I am proud to be an American.

fuzzybabybunny

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It's hard to truly appreciate something unless one has experienced something inferior. The same can be said for governments.

I'm of Chinese ethnicity. When I left the USA 4 months ago to visit China I thought that the USA was just an incredibly average country. We have massive problems that seem infuriatingly unfix-able, and I was jaded with it all. After spending 4 months in China, and after reflecting back on the founding principles of the country, I only have this to say.

We must never stop fighting for the ideals of the USA.

1. We have such a good thing going. Our founding fathers were utterly selfless in their establishment of our nation. They truly did their best to create a nation of the people, FOR the people. NOT for themselves.

2. They voluntarily established terms limits, essentially making themselves jobless after a certain period of time.

3. They allowed the people to vote for who will be in power at a time when the country was weak and they could have easily taken power for themselves.

4. They were adamant that no one part of government can ever have too much power, so they set up a system of checks and balances, limiting their own powers.

5. They made us into a society of laws, where no one is above society's laws but everyone has the right to a trial and legal representation.

6. They gave us the right to say anything we want, print whatever we want, assemble how we want, practice whatever religion we want, and to petition the government for changes. They ingrained in us the spirit of "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

7. They gave us arms so that we could defend ourselves and ultimately protect ourselves from the very government they were establishing, should it ever come to it.

8. They humbly understood that they could not foresee all future circumstances, so they established a system where the people have all the power to evolve and amend their life's work with the times. The onus is on We the People to make the USA into what we envision it to be.

The result? There are *cooking pots* in China older than the entirety of the USA, yet in 200-some years we have managed to accomplish more than what China has done in thousands.

In comparison, China's government has NONE of the 8 characteristics that I have outlined above. They may say they have some of the above, but the central "People's" government routinely flies in the face of their own constitution. The internet is censored and speech is completely monitored by the government. The government abducts people from their homes without trial. The government sends people to "re-education" labor camps for exercising free speech that they don't condone. Capitalism has been allowed to run amok. All the wealth is concentrated in the government because government jobs are the highest paying jobs (both in terms of salary and copious "side income") meaning everyone wants to work for the government. The government owns the military. The people have no tools to defend themselves. If the government gets a whiff of people banding together to stage a protest, they will squash it in the bud in the name of harmony.

We have many, many problems, sure. But let us reflect on our roots, or, if your roots are not of this country, like many of us in the Great Melting Pot are, reflect on what the United States stands for and its history. This country came from such a solid, selfless foundation and the systems are still in place to keep it that way.

I am proud to hold the ideals of the United States near and dear to me. My parents may not have arrived on a ship past Ellis Island, but they were absolutely "[the] tired, [the] poor, [the] huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of [China's] teeming shore." One of their first jobs in this country was collecting cans together on the street to redeem for their recycling value while taking care of a 3 year old. Now my mom owns a successful business and my father is head engineer at a multinational plastics firm started by a Hungarian immigrant.

When people here ask me if I consider myself Chinese or American, I reply "American" without pause. I would have never said this 4 months ago, but today I can say, with not a single shred of blind devotion, that I am proud to be an American, and hold nothing but gratitude for you all who share the same ideals, regardless of nationality, country, race, creed, and sex.
 

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I was going to say "good post, but watch out for those who will demonize you.", but I see someone's already beaten me to the warning.
 

irishScott

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Necessary? o_O

He's a brony. Which means a 99% probability that he's angry at the world. So he makes angry posts on internet forums with little plastic pony figurines on top of his monitor (I'm not kidding, he posted pics). Pay it no mind.


OP: We need more people like you. It's a shame idealists are the minority.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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You should try learning them, since you really don't understand the first thing about the founding fathers.

Grow up.

I could say the same about you. In fact, I will. Because you give nothing to back up your point.

Grow up.
 

CFP

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lol too bad "Americans" don't, and never will see you as one of "them".

You will always be an other. Even on this forum, in this thread, the first reply was to other you.
 

boomerang

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It's hard to truly appreciate something unless one has experienced something inferior. The same can be said for governments.

I'm of Chinese ethnicity. When I left the USA 4 months ago to visit China I thought that the USA was just an incredibly average country. We have massive problems that seem infuriatingly unfix-able, and I was jaded with it all. After spending 4 months in China, and after reflecting back on the founding principles of the country, I only have this to say.

We must never stop fighting for the ideals of the USA.

1. We have such a good thing going. Our founding fathers were utterly selfless in their establishment of our nation. They truly did their best to create a nation of the people, FOR the people. NOT for themselves.

2. They voluntarily established terms limits, essentially making themselves jobless after a certain period of time.

3. They allowed the people to vote for who will be in power at a time when the country was weak and they could have easily taken power for themselves.

4. They were adamant that no one part of government can ever have too much power, so they set up a system of checks and balances, limiting their own powers.

5. They made us into a society of laws, where no one is above society's laws but everyone has the right to a trial and legal representation.

6. They gave us the right to say anything we want, print whatever we want, assemble how we want, practice whatever religion we want, and to petition the government for changes. They ingrained in us the spirit of "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

7. They gave us arms so that we could defend ourselves and ultimately protect ourselves from the very government they were establishing, should it ever come to it.

8. They humbly understood that they could not foresee all future circumstances, so they established a system where the people have all the power to evolve and amend their life's work with the times. The onus is on We the People to make the USA into what we envision it to be.

The result? There are *cooking pots* in China older than the entirety of the USA, yet in 200-some years we have managed to accomplish more than what China has done in thousands.

In comparison, China's government has NONE of the 8 characteristics that I have outlined above. They may say they have some of the above, but the central "People's" government routinely flies in the face of their own constitution. The internet is censored and speech is completely monitored by the government. The government abducts people from their homes without trial. The government sends people to "re-education" labor camps for exercising free speech that they don't condone. Capitalism has been allowed to run amok. All the wealth is concentrated in the government because government jobs are the highest paying jobs (both in terms of salary and copious "side income") meaning everyone wants to work for the government. The government owns the military. The people have no tools to defend themselves. If the government gets a whiff of people banding together to stage a protest, they will squash it in the bud in the name of harmony.

We have many, many problems, sure. But let us reflect on our roots, or, if your roots are not of this country, like many of us in the Great Melting Pot are, reflect on what the United States stands for and its history. This country came from such a solid, selfless foundation and the systems are still in place to keep it that way.

I am proud to hold the ideals of the United States near and dear to me. My parents may not have arrived on a ship past Ellis Island, but they were absolutely "[the] tired, [the] poor, [the] huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of [China's] teeming shore." One of their first jobs in this country was collecting cans together on the street to redeem for their recycling value while taking care of a 3 year old. Now my mom owns a successful business and my father is head engineer at a multinational plastics firm started by a Hungarian immigrant.

When people here ask me if I consider myself Chinese or American, I reply "American" without pause. I would have never said this 4 months ago, but today I can say, with not a single shred of blind devotion, that I am proud to be an American, and hold nothing but gratitude for you all who share the same ideals, regardless of nationality, country, race, creed, and sex.
Thank you for your post. I am very happy to have read your post and I find your words very encouraging in these dark times we are living in. Please know that you and your family are very welcome here.

Unfortunately, your post will create a swirl of controversy. You've already seen it from one of our many malcontents. The sentiments expressed by DS will intensify. Too many were taught that our nation is bad. That we are the aggressors, the colonialists, the enslavers, etc. It's what they were taught - their brainwashing was a complete success. They were taught only the bad, not the good. They are now hell-bent on changing the nation into something that fits the illusion of perfection that was programmed into them. They're winning. We'll all lose before it's over.

Your family members are quite obviously educated and intelligent. When your parents tell you it's time to leave this country to find a new one, listen to them and go. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.
 

dmcowen674

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The internet is censored and speech is completely monitored by the government.

The government abducts people from their homes without trial.

The government sends people to "re-education" labor camps for exercising free speech that they don't condone.

Capitalism has been allowed to run amok.

All the wealth is concentrated in the government because government jobs are the highest paying jobs (both in terms of salary and copious "side income") meaning everyone wants to work for the government. The government owns the military. The people have no tools to defend themselves. If the government gets a whiff of people banding together to stage a protest, they will squash it in the bud in the name of harmony.

The U.S. is heading the same direction on all of your points above especially all the wealth is concentrated in the Government/Corporations
 

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I'm with OP.. Personally I think all the haters that hate to hate and think these other countries are so much better should just move there already.

Like you said we have our problems and a lot of them, but most people just like to hate because it's the cool thing to do these days (and that just doesn't apply to the country either).
 

dmcowen674

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i'm with op.. Personally i think all the haters that hate to hate and think these other countries are so much better should just move there already.

Like you said we have our problems and a lot of them, but most people just like to hate because it's the cool thing to do these days (and that just doesn't apply to the country either).

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PricklyPete

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lol too bad "Americans" don't, and never will see you as one of "them".

You will always be an other. Even on this forum, in this thread, the first reply was to other you.

That could not be farther from the truth. We are a nation of immigrants. If you think the US sticks out as being a particularly racial nation, you need to get out and travel. I was amazed at the overtly racial people I met all over Europe while working there
 

fuzzybabybunny

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The U.S. is heading the same direction on all of your points above especially all the wealth is concentrated in the Government/Corporations

Yeah. This is what I see as well, which goes back to my main point in the OP. We have such a good thing going. We can't let it devolve into something like China, or even remotely close to China.
 

PricklyPete

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Good post by the way OP. while this country is FAR from perfect with some really negative trends over the last 100 years, it is still one of the best, if not the best, places to live in this world. Too many of us take that for granted and are letting it slip away. I really hope we are able to reverse the trends and keep this a place we can be proud of for our children's sake.
 

rudder

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lol too bad "Americans" don't, and never will see you as one of "them".

You will always be an other. Even on this forum, in this thread, the first reply was to other you.

You have done enough research on this that you are able to be the voice of America? Please provide a link to where you were published... I would love to read it.
 

Retro Rob

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Exuse me for not embracing the same patriotism/nationalism, but I am not proud to be an American as much as I am proud to be a human, and one in good-health, and alive and well today thus far. Many American don't make it that far....

I am, however, greatful and fortunate to live in a place like this where we can enjoy Freedoms that are not allowed in other countries, and where we can actually speak out without the thread of censorship or death for speaking out.


:)
 

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I was going to say "good post, but watch out for those who will demonize you.", but I see someone's already beaten me to the warning.

Pick up the pace. Need to beat those demons to the punch!
 

ShintaiDK

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I dont think any other industrialized nation got over 20% of its population in poverty. Not to mention all the other parts like going hungry to bed because they cant afford food. I always combined hunger with africa, now I need to combine it with the US as well. Maybe we can send you some foreign aid?
 
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CFP

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That could not be farther from the truth. We are a nation of immigrants. If you think the US sticks out as being a particularly racial nation, you need to get out and travel. I was amazed at the overtly racial people I met all over Europe while working there

Europe is a rather nasty place, I agree, when it comes to racial politics.

With that said, are you seriously going to disagree with me on the fact that a (minority) Chinese American is not viewed by (majority of) (majority (see: Anglo)) Americans to be an "other", or some form of it?

If so, then you need to get some perspective. And on your own country, too! Perhaps less critical eyes outward, and more inward, is in order. Or at the very least, a balanced eye. I'm not sure how, though. Perhaps Moonbeam will be along to offer you some weird advice. Or me.

You have done enough research on this that you are able to be the voice of America? Please provide a link to where you were published... I would love to read it.

And yours?

Oh wait, you have to be a professional basketball player to know when a professional basketball player plays (professional!) basketball poorly.

Logic!
 
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rudder

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I dont think any other industrialized nation got over 20% of its population in poverty. Not to mention all the other parts like going hungry to bed because they cant afford food. I always combined hunger with africa, now I need to combine it with the US as well. Maybe we can send you some foreign aid?

Have your country start growing more wheat so you can ship it off to all the third world countries the United States currently sends food aid to. Maybe we would have enough to feed our own population.

But really not that there is mass starvation.. despite what your read on your interwebs. No need to be a condescending prick and make light of the suffering in Africa.
 

Jaskalas

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Yeah. This is what I see as well, which goes back to my main point in the OP. We have such a good thing going. We can't let it devolve into something like China, or even remotely close to China.

I'm afraid that outcome has already been decided.

This country, IMO, is poised to implode on itself financially due to the pyramid schemes that we use to temporally boost our welfare and standard of living. Those things cannot continue to exist as they currently do - and the people are likely to riot when real cuts begin. That civil unrest will topple our government and our founding principles, already discarded for convenience, will cease to exist even in the imaginations of the survivors.

I see a dog eat dog world ahead and it'll be up to us to hold onto our principles, even after the majority of the nation has turned to Mad Max. Finical collapse would be the most difficult thing America has ever faced, worse than any war.


Maybe you don't understand or appreciate pyramid schemes. Maybe this party lasts forever.... In that case the endurance of our founding principles is challenged another way. I present to you option #2, the necessary and proper clause.

See, a major movement in this country has gutted our constitution down to a single phrase: "Everything necessary and proper for the general welfare". The concept of limited government with specific enumerated powers has already been abolished. Ask the.. ahem.. gentlemen in Washington DC what powers they do not have, ask them what actions they cannot take, what they cannot do to the American people. These men will be utterly stumped. It is their belief that their power is limitless.

The President specifically laments the Bill of Rights as wrong to "limit what government can do to you". He wants it to be a list of "things government does for you". Do you see the contrast? The danger?

America's government has grown centralized, become self aware, and decided for itself that it is omnipotently all powerful, without limits, without rules. We are, thus, no longer a Constitutional Republic. They only pretend we are a while longer. Play that little song and dance to keep us busy while we all become more comfortable with the services they provide for us. We've only surrendered everything in exchange for food.

So to conclude... I view our present situation as a disaster... and it's not going to last anyway. As the Chinese would say, we live in interesting times.
 
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dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by dmcowen674
The U.S. is heading the same direction on all of your points above especially all the wealth is concentrated in the Government/Corporations


Yeah. This is what I see as well, which goes back to my main point in the OP. We have such a good thing going. We can't let it devolve into something like China, or even remotely close to China.

Glad you see it.

My posts are not for naught :thumbsup: