I am fasting today

FoBoT

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so it is only a half day? as soon as the sun sets you can eat a pizza?

drive south, the sun sets earlier the farther south you go
assuming you are in the northern hemisphere
 

Zysoclaplem

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Well I am gonna hold my breath for 30 seconds and then bark like a dog while spinning in circles. It's a religious thing.

Religious traditions are so silly. :p
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Well I am gonna hold my breath for 30 seconds and then bark like a dog while spinning in circles. It's a religious thing.

Religious traditions are so silly. :p

Let me see... a 3000 year heritage and tradition or your opinion.... hmmmm... I think I'll go with the former.
 

FoBoT

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here you can see when the sun sets

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department


Sun and Moon Data for One Day
The following information is provided for Trenton, Mercer County, New Jersey (longitude W74.8, latitude N40.2):

Tuesday
3 July 2007 Eastern Daylight Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 5:01 a.m.
Sunrise 5:34 a.m.
Sun transit 1:03 p.m.
Sunset 8:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 9:05 p.m.

MOON
Moonrise 10:26 p.m. on preceding day
Moon transit 3:26 a.m.
Moonset 8:34 a.m.
Moonrise 10:54 p.m.
Moonset 9:46 a.m. on following day


Phase of the Moon on 3 July: waning gibbous with 89% of the Moon's visible disk illuminated.

Full Moon on 30 June 2007 at 9:49 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time.
 

bctbct

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Talking about a 3000 year old tradition on the internet seems...odd. Shouldnt this be on a Tablet or something? :)
 

child of wonder

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Originally posted by: ThePresence
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Well I am gonna hold my breath for 30 seconds and then bark like a dog while spinning in circles. It's a religious thing.

Religious traditions are so silly. :p</end quote></div>

Let me see... a 3000 year heritage and tradition or your opinion.... hmmmm... I think I'll go with the former.

Therefore the Egyptians' traditions must trump yours. Worship your cat and wear a bird mask instead.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
so it is only a half day? as soon as the sun sets you can eat a pizza?

drive south, the sun sets earlier the farther south you go
assuming you are in the northern hemisphere

Half a day, meaning from dawn to dusk (well, a little after dusk actually), not from sunset to sunset. We have 2 of those (sunset to sunset) annually.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ThePresence
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
Well I am gonna hold my breath for 30 seconds and then bark like a dog while spinning in circles. It's a religious thing.

Religious traditions are so silly. :p</end quote></div>

Let me see... a 3000 year heritage and tradition or your opinion.... hmmmm... I think I'll go with the former.</end quote></div>

Therefore the Egyptians' traditions must trump yours. Worship your cat and wear a bird mask instead.
I wasn't using this as a proof that my traditions or religion is correct. I was using it to show the sillyness of someone writing it off because it just sounds strange to them.
 

child of wonder

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<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wasn't using this as a proof that my traditions or religion is correct. I was using it to show the sillyness of someone writing it off because it just sounds strange to them.</end quote></div>

I never said you did.

You used the age of your tradition as a reason for it to override someone's opinion.

Since there are religions older than yours then, by your logic, they must trump your religious traditions.
 

SampSon

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wasn't using this as a proof that my traditions or religion is correct. I was using it to show the sillyness of someone writing it off because it just sounds strange to them.</end quote></div>

I never said you did.

You used the age of tradition as a reason for it to override someone's opinion.

Since there are religions older than yours then, by your logic, they must trump your religious traditions.
Would you just stfu? Trolling went out in 1997.

 

elmro

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wasn't using this as a proof that my traditions or religion is correct. I was using it to show the sillyness of someone writing it off because it just sounds strange to them.</end quote></div>

I never said you did.

You used the age of your tradition as a reason for it to override someone's opinion.

Since there are religions older than yours then, by your logic, they must trump your religious traditions.

Do you get some kind of perverse pleasure sh*tting on someone else's beliefs, especially when they don't affect you in the slightest?
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: ThePresence
I wasn't using this as a proof that my traditions or religion is correct. I was using it to show the sillyness of someone writing it off because it just sounds strange to them.</end quote></div>

I never said you did.

You used the age of tradition as a reason for it to override someone's opinion.

Since there are religions older than yours then, by your logic, they must trump your religious traditions.

Certainly not.
I am not an ancient Egyptian, so their practices are meaningless to me.
I am Jewish, so Jewish tradition means alot to me.
I think it silly for someone to assume that because he thinks it's strange that I should abandon my 3000 year-old beliefs and equate it with running around and barking.
I was only answering for myself.
Anyone else is free to believe what they will.
 

child of wonder

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Originally posted by: SampSon

Would you just stfu? Trolling went out in 1997.

I'm not trolling. I'm not trying to personally attack anyone simply for pleasure. I'm pointing out the logically fallacy of following a tradition merely because it's old.


Originally posted by: elmro

Do you get some kind of perverse pleasure sh*tting on someone else's beliefs, especially when they don't affect you in the slightest?

There is no pleasure involved. However, following a tradition simply because it's old is a logical fallacy.

If someone truly believes in a religion and is willing to dedicate their life to it, shouldn't they have a better reason for doing so than "it's old" or "it's how I was raised?"


Originally posted by: ThePresence

Certainly not.
I am not an ancient Egyptian, so their practices are meaningless to me.
I am Jewish, so Jewish tradition means alot to me.
I think it silly for someone to assume that because he thinks it's strange that I should abandon my 3000 year-old beliefs and equate it with running around and barking.
I was only answering for myself.
Anyone else is free to believe what they will.

I didn't argue if you were Egyptian. You defended your tradition based on its age. That is a logical fallacy.
I am of German and Dutch descent but there are no traditions from those countries or heritage that hold any value to me.
They're not "your" 3,000 year old beliefs, they are those of a religion. I take it you were raised Jewish. What other reasons do you have for following the faith besides it being what your parents taught you or its age?

People can believe whatever they want. However, they should have good reason for their believes beyond its age or simply because it's how they were raised. If those were valid reasons we would all be worshiping the Sun.
 

ThePresence

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
I didn't argue if you were Egyptian. You defended your tradition based on its age. That is a logical fallacy.

Incorrect. I am not defending my religion to anyone. I am saying that I find it more compelling than some guy's assertiong that it's no different than spinning around in circles.

I am of German and Dutch descent but there are no traditions from those countries or heritage that hold any value to me.
They're not "your" 3,000 year old beliefs, they are those of a religion. I take it you were raised Jewish. What other reasons do you have for following the faith besides it being what your parents taught you or its age?

Ha. The reasons I follow Judaism are way too long and complex for an internet forum, and the truth is, I didn't want to get into this here. Rest assured it's not because of the way I was raised. I have studied this extensively for many years, and attended Rabbinical Seminary as well. This is not something I thought of sitting on the bus one day.

People can believe whatever they want. However, they should have good reason for their believes beyond its age or simply because it's how they were raised. If those were valid reasons we would all be worshiping the Sun.

I have very valid reasons for doing things the way I do. Antiquity is not any of them.