I am going to buy a new P4 - Socket 478 Heatsink/Fan...Reccomendations ?

[Texmaster]

<< LOL no offense but I'm an ass?

Take a look at who started the insults genius before you start taking sides.

Next time read more carefully.

You are a jackass for taking the side of the person who not only started the insults but doesn't even own the very thing he claims to be an expert on.

Must have been another thread... Mikewarrior2 only accused you of spreading FUD (Fear uncertainty and doubt.) >>



LOL!!! And thats NOT an insult? oh Please.



<< In his "opinion" no less...or did you fail to notice that? IMO building a system successfully should give ample experience with cooling, and Mike has been a helpful member of the Anandtech forum, demonstrating his expertise on system cooling for some time now. >>



If you dont own it and tweak it, you are NOT an expert on it.

Remember that next time you defend someone who doesn't even own what they are talking about.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Sorry, double post or something.

Anyway. my retail socket 478 1.7 does 1.85 with no problems with the stock HSF. Ignore texmaster; he's a moron. Follow mike's advice. >>



ROFLOL!!! I hit 2.0 with my 1.7

I rest my case.

 

[Imperium97]

ROFLLOLOLAOL!!!! You 4RE so l337!

anyway, I'm not sure what case you rest but the fact that you go to 2.0 and i to 1.85 may have nothing to do with cooling. Some chips simply wont go beyond a certain speed. The fact that I can go to 1.85 with stock cooling bodes well for the intel HSF i think.

 

[Goldfish]

Texmaster, you are an ass.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Okay Texmaster, I've heard enough of your crap. This is the last time I will post in this thread.

YOU are so full of $hit, its not even funny. You're claiming a sub 35C Full load temp on a p4 @ 2.36ghz..

Let's see why you're so full of $hit:

A) IN order to achieve even a 34C full load temp, with the vantec p4 heatsink, it would require an ambient case temperature of..... -24C.

Now, since you'll want to see the math behind this cause you're probably too braindead to figure it out yourself:

C/W of .45C taken from Overlcokckers.com vantec test.. Per Radiate, a p4 @ 2.36 ghz @ 1.8V(and I doubt you're at a lower CPU Voltage) has a wattage of around 130.

Interestingly, vantec rated C/W is also .45. SO, we take 130W multipled by .45 = ~58C over ambient. Since you're claiming load of under 35C, i'll take it as 34C. So in order for your statement to be true, you're looking at an ambient case temp of well under -24C.

B) I do not see the point in LYING about your temps. I don't see the point in being argumentative and lying in a futile attempt to prove your point. YOu may think that tweaking is the way to be an expert. Well, hate to break it to you, you don't have to: I've used p4 "test" systems for several weeks at a time, and have played aroudn with heatsinks and whatnot. Your claim that you will have to underclock your CPU with the retail heatsink is FUD. Whether you are inept or ignorant or didn't know how to install the retail sink, I don't know.

There's the flat out facts behind Texmaster's claims. Take the facts and believe or don't believe them... there's no funny math involved. Manufacturer and tested ratings were both used. Even if you want to use the intel rated "max normal load" wattage of ~100W (max intel posted Wattage = ~ .75 of Radiate Wattage), with the vantec unit, a 34C CPU load temp would require a -11C ambient case temp.

SO, frankly, i'm very disappointed, that after going through the math, that a fellow forum member posted lies to try to further his argument...


Mike

P.S. I will not reply to this thread again... if you want any advice or have questions, PM me.

 

[Diable]

As the owner of a overclocked P4, its a 1.5ghz running 1.89GHz(15x126)with the stock heatsink and fan I would like to say Tex, you just got owned.

 

[XWolfsraider]

p-4 1.5 478 proc user here if your worried use an extra case fan

mine running 3 months NO HEAT PROBLEMS FROM STOCK COOLING LOL


EDIT> same motherboard .
when i first got it ati ran case temp to high (no case fan) now running perfectly

 

[robg1701]

First up, Texmaster, for anyone reading this entire thread like ive just done, P4 owner or not its hard to come to any other conclusion that your being a bit of a prick. Lighten up, take a chill pill, whateva, just relax dude

Second, i have to say that while i dont personally know Mikewarrior2, and he dont me from jack, over the couple of years ive been reading these forums ive seen him be nothing but helpfull and its been pretty clear he knows his sh$t well

Last but not least, its equally possible to argue that people can own somthing, tweak it, and still not have a damn clue. So just cause you own a P4 or three, and you have tweaked your systems, doesnt make you an expert.

 

[Degenerate]

To many eeee's for the night. He seem quite tense, i recommend accupuncture.

 

[JackBurton]

OK, I'm going to have to jump in here. I have a P4 1.9GHz chip with an Asus P4T-E mobo. I have the retail heatsink and I think it is a GREAT stock cooler. I've built A LOT of PCs (AMD and Intel) and this is the BEST cooler by far. I didn't find the heatsink flimsy at all, on the contrary, this thing is solid as a rock! I do agree with Texmaster that the plastic sides that lock onto mobo's mounts are hard to take off once they are locked in, but I don't take the heatsink off very much. I've overclocked my P4 to 2.2+GHz but then my mobo freaked out and died on me! :| And I only added .5 volts to the default voltage (1.75v). My temps were great, 31-32C idle and about 50C full load. Texmaster talks about underclocking, I think he is referring to CPU throttling when the CPU (P4) gets too hot, am I right Texmaster? If so, you are not going to reach that critical point with conventional overclocking (aircooled) by adding .5 to 1 volt extra to the default voltage. Like I said, the stock cooler is GREAT and I was very impressed with it. Overclocking as everyone knows depends A LOT on the CPU (P4, PIII, Athlon, whatever). How far did you overclock your P4 with the default cooler Texmaster?

 

[thermite88]

Woo, I went away for an evening and this thread grows.

Mike Warrior2 did more than anyone else at AT to help others to understand how to measure CPU temperature properly and to understand the physics and mathematics behind it. He deserves our respect.

Texmaster, I am also a P4 owner and overclock. I have tried several aftermarket heatsinks and concluded that the Intel retail heatsink performed more than adequately for OC at 1.85 Vcore. (35C idle and 51C full load)

I am also an engineer specilizing in thermal management. I think that the socket 478 mounting mechanism is the most mechanically stable system design for CPU cooling so far. It is easy for the users. If you cannot handle it properly, it just says that you are not very mechanically inclined.

Do you really use the Vantec GSN-7015 heatsink? It is one of the poorer performer among current candidates. Put a Black Delta on it may help, but it will not perform miracles. If you learn how to mount the retail heatsink properly, you may get better or equal performance.

Did you check the P4 heatsink review links at my earlier post?

 

[Insane3D]

Hmmmm....It looks like Tex got OWNED! ROTFLMAO!!!

 

[JellyBaby]

For what's it worth MikeWarrior wins here, hands down. He was one of the first people to help me out when I was a n00b here and in my eyes at least he's nothin' but net. Everything he's said in this thread makes sense and his approach is reasonable.

 

[thomsbrain]

<< Since I actually own a 478 socket P4 I would say I'm the best qualified to answer this.

The Intel Heatsink is CRAP. TOTAL CRAP. Anything that cant get blow 50C is CRAP. The Plastic hooks are flimsey and easily broken not to mention impossible to remove once its on.

And this is from someone who ACTUALLY OWNES ONE.

The ONLY way to get a halfway decent temperature is to take the Ventec solution and mount a 60mm black delta.

If you push this processor AT ALL you need a higher running fan. Its that simple. The 70mm fans SUCK. They are thin and weak.

Testimony from someone who has actually been where you are going. >>



Let me guess. You scraped all that "pink crap" off the HS before you put it on.

 

[thomsbrain]

I'm getting a major kick out of this thread!

Tex... tex,tex,tex.

You know, with 2000+ posts, one would think you would have learned a thing or two. One of the things you should have learned is MikeWarrior is THE authority on anything heatsink related. He does his own testing and has gained much respect for his un-biased, insightful, and intelligent results.

Bashing Mike's info on heatsinks is like bashing god. Go crawl back into your cave. Mike owned you.

 

[vikash]

You know guys, it's pretty sad to see Platinum and Elite Members talk in such a rough and arrogant manner.

Texmaster you don't have to be so arrogant just to give your valued inputs nor do you have to be SO PROUD just because you actually own a 478 system.

I'v personally built some 30 plus 478 units, and from the experience, I'd say that the plastic fastening mechanism of the retail hsf isn't too robust just like the fastening clip with The retail PIII 1GHz. One has to be very very careful when installing it. The fastening mechanism of the 423 ones are far better.

If Intel could shift to a metal or aluminium alloy fastner it would be much better for newbies.

As far as cooling is concerned, it is more than sufficient for normal everyday use and is pretty quiet. As far as overclocking is concerned, please keep in mind that only about 2-3% of PC users in the world ever overclock any thing in their PC.

Just my very own inputs.


Vikash
INDIA

 

[erub]

wow what an entertaining thread When I get my P4 in the next few months, it will be a retail version with the stock HSF. The quieter, the better

 

[Syborg1211]

Obviously texmaster isn't smart enough to realize that if Intel did actually implement poor heatsinks with their cpus and do actually cause heat problems then Intel would be in such a big mess. If you are given something to use alongside something else they must work together properly or else suffer the consequences