hadn't, i guess you also understand where i was coming from. No big deal . Just wanted to correct.

No, I totally understand. I saw your reply this morning and was like "WTF", and I went back up and then I was like "WTF, You moron, way to go jack ass! Next time read, then re-read, then read it one more time before you reply fart tard."

I read it and then realized none of what I wrote made much sense other then to go buy the tire and wheel at the yard, all the rest of my spat was, well, spat.
 

Azndude51

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So I went to the shop with the alignment rack this morning and here's the price they gave me:
$55 aligment (to get the wheel straight again)
$130 Wheel
$200 Bearing
$100 Labor
+Tax
=~$500

I'm not 100% sure if I should get the work done here. They said that the control arm was not bent enough to warrant a new one and that they can just do some sort of alignment and it is enough to get the wheel straight again. Since a couple of the other shops I went to couldn't even tell (visually) which one was bent, I guess what they are saying isn't unreasonable. What do you guys think?

I don't really care that much about this car since it is pretty beat up already, I just want to running decently. The main thing is that I want to try to save money and this shop is the cheapest.

Thanks
 
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