I am dissappointed that fedora core doesn't have ntfs enabled by default

[Infohawk]

What's fedora's deal? Irc people say it's patent, but it's in the kernel and none of the other distros seem to have issues with it.

 

[CTho9305]

It doesn't work for write access. Distros try not to include half-broken software.

http://www.google.com/search?q=real+ntfs+linux&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
That works, but distros can't do it for copyright reasons (the ntfs.sys file is MS's). I'm betting it would be a violation of the Windows EULA to use it, making it a copyright violation to use even on your own.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Do they include the module?

 

[Infohawk]

I'm not talking about the write access, just read.

On #fedora it sounded like you had to get the module or recompile from a vanilla kernel. Either way, give me a break. It's their right but it ain't for me.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Forget about #fedora for a minute. Look to see if the module is included. If it is, load it and tell those guys to piss off.

 

[Sunner]

IIRC back when I used RedHat 9, there was an RPM with the NTFS kernel module/utils, it was unsupported of course, but it was there.

 

[Farfrael]

Did you pay for it ?

No

Do you have a right to complain ?

No

Anyway, take it as a good reason to learn how to compile a kernel instead of complaining

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Farfrael
Did you pay for it ?

No

Do you have a right to complain ?

No

Anyway, take it as a good reason to learn how to compile a kernel instead of complaining

Well, of course he has the right to complain, it's just that some complaints are more well founded than others

Of course a quick Googling for "fedora ntfs support" immediately came up with a site that has NTFS RPM's for RedHat 7/8/9 and Fedora Core 1/2.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Farfrael
Did you pay for it ?

No

Do you have a right to complain ?

No

Anyway, take it as a good reason to learn how to compile a kernel instead of complaining

Well, of course he has the right to complain, it's just that some complaints are more well founded than others

Of course a quick Googling for "fedora ntfs support" immediately came up with a site that has NTFS RPM's for RedHat 7/8/9 and Fedora Core 1/2.

Ah... Google.

Geeks begot Unix.
Unix begot The Internet
The Internet begot Linux
Linux begot Google

Google is your friend.

 

[chsh1ca]

Someone using fedora is not likely going to want to have to recompile their kernel regularly. The RPMs are the way to go. If you can't find it on your CDs, I'd suggest checking rpmfind.net.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's fedora's deal? Irc people say it's patent, but it's in the kernel and none of the other distros seem to have issues with it.

Redhat has higher standards then most other distros. So does Debian.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: sciencewhiz

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's fedora's deal? Irc people say it's patent, but it's in the kernel and none of the other distros seem to have issues with it.

Redhat has higher standards then most other distros. So does Debian.

Well, Im not entirely sure I'll agree with the first part...

 

[Nothinman]

Did you pay for it ?

No

Do you have a right to complain ?

No

Anyway, take it as a good reason to learn how to compile a kernel instead of complaining

Of course he has a right to complain, Fedora is a community project and if nooned complained no real progress would be made.

 

[Farfrael]

Originally posted by: Nothinman
Of course he has a right to complain, Fedora is a community project and if nooned complained no real progress would be made.

In general i definitely agree with your statement, but not in this particular case.

Saying "I am dissappointed that fedora core doesn't have ntfs enabled by default" does not constitute positive criticism and does not offer any insight/solution/positive information.

Besides, something being a community project does not give the right to everybody to complain about it.
Regarding that precise exemple, i'd even go so far as to say :
1) Fedora is not really a community project (have you read that email posted on one of the lists ? it was at the same time funny and true)
2) I'd be surprised to learn that Infohawk ever contributed something to the Fedora "community". And no, i do not consider that his post was a contribution

 

[Nothinman]

Saying "I am dissappointed that fedora core doesn't have ntfs enabled by default" does not constitute positive criticism and does not offer any insight/solution/positive information.

Obviously the Captive NTFS driver can't be included, so if enough people complain about a complete lack of NTFS support the 'standard' read-only driver may get included in the future.

Besides, something being a community project does not give the right to everybody to complain about it.

Of course not, they have the right to complain no matter who runs the project, but the fact that it's community driven means they have a bigger voice.

1) Fedora is not really a community project (have you read that email posted on one of the lists ? it was at the same time funny and true)

Yes I saw that, but being that I don't use Fedora I hadn't looked into it. Everything RedHat/Fedora releases is under the GPL, if people cared that much about it they could fork it and start a new distribution.

2) I'd be surprised to learn that Infohawk ever contributed something to the Fedora "community". And no, i do not consider that his post was a contribution

I'd be equally surprised as well, but feedback can be more usefull than patches in some cases. The fact that his feedback was posted here and not on a Fedora list or bugzilla sort of negates his 'contribution' but not everyone knows where to bring things like this up.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Farfrael
Did you pay for it ?

No

Do you have a right to complain ?

No

Anyway, take it as a good reason to learn how to compile a kernel instead of complaining

Are you my boss?

No

Do you have a right to complain about me complaining?

No

I use debian. I know how to compile my kernel. I was interested in Fedora in order to move away from always have to dig in and google around in order to have a nice working system. I like Debian a lot, but sometimes I want to get more work done instead of apt-get upgrading every day (yes i know about stable and testing too). I was considering Fedora. Getting NTFS to work in fedora would not be a problem for me. I just was hoping I wouldn't have to do that. I'll stick with debian.

Also, I'm just wondering what their patent deal is. I haven't seen other distros keep it out for patent reasons. Basically, what are they worried about?

 

[Infohawk]

Is there a forum rule somewhere about not complaining about a certain distro? it's not like I'm even saying "fedora blows you l0sers!" I'm just saying I'm disappointed with the lack of ntfs inclusion be default and that I don't see the basis for not including it. Have I missed something about the anandtech forums? I thought this was a board to talk about OSes and the like. :/

 

[n0cmonkey]

Don't worry about the complainers. You can complain here.

The only patent issues I can think of are with the non-ro third party drivers, and those might not be patent issues but copyright issues instead. I think the #fedora folk are smoking something.

 

[Farfrael]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Is there a forum rule somewhere about not complaining about a certain distro? it's not like I'm even saying "fedora blows you l0sers!" I'm just saying I'm disappointed with the lack of ntfs inclusion be default and that I don't see the basis for not including it. Have I missed something about the anandtech forums? I thought this was a board to talk about OSes and the like. :/

Of course, EVERYBODY can complain ! see _I_ am complaining about the way you expressed your opinion

and i really don't understand : if you know how to compile a kernel then why on F! earth are you complaining about Fedora not including it, just do it yourself

And my point about complaining remains valid : you can complain all you want but just remember that open source developpers do NOT owe you ANYTHING (especially in that case were you didn't pay for Fedora). Complaining about a lack of feature without contributing yourself is like kicking in the nuts the guy who just GAVE you 100$
he might give you another 100$ but if you keep kicking him, i can gauarantee you that he'll stop pretty quick

Anyway, i seem to be the minority thinking that way on those forums. Keep complaining and not contributing and see how long it is going to last

 

[lowpost]

i quit

 

[Nothinman]

lowpost apparently didn't read the entire thread...

 

[lowpost]

still quit

 

[Nothinman]

If you had read it you would have realized that wasn't his problem, his problem was with the fact that Fedora left it out intentionally, not that he couldn't add it back in himself.