Ok, I have had my geforce 2 for a couple months and this was my first major 3d card purchase since the original voodoo 1. The card did not quite meet my expectations however. The image quality was fine, but there is annoying flickering every now and then that i just cannot solve. Also, i noticed that whenever there is camera panning it is jerky and not smooth at all. When using high quality textures i experience fluctuating fps. The gameplay is pretty jerky in my opinion. Now, to all voodoo 5500 owners, how does it play? Is it smooth when panning around? Does it flicker every now and then? How is the image quality? I just want a card that is smooth and not jerky like my geforce is! So please tell me your experiences.
I am seriously considering switching my Geforce 2 GTS for a Voodoo 5
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I can't comment on the Geforce, however I have a Voodoo 5 5500 on my P3 800 and I LOVE IT. That anti aliasing is AWESOME! Voodoo 5 is great.
I'm a fan of Nvidia, but I like fair competition. Many voodoo-supporters have suggested that most graphics benchmarks (including 3dmark) are biased in favor of Nvidia cards. While this may not be done intentionally, it still is possible that it could be true since voodoo and geforce cards render in very different ways with very different features, strengths, and weaknesses.
Most people don't play benchmarks. And most benchmarks today don't give you the whole story--you really need to play the games you want on the cards you're looking at to decide. Electronics Boutique I think gives you 10 days to return with no restocking fee; I'm going to go that route myself soon.
I had the flickering problem as well with some D3D games however one of the leaked drivers fixed it. I forgot which one it was. It should be fixed I assume with the next driver revision. I didn't experience any of the other problems you mentioned.
Whatever you do, don't go to the ATI Radeon. I really hated that video card. I got a lot of Jerkyness with D3D games and corruption with others. I would rather have a V5 5500 than a Radeon.
Whatever you do, don't go to the ATI Radeon. I really hated that video card. I got a lot of Jerkyness with D3D games and corruption with others. I would rather have a V5 5500 than a Radeon.
you know i could give a crap what card scores the highest in benchmarks. What i care about are lows and the consisitency of the framerate. I want smooth gameplay, i hate stuttering and the flickering i get with my geforce 2.
Pigde how many megs did that radeon have? I think theres an issue with 32mb cards where in the case of q3 if you "pan" around it is jerky. It certianly does it with my card (but then agian why would i "pan" around while playing?).
Sudheer, the 5500 plays like buttah....
I noticed jerkiness in UT, Deux Ex (like mad) and NFS-PU with the GTS
never saw jerkiness with the 5500, unless I had some crazy settings set
I noticed jerkiness in UT, Deux Ex (like mad) and NFS-PU with the GTS
never saw jerkiness with the 5500, unless I had some crazy settings set
I agree about the benchmark thing to a certain degree. I don't normally play benchmarks either, I play games. 
My GTS is decent, but the image quality is poor overall, and the performance is not nearly as good as it looks on paper. I would much rather have a Radeon, or even a Voodoo5. I have spent a lot of time playing on Radeon and Voodoo5 lately at some friends houses, and the Radeon is amazing, and the V5 is very good too. I will probably make a switch pretty soon if I can sell my GTS for a decent price. My first choice is a 64MB Radeon VIVO of course. Man that's a sweet card. I may not be able to afford it though so I will probably get a 32MB Radeon or Voodoo5 5500.
Either way Anne, you will get better real world performance from the Radeon or V5 without as much jerkiness, and improved image quality too.
My GTS is decent, but the image quality is poor overall, and the performance is not nearly as good as it looks on paper. I would much rather have a Radeon, or even a Voodoo5. I have spent a lot of time playing on Radeon and Voodoo5 lately at some friends houses, and the Radeon is amazing, and the V5 is very good too. I will probably make a switch pretty soon if I can sell my GTS for a decent price. My first choice is a 64MB Radeon VIVO of course. Man that's a sweet card. I may not be able to afford it though so I will probably get a 32MB Radeon or Voodoo5 5500.
Either way Anne, you will get better real world performance from the Radeon or V5 without as much jerkiness, and improved image quality too.
I say go for it. I mean hell, I use my V5 over my GF Ultra, so I'm sure you can figure out what I think of the GTS. The V5 gives a much greater overall gaming experiance and you'll enjoy it a lot.
Domino go with the 64 meg Radeon. You wont be happy with the 32.I had to go back to my 5500 couse of the slow d3d. i like the Radeon but the 32 megger is not all that.Ive switched them in and out several times a night for several nights only to go back to my 5500.
Hi BW. Sorry about our past *ahem* discussion. You are a good guy. I just let off some steam every now and then.
I'm kinda like a teapot. (did I just say that?)
Anyway ...... Well hell yeah I want that 64MB Radeon VIVO, but I'm not sure I can afford it. So from what you are saying, I gather you mean that if choice #1 (64MB Radeon VIVO) is too expensive for me, you would recommend the V5 as choice #2 ahead of the smaller version of the Rad??
I'm kinda like a teapot. (did I just say that?)
Anyway ...... Well hell yeah I want that 64MB Radeon VIVO, but I'm not sure I can afford it. So from what you are saying, I gather you mean that if choice #1 (64MB Radeon VIVO) is too expensive for me, you would recommend the V5 as choice #2 ahead of the smaller version of the Rad??
yea i let off steam alot also.Anyway on my system the 32 meg radeon was slower in d3d than my 5500. I dont have a 64 meg radeon so i dont know about it. I hear its alot faster than the 32 megger though.The color on the Radeon is more intense it seems.
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Sudheer Anne, just go ahead! u wont be regret, i just swicth my v7700 with voodoo5 2 week ago, and i feel worth here!
Hmmm... now that I think about it, all the guys I know with Radeons do have the 64MB version and it kicks ass. I guess I really havent played on the 32MB version yet.
Hey BW, answer a couple questions. What resolution are you normally playing at? How high can that V5 go while still playable and smooth for most games? Do you play a pretty good variety of different games? And since the V5 is the only one of the Big 3 without T&L, what is your opinion on that? Since not many games support it, and as long as my CPU is fast (for ones that do) I should probably not worry about it huh?
Hey BW, answer a couple questions. What resolution are you normally playing at? How high can that V5 go while still playable and smooth for most games? Do you play a pretty good variety of different games? And since the V5 is the only one of the Big 3 without T&L, what is your opinion on that? Since not many games support it, and as long as my CPU is fast (for ones that do) I should probably not worry about it huh?
If you have any of the current gen cards(Radeon, GTS, V5), why switch now?
Just wait for the NV20 and Rampage.
And Dave, I think maybe in this particular case, when recomending someone to purchase a 3dfx product, ti would be approopriate to enlighten that person that you do work for them?
Just wait for the NV20 and Rampage.
And Dave, I think maybe in this particular case, when recomending someone to purchase a 3dfx product, ti would be approopriate to enlighten that person that you do work for them?
well, i'm thinking that i could switch because it wont cost me any money and it will actually put me up about 30 bucks. If and when i get the voodoo 5, what do i need to download. I hear all this stuff about wicked gl and the 1.04 drivers. What should i dl?
I assumed he knew.. everyone else does. But the fact still stands, that is what I use. And it was honestly the same way before I worked here.
As for the V5, it totally depends on the app. Homeworld, for example, I play at 10x7 with 4x AA. You can play stuff like Q3 at 1280x1024 typically (depends on what you demand out of frame-rate). It is pretty quick though all around.
But the fact still stands, that is what I use. And it was honestly the same way before I worked here.As for the V5, it totally depends on the app. Homeworld, for example, I play at 10x7 with 4x AA. You can play stuff like Q3 at 1280x1024 typically (depends on what you demand out of frame-rate). It is pretty quick though all around.
agreed
the 5500 doesn't have the benchmarking speed that the GTS has in most games, but it seems to hold the framerates to a completely acceptable level
one of the things that I noticed which I found itneresting is that the 5500 may not bench 'as high', but it doesn't drop low at all.
When I had both and was testing, I made a quake3 demo on Q3tourney4, the most 'graphically intensive' map out of the basic quake3 maps. Now, this was with slightly earlier drivers, so the 5500 was supposedly WAY behind the GTS at the time.
Anyway, it was my own version of crusher.dm2 for quake3. It had 10 bots and me (on god mode with all weapons and unlimited ammo, hehe....) , and it was a basic slaughter-fest (heh...). Constant action, never had less than 2 or 3 bots on the screen, usually had at least 5 bots.
Anyway, I benchmarked that demo of mine with both the GTS and the 5500, and they were only a few fps apart. By that, I mean 2 or 3, depending upon the resolution and settings (1024 and up only)
So that tells you that benchmarks don't tell the whole story. The 5500 doesn't have the "top speed" that the GTS does. that's apparent in low resolution testing. However, it doesn't drop any lower than the GTS does in high-intensity situations, and realistically speaking, that's the only time you CARE about your fps, is when it negatively affects your gameplay.
The 5500 holds up very well when you do actual, realistic testing, rather than just generic demo benchmarking
the 5500 doesn't have the benchmarking speed that the GTS has in most games, but it seems to hold the framerates to a completely acceptable level
one of the things that I noticed which I found itneresting is that the 5500 may not bench 'as high', but it doesn't drop low at all.
When I had both and was testing, I made a quake3 demo on Q3tourney4, the most 'graphically intensive' map out of the basic quake3 maps. Now, this was with slightly earlier drivers, so the 5500 was supposedly WAY behind the GTS at the time.
Anyway, it was my own version of crusher.dm2 for quake3. It had 10 bots and me (on god mode with all weapons and unlimited ammo, hehe....) , and it was a basic slaughter-fest (heh...). Constant action, never had less than 2 or 3 bots on the screen, usually had at least 5 bots.
Anyway, I benchmarked that demo of mine with both the GTS and the 5500, and they were only a few fps apart. By that, I mean 2 or 3, depending upon the resolution and settings (1024 and up only)
So that tells you that benchmarks don't tell the whole story. The 5500 doesn't have the "top speed" that the GTS does. that's apparent in low resolution testing. However, it doesn't drop any lower than the GTS does in high-intensity situations, and realistically speaking, that's the only time you CARE about your fps, is when it negatively affects your gameplay.
The 5500 holds up very well when you do actual, realistic testing, rather than just generic demo benchmarking
Sudheer Anne,
I went back to GF2GTS because I couldn't stand the studder and jerkiness of the ATI AIW Radeon in D3D games. I know it may have to do with it only being 32MB but seeing as how my older Asus v7700 didn't experience this problem and also being 32MB, it left me feeling really disappointed. Also, a lot of my D3D games experienced problems. Frame rate is only important to me if it caused jittery or jerkiness while playing. If I can't tell the difference, then it doesn't matter but I did. The only way to get rid of the jerkiness was for me to enable HyperZ in D3D (which is disabled by default) but that opened another can of worms with my D3D games. With the multimedia features of the ATI AIW Radeon, I was really happy. With the gaming performance and overall driver stability I was o.k. with. Much better than their previous drivers but not at the level of NVIDIA. 2D, well I run at 1280x1024 so it is hardly noticable (on a Sony G400 19" monitor).
I went back to GF2GTS because I couldn't stand the studder and jerkiness of the ATI AIW Radeon in D3D games. I know it may have to do with it only being 32MB but seeing as how my older Asus v7700 didn't experience this problem and also being 32MB, it left me feeling really disappointed. Also, a lot of my D3D games experienced problems. Frame rate is only important to me if it caused jittery or jerkiness while playing. If I can't tell the difference, then it doesn't matter but I did. The only way to get rid of the jerkiness was for me to enable HyperZ in D3D (which is disabled by default) but that opened another can of worms with my D3D games. With the multimedia features of the ATI AIW Radeon, I was really happy. With the gaming performance and overall driver stability I was o.k. with. Much better than their previous drivers but not at the level of NVIDIA. 2D, well I run at 1280x1024 so it is hardly noticable (on a Sony G400 19" monitor).
I usually play my games at 1024x768. I really cant answer the second question well.It depends on if you use fsaa 2x or4x, lod and what game it is.Alot of peaple tell me whhen playing NFS PU that they run 4xfsaa @ 1024x768 with a slower cpu than mine. I tell you i cant.Oh it will do it but painfully slow. I always run in 1024 and when i use fsaa i only use 2x. Not haveing the t&l unit doesnt bother me. I did at first thats why i have the radeon and a mx even had a gts for about 4 days.After seeing the performance I went back to the 5500.I wouldve kept the gts but i had problems with my setup.
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