I am now convinced that there is no God

[optoman]

My poor grandmother recently had her third stroke. This one has basically paralyzed the left side of her body and she can only eat food that is the consistancy of honey. She can't even drink water. She was a hard working woman who always thought she would get better after her second stroke at age ~65, she is now 82. She thought she might even return to work but it never happened. She continued to go to church until she couldn't walk anymore and then she had my mom take her whenever she had time. To this day my grandmother prays but God shows her no mercy. I cry just thinking about my loving grandmother and the hell she has gone through her whole life.

If there was a God he wouldn't be so cruel to her. My grandmother has basically regressed to an infant state and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Also, my wife is a nurse and there is a 4 year old boy on her floor who just underwent his second bone marrow transplant. If you don't know, they are very painful. Probably one of the most painful things you could have done to you short of torture. This little boy is not going to make it and has spent most of his life in the hospital. Where the f&sk is God with this one?

I hope every goes to heaven but everyday I believe less and less in God.

Edit: I am not trying to start a flame war, just trying to figure out what I believe.

 

[theNEOone]

my condolensces go out to you and your family, i hope for better days to come....but i'm with you on your new revelation on god.



=|

 

[Radiohead]

Sorry to hear about your grandmother.

 

[amdskip]

This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

 

[Ryan]

I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother 🙁 Although I will not knock the existence of god (even though I'm an atheist), if you truly believe in your religion, there are usually answers for everything, not matter how sad they are.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

She has basically been house ridden since 65. She spent her whole life as an imigrant and went through hell trying to get over here during WWII with my grandfather, my mom and uncle. She has been beaten, stabbed, broken her hip and I couldn't even begin to think of what happened to her over in Germany during the war.

There is nothing worse than to what the ones you love just fall apart in front of your eyes. I hate to say it but I would employ the services of Jack Kevorkian if I could. My grandmother wants to die.

Thanks for the condolensces.

 

[Ameesh]

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

but tortured her for 20+ years what kind of a sick fvck would do that?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

She has basically been house ridden since 65. She spent her whole life as an imigrant and went through hell trying to get over here during WWII with my grandfather, my mom and uncle. She has been beaten, stabbed, broken her hip and I couldn't even begin to think of what happened to her over in Germany during the war.

There is nothing worse than to what the ones you love just fall apart in front of your eyes. I hate to say it but I would employ the services of Jack Kevorkian if I could. My grandmother wants to die.

Thanks for the condolensces.

🙁

 

[cpals]

I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother.

One thing to say though... God does not cause these things to happen, but he does not stop them from happening either. All pain will be gone when those who accept are in Heaven.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
I'm really sorry to hear about your grandmother 🙁 Although I will not knock the existence of god (even though I'm an atheist), if you truly believe in your religion, there are usually answers for everything, not matter how sad they are.

I am questioning my belief in God, not anyone else's. I have just seen to many good people get the shaft in their lives and I have seen the worst people have wonderful lives. Everything that I was taught about God in my religion is falling apart. I have more of a scientific approach to things so I think it makes it even harder to rationalize the exsistance of God. My grandmother believed her whole life that God would take care of her but he has failed misserably in my eyes. I don't want her to go but seeing her in the state she is makes my blood boil.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: cpals
I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother.

One thing to say though... God does not cause these things to happen, but he does not stop them from happening either. All pain will be gone when those who accept are in Heaven.

What good is God then? I am also losing my belief in heaven. I truely believe that when one dies, they live on in people's memories and stories. My grandfather died about 3 years ago and when my family gets together, we all laugh, cry and tell stories about him. I remember hearing stories from my grandparents about their parents and how they died fighting in the Russian revolution. If there is a heaven then I hope everyone goes there, but I don't see it.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: amdskip
This is just gonna be a flaming thread so I'll put down my .02. Not trying to piss you off but God let her live to at least 82 and you should be thankful for that. He could have ended her life earlier but he choose not too. Just enjoy what time you have left with her.

She has basically been house ridden since 65. She spent her whole life as an imigrant and went through hell trying to get over here during WWII with my grandfather, my mom and uncle. She has been beaten, stabbed, broken her hip and I couldn't even begin to think of what happened to her over in Germany during the war.

There is nothing worse than to what the ones you love just fall apart in front of your eyes. I hate to say it but I would employ the services of Jack Kevorkian if I could. My grandmother wants to die.

Thanks for the condolensces.

Make up for it yourself...

NEVER FCKING FROWN in front of HER. SERIOUSLY.

I'd rather be caught dead than frown in front of my dying grandmother ( she had a very close call a few weks ago..look me up if you want)


SERIOUSLY. LAUGH. JOKE. SIMILE UNTIL IT HURTS.

Make her at least have agood day.


I had my grandma laughing to tears when I visited. My gift to her.

She was in the emergency ward mind you:

in spanish: "Damn robes grama. Look, I get the suit..the pants...the shoes 'nice huh' and for what so these damn fools of doctors make me cover it all up. In case your wondering I am waring ___ shoes and that nice _ shirt..jsut imagine your lookig at it...😀"


"Ah man. This food they're giving you sucks. Seriously, you want a burritto...there's this guy in a white van outside selling Them for $1 id I buy them with a set of speakers"

Make her feel good. Unfortunately in your case you might not get a smile or a laugh, but do you best to entertain her."

 

[Stojakapimp]

Like cpals said, God does not make these things happen but doesn't always stop them either. The harsh reality is that some people are given more "better" lives than others. From a religious standpoint, though, what you do with what you're given is tremendous telling of character. You're grandmother is a remarkable woman, who despite her illnesses and shortcomings, has not given up her faith. When things are terribly bad, it would be so easy to just give up, but it must have taken her great will power to stay religious. So yes, it is very sad to see people suffer so harshly, but you should look at her as an inspiration.

I'm sorry that your grandmother has been so sick, but please don't see this as a means to disprove the existence of God

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: cpals
I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother.

One thing to say though... God does not cause these things to happen, but he does not stop them from happening either. All pain will be gone when those who accept are in Heaven.

What good is God then? I am also losing my belief in heaven. I truely believe that when one dies, they live on in people's memories and stories. My grandfather died about 3 years ago and when my family gets together, we all laugh, cry and tell stories about him. I remember hearing stories from my grandparents about their parents and how they died fighting in the Russian revolution. If there is a heaven then I hope everyone goes there, but I don't see it.

My faith has been waivering for quite a while....


Wheather you are christian jew muslim or a non-believer...keep one thing in mind.


The REALITY is that your life WILL involuntarily end someday. Make the most of it...for whatever reasons you can imagine

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: cpals
I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother.

One thing to say though... God does not cause these things to happen, but he does not stop them from happening either. All pain will be gone when those who accept are in Heaven.

What good is God then? I am also losing my belief in heaven. I truely believe that when one dies, they live on in people's memories and stories. My grandfather died about 3 years ago and when my family gets together, we all laugh, cry and tell stories about him. I remember hearing stories from my grandparents about their parents and how they died fighting in the Russian revolution. If there is a heaven then I hope everyone goes there, but I don't see it.

If you consider God to just be a great Santa Clause who is there only to give you whatever you want, then yes you might have this idea. There is sin in this world and thus death and pain.... I don't know how much you know from the Bible, but it's there. A lot of people in the Bible died horrible deaths and suffered for Jesus, but did God stop it? No. They still carried on, with the belief of better place after their death.

Again, I'm sorry about your grandmother and I'll stop before the post loses focus.

 

[optoman]

Goosemaster - I totally believe in what you just said. Everytime I see her, I give her a kiss and hug and call her beautiful. She is truelly beautiful. I do keep a smile on my face for as long as I am with her. I have done this since I was about 15, 28 now. My mom tells my brothers and I that she loves to see us. I send her flowers every so often just because.

It just tears me apart when I walk out of her house, now nursing home knowing she is in agony. A person shouldn't have to go through that. Life is cruel but my grandmother deserves a break.

<--Just really emotional right now

 

[xchangx]

I believe everything that God does to someone happens for a reason. Whether it's to bring something out of someone or to prove a point in one's life. I've been through a lot and I've got to say that I'm glad that everything bad that has happened in my life I feel happened for the good. (in the long run).

Have faith. What's the point if you're going to give up. Not everything in life will be easy and pain free.

Give your grandmother her best last days. Go to the hospital and talk to her as much as you can, tell her everything.

God bless.

 

[Stojakapimp]

This might be a good read

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman
Goosemaster - I totally believe in what you just said. Everytime I see her, I give her a kiss and hug and call her beautiful. She is truelly beautiful. I do keep a smile on my face for as long as I am with her. I have done this since I was about 15, 28 now. My mom tells my brothers and I that she loves to see us. I send her flowers every so often just because.

It just tears me apart when I walk out of her house, now nursing home knowing she is in agony. A person shouldn't have to go through that. Life is cruel but my grandmother deserves a break.

<--Just really emotional right now

I was the only person out of dozens that went to see her all the time that did not for a moment cry.

Act as if she isn't dying. The eldery constantly critique the young for their inexperience. It will give her something to do.


<---imagine me walking in the the emergency room with the required hospital room backwards and upside down with a tux underdeath and clearly visable while trying to keep a straight face.

I looked like a total dumbass. She laughed. Well worth it.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: xchangx
I believe everything that God does to someone happens for a reason. Whether it's to bring something out of someone or to prove a point in one's life. I've been through a lot and I've got to say that I'm glad that everything bad that has happened in my life I feel happened for the good. (in the long run).

Have faith. What's the point if you're going to give up. Not everything in life will be easy and pain free.

Give your grandmother her best last days. Go to the hospital and talk to her as much as you can, tell her everything.

God bless.

Why can't everything just happen? Why does God have to dictate what happens? Having 3 strokes and suffering for the past decade will all be good in the long run, ya right. My grandmother might live another 10 years sucking baby food and having someone wipe her ass for her. If God is trying to prove a point I would love to hear what it is.

 

[cpals]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: xchangx
I believe everything that God does to someone happens for a reason. Whether it's to bring something out of someone or to prove a point in one's life. I've been through a lot and I've got to say that I'm glad that everything bad that has happened in my life I feel happened for the good. (in the long run).

Have faith. What's the point if you're going to give up. Not everything in life will be easy and pain free.

Give your grandmother her best last days. Go to the hospital and talk to her as much as you can, tell her everything.

God bless.

Why can't everything just happen? Why does God have to dictate what happens? Having 3 strokes and suffering for the past decade will all be good in the long run, ya right. My grandmother might live another 10 years sucking baby food and having someone wipe her ass for her. If God is trying to prove a point I would love to hear what it is.

This is where I believe you are wrong... God does not dictate our lives. Did he tell them to blow up the trade center? I doubt it. We are born with free will and thus are made that way. If God wanted to run our lives like you say, then why doesn't he just force you to believe in him? Some people have more tragic lives than others and somehow they all carry on. If you have read the Bible and know of the story of Job then you will understand how God works through these things... He didn't cause Job's problems, but he was there with him and helped Job to overcome the problem. Why did Job's family have to die just for him to be proven a point? It is because sin is in the world and these things happen.

 

[optoman]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: optoman
Goosemaster - I totally believe in what you just said. Everytime I see her, I give her a kiss and hug and call her beautiful. She is truelly beautiful. I do keep a smile on my face for as long as I am with her. I have done this since I was about 15, 28 now. My mom tells my brothers and I that she loves to see us. I send her flowers every so often just because.

It just tears me apart when I walk out of her house, now nursing home knowing she is in agony. A person shouldn't have to go through that. Life is cruel but my grandmother deserves a break.

<--Just really emotional right now

I was the only person out of dozens that went to see her all the time that did not for a moment cry.

Act as if she isn't dying. The eldery constantly critique the young for their inexperience. It will give her something to do.


<---imagine me walking in the the emergency room with the required hospital room backwards and upside down with a tux underdeath and clearly visable while trying to keep a straight face.

I looked like a total dumbass. She laughed. Well worth it.

She is not dying. They just put her in a nursing home after she had her stroke last week and the doctors say she could live for another 10 years, but bed ridden. I have never cried in front of her but this last week has made me shed some tears on the way home and at random times during the day, but never near her. I try to make her smile and laugh. It's hard on me but it's nothing compared to what she is going through. It breaks my heart to watch her gaze into nothing and know that's all she does now when there is no one with her.

I don't want her to go but the quality of her life just sucks right now and she doesn't want to go on like this. She doesn't tell us but she tells me mom this who is also a basket case right now.

 

[halik]

thought im not particularily religious,
i do belive everythign happens for a reason. All the negative stuff in my life (more than i'm willing to share) so far ended up making sense afterward. I'm still waiting to find out why my grandpa lost his fight to cancer, but im sure ill get it in due time.

As for your grandma, im sure it takes a lot of strength on her part to deal with her situation. I'm sure something will happen in your life that will make sense of it

 

[imported_Mike]

I think ill pass on the God debate, but my condolensces go out to you and your family.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: optoman

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: optoman
Goosemaster - I totally believe in what you just said. Everytime I see her, I give her a kiss and hug and call her beautiful. She is truelly beautiful. I do keep a smile on my face for as long as I am with her. I have done this since I was about 15, 28 now. My mom tells my brothers and I that she loves to see us. I send her flowers every so often just because.

It just tears me apart when I walk out of her house, now nursing home knowing she is in agony. A person shouldn't have to go through that. Life is cruel but my grandmother deserves a break.

<--Just really emotional right now

I was the only person out of dozens that went to see her all the time that did not for a moment cry.

Act as if she isn't dying. The eldery constantly critique the young for their inexperience. It will give her something to do.


<---imagine me walking in the the emergency room with the required hospital room backwards and upside down with a tux underdeath and clearly visable while trying to keep a straight face.

I looked like a total dumbass. She laughed. Well worth it.

She is not dying. They just put her in a nursing home after she had her stroke last week and the doctors say she could live for another 10 years, but bed ridden. I have never cried in front of her but this last week has made me shed some tears on the way home and at random times during the day, but never near her. I try to make her smile and laugh. It's hard on me but it's nothing compared to what she is going through. It breaks my heart to watch her gaze into nothing and know that's all she does now when there is no one with her.

I don't want her to go but the quality of her life just sucks right now and she doesn't want to go on like this. She doesn't tell us but she tells me mom this who is also a basket case right now.

ah...my grandmother IS dying unfortunuately..been in the emergency room for months....

had a variety of ulcer's ...heart surgery ...some strokes(no paralizsis because it was caught early) and was near death about a month ago...she's about the same age as your grandma ....a few over 80