I am not a strong believer in God, BUT...

[Random Variable]

I think many people on ATOT have fallaciously equated "separation of Church and State" with "separation of God and State."

*Preparing myself for the typical ATOT abusive ad hominem arguments*

 

[Miramonti]

i.e.?

 

[Rilescat]

Yes, please. Give us an example.

 

[smp]

What do you see being different?

 

[Beau]

Are you baiting for flaming here? or are you serious?

 

[SWirth86]

I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

 

[rubix]

you are right. starting next year children will be required to study 230 different gods from the past and present. have fun learning so much about something so real.

 

[Killbat]

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

 

[BigJohnKC]

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

God exists whether or not you choose to believe in Him.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

not true, i am not religious in any way, i dont practice, i dont preach, etc, but i believe there is some god(s), who knows, though?

 

[SWirth86]

Originally posted by: rubix
you are right. starting next year children will be required to study 230 different gods from the past and present. have fun learning so much about something so real.

What? You should learn about past customs, religions, and everything else even though, in your opinion, they aren't 'real'.

 

[Random Variable]

What do you see being different?

The "separation of Church and State" means that our laws must remain secular in nature. It does not mean that God cannot ever enter the public sphere.

 

[smp]

So you're saying that the public sphere is the state?

 

[txgixer]

Originally posted by: BigJohnKC

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

God exists whether or not you choose to believe in Him.

Yep, just like the Easter Bunny, Satan Claus, and the Tooth Fairy.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: smp
So you're saying that the public sphere is the state?

The "State" certainly isn't the private sphere.

 

[smp]

But it's not the entire public sphere either ... the state is a part of the public sphere .. not all encompassing or anything.

 

[smp]

Not only that .. but the law is the state .. all that the state is is law.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: smp
But it's not the entire public sphere either ... the state is a part of the public sphere .. not all encompassing or anything.

Well, that's if you consider the "State" to be only the federal government.

 

[Kadarin]

The problem with refusing to endorse the "separation of God and State" along with the "separation of Church and State" is that you're discriminating against polytheistic religions along with other belief systems that do not accept the concept of an all-powerful single diety. The State then by implication (or explicitly, as the case may be) endorses and encourages a Judeo-Christian worldview.

Personally, I think the Pagans got it right: Celebrate life, fertility, the changing of seasons... What could possibly make more sense than that?

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86 I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church. For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god. That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

and I totally agree with Killbat on this one.

 

[Killbat]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

not true, i am not religious in any way, i dont practice, i dont preach, etc, but i believe there is some god(s), who knows, though?

No, true.
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=religious
If you believe there is a God, or even any kind of god(s), you are religious.

 

[AShadeOfClear]

God exists whether or not you choose to believe in Him.

well, gee, thank you for clearing up this issue once and for all, oh wise one.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33
The problem with refusing to endorse the "separation of God and State" along with the "separation of Church and State" is that you're discriminating against polytheistic religions along with other belief systems that do not accept the concept of an all-powerful single diety. The State then by implication (or explicitly, as the case may be) endorses and encourages a Judeo-Christian worldview. Personally, I think the Pagans got it right: Celebrate life, fertility, the changing of seasons... What could possibly make more sense than that?

Hmmm .. am I in ATOT today? That's good .. I concur.

 

[Beau]

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86
I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church.

For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god.

That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

not true, i am not religious in any way, i dont practice, i dont preach, etc, but i believe there is some god(s), who knows, though?

No, true.
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=religious
If you believe there is a God, or even any kind of god(s), you are religious.

That's one deffinition, read further down.
\Re*li"gious\ (r?-l?j"?s), a. [OF. religius, religious, F. religieux, from L. religiosus. See Religion.] 1. Of or pertaining to religion; concerned with religion; teaching, or setting forth, religion; set apart to religion; as, a religious society; a religious sect; a religious place; religious subjects, books, teachers, houses, wars

That's the one I preffer. I view being religious as pertaining to organized religion. Spiritual, OTOH, pertains to deity.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: Beau6183

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Killbat

Originally posted by: SWirth86 I think what he is trying to say is that using the word 'god' does not automatically mean church. For example, in the pledge of allegience, 'under god' would not be a reference to the church, only to god. That might not have been his intended idea, so please explain

I thought that too, but that's just stupid. "God" only exists, to you, if you subscribe to a certain religion (the.... church?).

not true, i am not religious in any way, i dont practice, i dont preach, etc, but i believe there is some god(s), who knows, though?

No, true. http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=religious If you believe there is a God, or even any kind of god(s), you are religious.

That's one deffinition, read further down. \Re*li"gious\ (r?-l?j"?s), a. [OF. religius, religious, F. religieux, from L. religiosus. See Religion.] 1. Of or pertaining to religion; concerned with religion; teaching, or setting forth, religion; set apart to religion; as, a religious society; a religious sect; a religious place; religious subjects, books, teachers, houses, wars That's the one I preffer. I view being religious as pertaining to organized religion. Spiritual, OTOH, pertains to deity.

Can't spiritual just pertain to .. "I don't understand what life is, and I know I never will ... WOW! It sure is fvcking amazing!!!" ???