I am now convinced that there is no God

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: halik
thought im not particularily religious,
i do belive everythign happens for a reason. All the negative stuff in my life (more than i'm willing to share) so far ended up making sense afterward. I'm still waiting to find out why my grandpa lost his fight to cancer, but im sure ill get it in due time.

As for your grandma, im sure it takes a lot of strength on her part to deal with her situation. I'm sure something will happen in your life that will make sense of it

Definitely. Everyone(donzens and dozens of fmaily) respects my ass now for what I did. If not for youself or for her...do it to show people the power of humility.....that it can make a dying person laugh out loud.

 

[optoman]

This is where I believe you are wrong... God does dictate our lives. Did he tell them to blow up the trade center? I doubt it. We are born with free will and thus are made that way. If God wanted to run our lives like you say, then why doesn't he just force you to believe in him?

How can he dictate but not tell us what to do?

Some people have more tragic lives than others and somehow they all carry on. If you have read the Bible and know of the story of Job then you will understand how God works through these things... He didn't cause Job's problems, but he was there with him and helped Job to overcome the problem. Why did Job's family have to die just for him to be proven a point? It is because sin is in the world and these things happen.

Not all people carry on. Some commit suicide and end it right there.

 

[Stojakapimp]

did you bother looking at that link?

 

[optoman]

ah...my grandmother IS dying unfortunuately..been in the emergency room for months....

had a variety of ulcer's ...heart surgery ...some strokes(no paralizsis because it was caught early) and was near death about a month ago...she's about the same age as your grandma ....a few over 80

My heart goes out to you and your grandmother.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

Not all people carry on. Some commit suicide and end it right there.

A true waste in my opinion....honestly you fing screwed no matter what you do. Might as well try a frappaccino while your alive..might as well get a job so you can afford to drive and appreicate a s-class AMG....it goes on.


Life is an exploration of the good and bad of existance. Those who leave early because they are fing pussies get no respect from me.

EDIT: I will however bend over backwords for those you are tyring.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: optoman

This is where I believe you are wrong... God does dictate our lives. Did he tell them to blow up the trade center? I doubt it. We are born with free will and thus are made that way. If God wanted to run our lives like you say, then why doesn't he just force you to believe in him?

How can he dictate but not tell us what to do?

Some people have more tragic lives than others and somehow they all carry on. If you have read the Bible and know of the story of Job then you will understand how God works through these things... He didn't cause Job's problems, but he was there with him and helped Job to overcome the problem. Why did Job's family have to die just for him to be proven a point? It is because sin is in the world and these things happen.

Not all people carry on. Some commit suicide and end it right there.

Woops, my bad. That first part should be "does not". Guess I should proofread first....

Again, the suicide part... that is where free will comes in. God isn't going to stop you from killing yourself or other people committing terrible deeds like 9-11. If he did, then coming to him would not be a choice.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
did you bother looking at that link?

I looked at the link and skimmed through most of it. Right now I don't believe a word of it. I go to church and watch everyone pray to this all mighty and powerful as my grandmother is in agony. Some say God doesn't control what happens on Earth and things like that. Why not? Why can't he make it a utopia for all of us? The 4 year old boy I mentioned above probably won't make it to his fifth b-day. Any God that can be that cruel to let that happen is a God I don't believe in.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

ah...my grandmother IS dying unfortunuately..been in the emergency room for months....

had a variety of ulcer's ...heart surgery ...some strokes(no paralizsis because it was caught early) and was near death about a month ago...she's about the same age as your grandma ....a few over 80

My heart goes out to you and your grandmother.

Thanks.


Remember. THEY KNOW they are going to dye. THey don't want you reminding you. They want to see in you want they used to have at your age.

From the "OH SH!T" you yell out when being chased by a fist-sized Hornet to the first time you kissed a girl.

Talk about your day. Fill their minds with the everyday stupidities which you are dealign with.

 

[chowderhead]

I hope your grandmother finds peace. The end results of strokes are devastating on the person and on their families. I would not wish this type of suffering on anyone.

Regarding god, I am in agreement with you optoman.
The concept for god allows people to have it both ways.
Anytime something good happens - all praise goes to god.
Anytime something bad happens - well don't blame god, he works in mysterious ways or it was satan.
It's a crude analogy but it's
my 2 cents.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
did you bother looking at that link?

I looked at the link and skimmed through most of it. Right now I don't believe a word of it. I go to church and watch everyone pray to this all mighty and powerful as my grandmother is in agony. Some say God doesn't control what happens on Earth and things like that. Why not? Why can't he make it a utopia for all of us? The 4 year old boy I mentioned above probably won't make it to his fifth b-day. Any God that can be that cruel to let that happen is a God I don't believe in.

Honestly my belief in god is very weak. Either way, I am trying my best to at least succeed in life through the most humble method possible.


I want to be an engineer so I can always be busy. I want to donate blood every 56 days. I want to work in a soup kitchen when i have some free time some day. I want to bike for all those aid races. I want to participate in those aid walks. I want ...

In the end you realize how much good you will not do. (read that carefully)


I do give blood every 56 days. I give platelests every two weeks. I am going bald because I will not take propecia just yet as it will prevent me from donating. Appearantly that saves 5 lives everytime i do it.


Do at least one of the many things you will not get to do.....the ndo another..and another.



If...and it saddens me to say 'if'....there is a god, he knows how good in heart I am but that I promise way more than I do. I hope to keep doing good things whether it is for my eternal salvation or jsut so a sick kid can have a chance to play ball with his old man as I never did.

 

[Stojakapimp]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
did you bother looking at that link?

I looked at the link and skimmed through most of it. Right now I don't believe a word of it. I go to church and watch everyone pray to this all mighty and powerful as my grandmother is in agony. Some say God doesn't control what happens on Earth and things like that. Why not? Why can't he make it a utopia for all of us? The 4 year old boy I mentioned above probably won't make it to his fifth b-day. Any God that can be that cruel to let that happen is a God I don't believe in.

Honestly my belief in god is very weak. Either way, I am trying my best to at least succeed in life through the most humble method possible.


I want to be an engineer so I can always be busy. I want to donate blood every 56 days. I want to work in a soup kitchen when i have some free time some day. I want to bike for all those aid races. I want to participate in those aid walks. I want ...

In the end you realize how much good you will not do. (read that carefully)


I do give blood every 56 days. I give platelests every two weeks. I am going bald because I will not take propecia just yet as it will prevent me from donating. Appearantly that saves 5 lives everytime i do it.


Do at least one of the many things you will not get to do.....the ndo another..and another.



If...and it saddens me to say 'if'....there is a god, he knows how good in heart I am but that I promise way more than I do. I hope to keep doing good things whether it is for my eternal salvation or jsut so a sick kid can have a chance to play ball with his old man as I never did.

So you're saying that God might think that you have a good heart because there were lots of things you did not do? That is a very humble way to look at it, but also very negative. I hope you realize that by what you're doing, you are helping out society probably 100 times more than any other person. Try not to be so pessimistic about it. Indeed humility is a great virtue, but to use it as a tool to distance yourself from God is greatly troubling.

 

[Nocturnal]

There are reasons for everything. Almost EVERYONE at one point in their life when things aren't going well or when someone they love dearly gets hurt or dies questions God. They question why he would let such painful things happen. I don't have an answer for you but I know that God does things for a reason. Just know that your grandma will be taken cared of. She loves the lord and she knows what the lord has in store for her. Once she makes that final trek to the heavens she will no longer suffer. She will feel like she is 18 years old again. She'll be able to run with the wind, do whatever she may please in heaven. Believe me God has reasons for everything even if it hurts you. I'll pray for your grandma. God never gives things that people can't handle. He'll never over-burden anyone with things that he knows they won't be able to handle. He has something in store for your grandma and she will be ok. God bless you.

Also, remember, God gave his ONLY son for our sins. He gave his ONLY son for us. Like someone said earlier, your granda has such great will power to keep the faith even though so much bad has happend to her. She will be in heaven my friend. She will make it to where there is no more hurt, sorrow, pain, she'll be A-OK! Just like someone said earlier, make her life happy, make her laugh, make her smile, do what you can while she is still here.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: Stojakapimp
did you bother looking at that link?

I looked at the link and skimmed through most of it. Right now I don't believe a word of it. I go to church and watch everyone pray to this all mighty and powerful as my grandmother is in agony. Some say God doesn't control what happens on Earth and things like that. Why not? Why can't he make it a utopia for all of us? The 4 year old boy I mentioned above probably won't make it to his fifth b-day. Any God that can be that cruel to let that happen is a God I don't believe in.

Honestly my belief in god is very weak. Either way, I am trying my best to at least succeed in life through the most humble method possible.


I want to be an engineer so I can always be busy. I want to donate blood every 56 days. I want to work in a soup kitchen when i have some free time some day. I want to bike for all those aid races. I want to participate in those aid walks. I want ...

In the end you realize how much good you will not do. (read that carefully)


I do give blood every 56 days. I give platelests every two weeks. I am going bald because I will not take propecia just yet as it will prevent me from donating. Appearantly that saves 5 lives everytime i do it.


Do at least one of the many things you will not get to do.....the ndo another..and another.



If...and it saddens me to say 'if'....there is a god, he knows how good in heart I am but that I promise way more than I do. I hope to keep doing good things whether it is for my eternal salvation or jsut so a sick kid can have a chance to play ball with his old man as I never did.

So you're saying that God might think that you have a good heart because there were lots of things you did not do? That is a very humble way to look at it, but also very negative. I hope you realize that by what you're doing, you are helping out society probably 100 times more than any other person. Try not to be so pessimistic about it. Indeed humility is a great virtue, but to use it as a tool to distance yourself from God is greatly troubling.

"In the end you realize how much good you will not do. (read that carefully)"

I said read it carefully.😛 ...I did not say "In the end you realize how little you've done"

Basically, I am saying htat I realize that many things are beyond me. I will do what I can.

"Try not to be so pessimistic about it. Indeed humility is a great virtue, but to use it as a tool to distance yourself from God is greatly troubling"

You'd be surprised at home much people tell me that.

I had a childhood of induced disapointments....family was very caring but dad was very depressed all the time(parents divorced when i was 3)...

Since my dad was always a 'loser'..but always determinted to help people out despite his own dilemma.. I sort of got used to ffeling like him. HTe fact is that I redefine my limits everyday.

I think God wants me to be happy. I want to show him that I am not my dad. That I will become more than the bald-fools that compsose my family.


I don't know exactly how he feels regarding my lack of praising him, but I hope he realizes that I have learned much from his teachings, and that they are the basis for any decisons I make...ALWAYS.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
There are reasons for everything. Almost EVERYONE at one point in their life when things aren't going well or when someone they love dearly gets hurt or dies questions God. They question why he would let such painful things happen. I don't have an answer for you but I know that God does things for a reason. Just know that your grandma will be taken cared of. She loves the lord and she knows what the lord has in store for her. Once she makes that final trek to the heavens she will no longer suffer. She will feel like she is 18 years old again. She'll be able to run with the wind, do whatever she may please in heaven. Believe me God has reasons for everything even if it hurts you. I'll pray for your grandma. God never gives things that people can't handle. He'll never over-burden anyone with things that he knows they won't be able to handle. He has something in store for your grandma and she will be ok. God bless you.

Also, remember, God gave his ONLY son for our sins. He gave his ONLY son for us. Like someone said earlier, your granda has such great will power to keep the faith even though so much bad has happend to her. She will be in heaven my friend. She will make it to where there is no more hurt, sorrow, pain, she'll be A-OK! Just like someone said earlier, make her life happy, make her laugh, make her smile, do what you can while she is still here.

That's pretty idealistic, but then again I am "pessimistic"😀

I live not to reap rewards but to enjoy this opertunity. Rewards, if reaped, will be met by me with open arms, but not with expectance.

 

[ConantheBarbarian]

Originally posted by: optoman
My poor grandmother recently had her third stroke. This one has basically paralyzed the left side of her body and she can only eat food that is the consistancy of honey. She can't even drink water. She was a hard working woman who always thought she would get better after her second stroke at age ~65, she is now 82. She thought she might even return to work but it never happened. She continued to go to church until she couldn't walk anymore and then she had my mom take her whenever she had time. To this day my grandmother prays but God shows her no mercy. I cry just thinking about my loving grandmother and the hell she has gone through her whole life.

If there was a God he wouldn't be so cruel to her. My grandmother has basically regressed to an infant state and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Also, my wife is a nurse and there is a 4 year old boy on her floor who just underwent his second bone marrow transplant. If you don't know, they are very painful. Probably one of the most painful things you could have done to you short of torture. This little boy is not going to make it and has spent most of his life in the hospital. Where the f&sk is God with this one?

I hope every goes to heaven but everyday I believe less and less in God.

Edit: I am not trying to start a flame war, just trying to figure out what I believe.

Learn how to read arabic and read the Quran and read it to her, both of your hearts and eyes will be awaken and beg the Creator for forgiveness. The Creator is All Wise and All Knowing. PM for some good religious readings if you are interested.

 

[trek]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

but tortured her for 20+ years what kind of a sick fvck would do that?

 

[NesuD]

Happy for ya man. wonderful of you to share that.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: NesuD
Happy for ya man. wonderful of you to share that.

Wha..you want me to start talking about lalapalooza again?😛

 

[drum]

thats rough man. I guess you just have to hope there is something better waiting for her. i highly doubt there is anything that will change your mind about whether or not there is a God, especially anything anyone says here. my grandpa just died saturday so all i can do is hope for him. hasn't really hit me yet that he's gone. talk to her while you still can. keep telling her you love her and that shes beautiful. i'm sure that makes her feel better than any medication she takes

 

[Medea]

Don't be swayed by other peoples' religions. Right now, you're trying to formulate your own answers, and the first for you to determine is whether God exists or not.

That's the threshold question, and that's where you are right now. In conjunction with this is what type of God is it (if you determine s/he exists). Is s/he supposed to prevent bad things from happening to people? Or does s/he cause good things to happen, things which we don't even notice? Is s/he cruel to let little children and/or babies suffer instead of ending their pain? We're all going to die, so should a God allow all of us to live to a ripe old age with all of our physical and mental faculties present?

You can bounce a lot of this off of us here but, ultimately, you and only you are going to have to reach your bottom line.

 

[MichaelD]

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

Sorry, but I disagree with your typical religious line of thinking. Living crippled or like a vegetable isn't living by any sense of the word. I'd rather be dead.

My father is "alive." He's in a nursing home, waiting to die. He had a feeding tube implanted thru his stomach wall three years ago. He's basically a set of functioning organs inside a body.

He came down with Parkinson's AND Alzheimers. The docs said it's rare. WTF-ever. About 7 years ago, he started getting stiff; couldn't dress himself. Then he started forgetting names of things like "Salt shaker" "paper towel" etc. Then he forgot his kids' names, his wife's name and then his own name.

Then, he lost control of all his bodily functions. Having to follow a 60-something year old man around the house b/c he might urinate or defecate in his pants or on the floor is not fun.

Finally, we had to put him in a home b/c he couldn't move or even eat if you spoon fed him. He hasn't moved or said a word in years.

I'm not real close to my dad, but I am to my mom and seeing her watch her husband slowly rot away has honesty scarred me for life.

Is he alive? Hell no, he's not. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

FWIW.

 

[Jugernot]

Sorry to hear about your grandmother. As for a god out there.... if there is one... he is one cruel being. Letting child molesters, murders, rapists, etc. run around terrorizing the world.... what a way to be merciful to the people you "supposedly" made in your own image and care for.

 

[Willoughbyva]

I am sorry about your grandmother. My prayers are with you and your family.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: ConantheBarbarian

Originally posted by: optoman
My poor grandmother recently had her third stroke. This one has basically paralyzed the left side of her body and she can only eat food that is the consistancy of honey. She can't even drink water. She was a hard working woman who always thought she would get better after her second stroke at age ~65, she is now 82. She thought she might even return to work but it never happened. She continued to go to church until she couldn't walk anymore and then she had my mom take her whenever she had time. To this day my grandmother prays but God shows her no mercy. I cry just thinking about my loving grandmother and the hell she has gone through her whole life.

If there was a God he wouldn't be so cruel to her. My grandmother has basically regressed to an infant state and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Also, my wife is a nurse and there is a 4 year old boy on her floor who just underwent his second bone marrow transplant. If you don't know, they are very painful. Probably one of the most painful things you could have done to you short of torture. This little boy is not going to make it and has spent most of his life in the hospital. Where the f&sk is God with this one?

I hope every goes to heaven but everyday I believe less and less in God.

Edit: I am not trying to start a flame war, just trying to figure out what I believe.

Learn how to read arabic and read the Quran and read it to her, both of your hearts and eyes will be awaken and beg the Creator for forgiveness. The Creator is All Wise and All Knowing. PM for some good religious readings if you are interested.

Are you frigging serious?! That is a bunch of most pretentious BS I've ever heard. His grandmother got nothing better to do now then learn arabic

You people are something else

 

[yellowperil]

Sorry to hear about this optoman. I know the feeling you are going through. I was raised in a religious background but every time a family member or someone I felt close to died, I felt remorseful about God. Why would he allow so much unnecessary suffering? You learn about all the miracles that God performs, about how he saved people's lives, but some people live very hard lives and then they waste away and never recover. I haven't figured it out for myself but I hope your grandmother finds peace soon.