I am not kidding. SC2 will fry your v-card...

Seero

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... if it isn't cooled property.
People are frying their video cards with sc2

In case you ain't a geek or a freak about computers, here is some tips to safe yourself from breaking your v-card with games like SC2.

If you don't wanna take things apart or risk of killing your PC, find a small computer repair store and ask them to clean your PC for 30-50 bucks. Stand behind them while they do it to make sure that do clean it through. Follow this guide and you will know what needs to be and how it should be done. If you think it is too much, is it cheaper? or a new v-card? Of course, you can always DIY.

Go youtube on CPU thermal paste as well as your video card. Note that all video cards are different, so make sure that you look at the model that you have. After watching and if you think you can do it, than you can proceed.

If you are an expert and catch any mistakes in the follow wall of text, please point them out so I can correct them.
If you have several bucks to spare, you buy a can of compressed air from the nearest computer store, they are around 10 bucks USD. Otherwise, have your vacuum and a dry paint blush ready.

Before you take off, if you have mother, sister, wife, or daughter who is living with you, go check and see if they have 80-100% alcohol. Yes, they should have it.

If you found 80% alcohol, great, else you may wanna get thermal paste (TIM) remover, or 80-100% industrial alcohol if you really really want maximum cooling. Of course, a tube of thermal paste, like AS5.

If you don't have a screw driver, get them too.

If you don't have paper towel, get them. DO NOT USE TOILET PAPER!

By now you should have everything you need to really clean your beloved PC.

Turn off your PC, unplug the power cord and other cables away from the PC. Open the side over of the case. Inspect the heatsink(HS), the big piece of finlike metal on top of the CPU with a fan on it. If you have TIM, remove the HS and CPU away (gently!) from the PC. Unscrew the HS and it should stuck to the CPU if you never done this before. Gently turn the HS clockwise and counter-clockwise until it come off the CPU. Unlock the lock that is holding the CPU in place and carefully remove the CPU away from the motherboard.

Note that TIM are highly conductive, so be extra careful not to touch bottom side of your CPU with it. Check youtube on how to remove TIM from the CPU, or use a paper towel and with the alcohol to remove the TIM on the of the CPU. The alcohol will soften the TIM and you may need to do it several passes with several paper towels. The idea is to clean it until no TIM left and the chip should look like new. Place it on the table up side down afterward so you don't damage the CPU. Yes, stepping on the CPU will break it, so please put it on the table.

Now take the Heatsink to washroom, note that TIM are also on the HS, you can clean it before or after dusting. Either use the compressed air or vacuum to get ride of the dust that are stuck inside the fins. Use the dry paint blush to help.

By now you will have a clean HS and CPU, but don't put them back yet. Remove the power cord off the video card, then remove the screw that is holding the card on place. There is a small "hook lock" and the PCI-E socket, reach down and push it and GENTLY rock the card out. Don't Yang it out. Put the v-card(s) on the table as well as any cards that are plugged into the motherboard. Bring the entire case into washroom and starts to clean it. Wherever there is a fan, there will be dust. PSU is tricky and troublesome to clean. It is best to use vacuum as it sucks the dirt out instead of pushing it inside the box. Opening the PSU box will void the warranty, so it is up to you.

Note that, while it is fun to make fans turn really quick by blowing air or suck it with the vacuum, it will actually break the ball-baring track of the fan, making it more noisy.

After the case is cleaned, use the blush and gently clean the sockets, where the CPU and cards used to sit on. Back the case back to where it should be.

Now, clean the surface of the CPU again with alcohol again and place the CPU back to the socket and lock it. Apply 4-6 rices of TIM on the center of CPU and place the HS on top of it and gently turn the HS counter/clockwise to spread the TIM evenly. If you are not sure how much TIM to use and don't use the size of a rice, then you can find a unused credit card or alike, put a bit of TIM at the center of the CPU, then spread it with your card. If it isn't enough TIM, add a bit and spread. The goal is to use the less amount of TIM to cover the suface of the CPU. Again, TIMs are highly conductive, so you don't want to stick it anywhere other then the surface of the CPU. The surface of the CPU is actually thin plate of HS and the cores are at the center, so don't worry about the edge of the CPU. The thinner the layer of TIM, the better.

Note, the surface of the CPU and HS are Metal, and metal transfer heat better. The problem is the surface isn't completely flat, and therefore doesn't transfer heat. TIM is used to fill up these gaps, thus thinner layer works better than thicker ones. Turning the HS allows the TIM to go into the gaps in between, therefore maximizing its performance. Air bubble on the other hand, is not good. This is why there are different methods.

After all that crap, screw back the HS. Those screws should be tight as the pressure from the HS helps cooling too.

Okay, now the v-card. Note that the fins are likely hiddlen under the cover of the v-card. Youtube your v-card model and brand on how to remove the cover. If you are luckly, you can just remove the cover. If you are not, you may need to remove the HS. The idea is almost the same as the CPU, except that the HS of v-card not only sits on top of the GPU, but rams too, and sometimes they use thermal pads for RAMs.

Some idea, gentle and don't yang. Once all screws are removed, the only thing that holds the HS in place is the dried TIM, so turn it counter/clockwise repeated it until it come off. Once it is loose, locate the wire that connects to the fan and carefully unplug the connector off the socket on the card. Clean the 2 parts just like CPU and DO NOT THROW OUT THE THERMAL PADS!!! They are low grade stuff that transfer heat, but without them your v-card will fry. It is okay if they break into 2 pieces, one on HS and the other on the RAM with it sits on, they will still work. Just keep them clean.

Note, as to taking v-cards apart, you will need to count and remember how many screws goes to where. The TIM of GPU isn't a big deal as they usually do their job fine, but replacing them always helps cooling. What is a big deal is the dust inside the HS, they must be cleaned.

After everything is cleaned you can then put them back together, same idea as the CPU, just make sure that the thermal pad is in place between the HS and the center of the RAM and remember to plug the fan power back. Do not leave any screws out and each must be tightly screwed back.

Put the cards back and plug back the power cords to the video card. Don't screw them back yet, test and see if the system boots first. If it does boot (OMG), then check if all the fans are turning. Go into bios and check temperature of each opponents and see if they look okay. Turn the PC off and screw it back. Test again before you place it back where the PC used to sit and put back the side cover.

There, unless the opponent is bad or you are blocking the intake/outtake of the case, it won't overheat. In fact, usually the temp will drop 20 degrees from before. Heatsinks are hotter than before, but that is before it is doing its job more effectively.

Last note, one you have master this, it is very hard not to OC, and you can start laughing at your friends that are in poor conditions.

Edit: Thanks to Grooveriding:
Goto the Startcraft II directory, it may vary depanding on OS, and locate the file variables.txt, make a copy of it (copy and paste, ctrl-c followed by ctrl-v on the file, and a copy will automatically be placed in the same directory with a different name.) Open variable.txt with Notepad, search for "flameratecap", if you find it, modify its value. If not, add it.

frameratecapGlue=30
frameratecap=60

the first line is the cap FPS when you are in the loading/selection screens, the second is when you are in-game playing. You don't need to use the exact number, but those number are good enough for most people/cards/pcs.

Edit 2:
Some suggested to keep vsync on. It keeps the FPS produced by the video card as same as the refresh rate of the display. The purpose is to prevent tearing when the display tries to display while the video card is refreshing, but at the same time caps the maximum flame rate to whatever your display can produce. This will prevent FPS to go over the roof unnecessary.

Note that capping the FPS doesn't necessary mean it doesn't work hard. It only helps under certain areas. It isn't an ultimate solution and your v-card will fry with or without this command if cooling is inefficient.

Happy gaming.
 
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Grooveriding

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Add this line to your variables.txt file (found in My Documents/Starcraft II)


frameratecapGlue=30

The problem is with the engine, when you are sitting at a menu screen, your video card(s) will go crazy rendering the screen as fast as possible.

My cards would reach near furmark temps on the menu in SC2.

The above variable limits your framerate when on a menu screen. You can also cap your framerate in game if you like with:

frameratecap=X
 

DaveSimmons

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I read posts about this as soon as the beta started, it's sad that Blizzard didn't think it was worth fixing by the release build.
 

Rifter

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seriously, furmark temps in a fucking menu! Holy programming FAIL

Blizzard is like a sharrtered shell of what it used to be

i think ill wait at least untill patch 10 before even considering this game, my OC on my 4890 wont run furmark for more than 5 min but so far has not crashed in any game, dont want starcraft to fry it.
 

Seero

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I read posts about this as soon as the beta started, it's sad that Blizzard didn't think it was worth fixing by the release build.
Technically speaking, it has nothing to do with the game. I ran some games where FPS goes over 1000+ FPS sometimes. It doesn't break the hardware, but it does make the hardware work really hard. Not everyone benchmark their PCs from time to time and doesn't realized that their cooling got worst over time.

I was in beta, and I got the game, but I don't have temperature problems without the caps. I play EQ2 and GPU load at 99% all the time.
 

MrK6

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Long enough that they assumed video card manufacturers would supply cooling sufficient for the products they sold?
That makes no sense, at all.
I read posts about this as soon as the beta started, it's sad that Blizzard didn't think it was worth fixing by the release build.
Seriously. I'm not a SC fan but I hope they put a little more effort into Diablo III.
 

faxon

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Technically speaking, it has nothing to do with the game. I ran some games where FPS goes over 1000+ FPS sometimes. It doesn't break the hardware, but it does make the hardware work really hard. Not everyone benchmark their PCs from time to time and doesn't realized that their cooling got worst over time.

I was in beta, and I got the game, but I don't have temperature problems without the caps. I play EQ2 and GPU load at 99% all the time.
yea but in EQ2 you are also CPU limited 100% of the time anyway. everyone quoting how horribly optimized crysis or metro 2033 or whatever game needs to take a step back and look at this MMORPG from 2004 which still runs like shit 6 years later on hardware thats 50 times faster. now THATS horrible optimization at its worst :awe:. you can dual or even triple box with enough ram and a phenom 2 x6 (without sacrificing performance per client), but no matter how much raw MHz i threw at the game i just couldnt get it to run smooth in a raid more than 10% of the time, let alone solo in some of the laggiest zones (excluding qeynos harbor and south qeynos of course)
 
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dguy6789

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I've played SC2 for countless hours already and left it on the menu for long periods of time and never had any kind of overheating or crashing. The GPU fan doesn't even kick up as fast as it goes in some other games. Granted, I do keep the inside of my PC in pristine condition. This is with a reference 4870.
 
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jdjbuffalo

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This issue happened to me last night.

I was in the main menu area setting up a game with a few friends. We didn't go right into it and instead were talking about stuff in the game. After about 20 minutes, we decided to start. A few seconds before I was going to start the game my computer shut off.

At first I thought it was a power outage but I saw all my other electronics were still on. I waited about 1 minute and then powered my system back on. Everything came up fine. Since I don't have any stability issues and I was playing a new game, I immediately thought to check my graphics card. My temp was at 95C! This was after 5 minutes of it being off and very little activity on the graphics card.

Needless to say, I kept a close eye on my temps the rest of the night. When I was playing the game, it was hot (85C - 95C) but it didn't get any higher and I didn't have any other crashes.

I'll try out this text file change tonight and see if it helps.

Edit:

Also for those wondering, yes I keep the inside of my case cleaned, including the video card fan. The fan just has never been that good at cooling and I've already replaced the thermal paste on the heatsink to get some better cooling out of it. But it still runs hot and loud. I'll be replacing it soon...

I've got an ATI 4850.
 
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CurseTheSky

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I've sat in the menu for 5 minutes at a time and didn't have an issue. I did add the line to variables.txt, though, because I heard some coil whine from my card.
 

Qbah

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Thanks for the heads-up. I'm running the game with v-sync and the Vapor-X cooling is one of the best ones around, so I think I'm safe ;)
 

Seero

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For most games, GPU doesn't get burn like the menu screen of SC2. I guess the irony is there are no necessary bottleneck to prevent parts from working.

I guess from now on crysis can retire and SC2 load screen will be used for benchmarking.():)
 

Oyeve

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Hmmm, I installed SC2 lastnight and Windows 7 kept BSODing so I installed in XP and it works great. I wonder, the game would BSOD in Win7 after I log into bnet, the menu I presume could be the culprit? Is it just a Win7 thing? works just great in XP.
 

Seero

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Hmmm, I installed SC2 lastnight and Windows 7 kept BSODing so I installed in XP and it works great. I wonder, the game would BSOD in Win7 after I log into bnet, the menu I presume could be the culprit? Is it just a Win7 thing? works just great in XP.
BSoD gives a reason, only meaningful if you are some freaks or geeks or someone with lots of experience of it. Sounds like a driver issue in your case though.
 

taserbro

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Thanks for the heads-up. I'm running the game with v-sync and the Vapor-X cooling is one of the best ones around, so I think I'm safe ;)

Same conclusion here, with vsync on there are no problems to report.
And I'm sporting one of the hottest cards around with one of the worst case (pun intended) scenario in terms of airflow.
 
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I noticed this too. I have a 9800GT that normally is barely audible. Even in Sup Commander, MW2, Mass Effect 2, the card never is noisy. Last night, I left the game open on the loading screen while I went to do something else, and the cooling fan on the card started to whine like crazy. I checked and the temp was ok, but the fan was running at nearly max speed.
I am glad that I am now aware of this issue, as I thought card was suddenly overheating seriously, and was about ready to clean the case, even though I just did it a few weeks ago.
 

Ben90

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I'm with Lonyo on this. Everyone pounds on how shitty the stock Intel cooler is, but at least that can keep the chip from failing years and years of 100% load. While Blizzard could have used a possibly more elegant solution, it still doesn't hide the fact that your video card is receiving poor cooling.

And Vysnc isn't a fix to the problem, I would rather have my properly cooled video card operating at 100% than incur input delay on the menus.
 

Qbah

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I'm with Lonyo on this. Everyone pounds on how shitty the stock Intel cooler is, but at least that can keep the chip from failing years and years of 100% load. While Blizzard could have used a possibly more elegant solution, it still doesn't hide the fact that your video card is receiving poor cooling.

And Vysnc isn't a fix to the problem, I would rather have my properly cooled video card operating at 100% than incur input delay on the menus.

While I agree on all your points - a proper cooling should be provided with every graphics card (and I would be upset if my card was overheating at factory speeds from running a game), input lag can be solved by forcing triple buffering :) That's what I do in all my games, run them with v-syn and triple buffering.
 

Sylvanas

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Turn on Fraps and enter the menu's of your favourite games, hardly any of them if any at all are 'limited' and the video card will be spitting out all it can- SC2 does nothing new in this regard. The 'problem' doesn't lie with a developer, it's with your video card. I'd rather have a game that makes full use of GPU resources than one that doesn't. Besides, if your card is overheating in one game it's probably pretty borderline for the rest anyway. As a ballpark estimate Furmark/SC2 raise temps by about 1-10degress above normal high usage scenarios, with the upper end of that depending on how good your cooling situation is. If you 'kill your card' your card would have been running hotter than usual for a long time.

The replies in this thread that Blizzard need to 'fix' this are silly. In what games do developers go and deliberately recode their engine 'so we reduce GPU load and thereby lower temps' - nobody does. It's a symptom of the engine, most engines do not make full use of the resources and thus are less power hungry than others, it's not that it's designed 'to be easier on temps' it just happens to be a convenient coincidence.
 

Ben90

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Ahh touche' Qbah. Although thinking about it, wouldn't triple buffering not fix the "problem" as the card is still rendering as fast as possible? I'm not a Vysnc expert because I always prefer it off so I'm probably wrong lol.

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Sylvanas hit the nail on the head. I know some older games that I run at over 2000fps, I shouldn't have to go and limit how much my card renders for every single game that came out before 2005.
 
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Ben90

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Care to explain the difference? I looked on Wikipedia and couldn't figure it out.