I am really getting sick of the rampant cheating....

Rand

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This is getting sickening.
First we have ATi's Quake 3 fiasco, then comes nVidia with their 3DMark 2003 cheats and to a lesser degree ATi.
Then Digit-Life shows nVidia cheating in 3DM2001 as well, and again to a lesser degree ATi.
Now it seems nVidia forcefully disables trilinear filtering in UT2003 regardless of in-game/driver settings.

For christ sakes, soon enough we will be questioning all benchmarks.
It's sad that sites like Beyond3D/FiringSquad have had to devise their own benchmark demos, along with the typically used ones to help ward off cheating.

While nVidia seems to be at the fore-front of this, ATi isnt wholly innocent themselves.
Even if the cheating doesnt come as much of a shock, the confirmation and apparent wide-spread basis in which it's used is less then impressive.

At this rate soon enough we won't be able to discuss which graphics cards are superior, it'll be more realistically a discussion over whom is the most innovative in finding new ways to cheat.

I've never put much faith in the morals of almost any corporation in the IT industry, even outside of the consumer graphics segment of the market but at least elsewhere we arent forced to question the validity of damn near everything we see.

:disgust:


(Yes I realize some of these cheats are debateable, specifically ATi's 3DM2003/Q3A issues.... but that aside it really is becoming sickening)
 

jjyiz28

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ati is the lesser evil of the two, so i'd go for ati. gamepc has a review of 9800 and 5900, using uncommon games, which means nvidia didn't have time to optimize the time demos just yet and it shows, nvidia cards lose out big in uncommon benchmarks, instead of very common time demos like quake, UT, etc.. which no doubt cheated on
 

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Originally posted by: jjyiz28
ati is the lesser evil of the two, so i'd go for ati. gamepc has a review of 9800 and 5900, using uncommon games, which means nvidia didn't have time to optimize the time demos just yet and it shows, nvidia cards lose out big in uncommon benchmarks, instead of very common time demos like quake, UT, etc.. which no doubt cheated on

so your saying lighting and transformation(nvidia) is more important than texturing(ati)??! plz add an "i think" to that post
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: nick1985
really...

Of course not, why should anyone care?
After all, we're not really interested in how the boards perform, nor are we interested in seeing features properly utilized.
We're content with less image quality, and having preciousm little idea of how boards perform in the real world!
:frown:
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: stardust
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
ati is the lesser evil of the two, so i'd go for ati. gamepc has a review of 9800 and 5900, using uncommon games, which means nvidia didn't have time to optimize the time demos just yet and it shows, nvidia cards lose out big in uncommon benchmarks, instead of very common time demos like quake, UT, etc.. which no doubt cheated on

so your saying lighting and transformation(nvidia) is more important than texturing(ati)??! plz add an "i think" to that post

Why do you associate T&L with nVidia, and texturing with ATi?
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
for those of you that think ati and nvidia's cheating is wrong, join us

Matrox has cheated in the past FWIW. Whether their cheating now I've no idea though I'm certain they are to some degree.
 

jjyiz28

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Originally posted by: stardust
Originally posted by: jjyiz28
ati is the lesser evil of the two, so i'd go for ati. gamepc has a review of 9800 and 5900, using uncommon games, which means nvidia didn't have time to optimize the time demos just yet and it shows, nvidia cards lose out big in uncommon benchmarks, instead of very common time demos like quake, UT, etc.. which no doubt cheated on

so your saying lighting and transformation(nvidia) is more important than texturing(ati)??! plz add an "i think" to that post

sorry, i don't quite understand what you're getting at. are you implying nvidia cheats at t&l while ati cheats in texturing?

 

Rand

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sorry, i don't quite understand what you're getting at. are you implying nvidia cheats at t&l while ati cheats in texturing?

I've seen a few examples of cheating in both respects by both manufacturers.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: Rand
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
for those of you that think ati and nvidia's cheating is wrong, join us

Matrox has cheated in the past FWIW. Whether their cheating now I've no idea though I'm certain they are to some degree.

cant be too much cheating with the scores i see the parhelia getting in the benchies;)
 

Rand

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: Rand
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
for those of you that think ati and nvidia's cheating is wrong, join us

Matrox has cheated in the past FWIW. Whether their cheating now I've no idea though I'm certain they are to some degree.

cant be too much cheating with the scores i see the parhelia getting in the benchies;)

Like I said, I've no idea whether they still do so.
I can merely remember the one instance back in the late 90's.

On a side note, I've been relatively pleased with the performance improvements in Matrox's more recent drivers for the Parhelia.
 

Schadenfroh

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i would like to see some benchies with matrox's latest drivers. the only ones i have seen were with the old ones.