I am Curious

[SlowSpyder]

You can’t even wish someone a recovery from cancer right. What is wrong with you.

I think your views are wrong, but I do wish you a full recovery.

 

[fskimospy]

I think your views are wrong, but I do wish you a full recovery.

Speaking of someone cementing themselves as a real piece of shit why don’t you just try wishing cancer victims well without any qualifiers.

 

[Muse]

I am curious because it seems to me, "innocent until proven guilty" is no longer a factor in the United States. My question is, when did that change and why would a free society accept that change?

That's when you are under prosecution in a court of law, and only then. This was a far different situation.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Speaking of someone cementing themselves as a real piece of shit why don’t you just try wishing cancer victims well without any qualifiers.

I wish all stricken with any form of cancer well, I hope for more good stories than sad endings. No qualifiers. I think *you* have been led by misinformation in regards to your political views. As much as we disagree, I still wish you well on your recovery from cancer. There is nothing political I put above our common hatred of cancer.

 

[Lanyap]

So in other words Ford hatched a plot at least six years ago in order to derail this appointment? This is tinfoil hat conspiracy insanity. This isn’t a case where Democrats conspired to make a fake accusation, this is someone who has been speaking to people about this for more than half a decade and went to Feinstein before he was even selected. That’s a credible accusation by any reasonable standard.

This belongs in the other thread.

It appears that way. Weeks before the infamous May 2012 therapist meeting when she talked about the assault for the first time in 30 years and named Kavanaugh it was predicted that if a republican won he would nominate Kavanaugh to the SC. And we now know that the second front door narrative was not true since she had two doors for egress in the new master bedroom which is where she told a friend who made a statement that she wanted two doors of egress. We also know that the therapist the Ford's bought the house from continued to work out of the old master bedroom at the front of the house where the second front door was eventually installed.


https://www.realclearinvestigations...uments_undermine_fords_exit_door_account.html

Ford, a registered Democrat who has marched against Trump policies, claims she’s not “political” and that Kavanaugh first “came up in counseling” in May 2012 strictly because of the door.

But something else was going on at the time, and it apparently caught Ford’s attention.

Just weeks earlier, the national media reported that GOP presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney was planning to tap Kavanaugh for the Supreme Court if he won the White House.

In a March 26, 2012, article in the The New Yorker, for example, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin warned that Kavanaugh was on Romney’s short list. Toobin said Kavanaugh would pose a threat to the Affordable Care Act and other Obama policies. He also slammed Kavanaugh's work as a federal prosecutor during the investigation of President Clinton over the Lewinsky scandal, noting that he wrote “startling” sections of a report for Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, including that “the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts …"

Striking an ominous tone, Toobin concluded: "If a Republican, any Republican, wins in November, his most likely first nominee to the Supreme Court will be Brett Kavanaugh."

Ford, who is liberal, seemed aware at the time that Kavanaugh was in the running.

"I recall saying that the boy who assaulted me could someday be on the U.S. Supreme Court, and spoke a bit about his background at an elitist all-boys school in Bethesda, Md.,” she testified, recounting her May 2012 therapy session. "My husband recalls that I named my attacker as Brett Kavanaugh."

Example
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/26/holding-court

If a Republican, any Republican, wins in November, his most likely first nominee to the Supreme Court will be Brett Kavanaugh. ♦

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[fskimospy]

This belongs in the other thread.

It appears that way. Weeks before the infamous May 2012 therapist meeting when she talked about the assault for the first time in 30 years and named Kavanaugh it was predicted that if a republican won he would nominate Kavanaugh to the SC. And we now know that the second front door narrative was not true since she had two doors for egress in the new master bedroom which is where she told a friend who made a statement that she wanted two doors of egress. We also know that the therapist the Ford's bought the house from continued to work out of the old master bedroom at the front of the house where the second front door was eventually installed.


https://www.realclearinvestigations...uments_undermine_fords_exit_door_account.html

Example
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/26/holding-court
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This is impressively insane. You are relying on a source that claims the Trump Tower meeting was a plot hatched by Clinton and the Russians to ensnare Trump. You guys are seriously losing touch with reality.

I love how four people accuse Kavanaugh of various sexual assaults and you guys are like ‘nah’, but you’re perfectly fine with concocting half decade conspiracies against him.

 

[fskimospy]

I wish all stricken with any form of cancer well, I hope for more good stories than sad endings. No qualifiers. I think *you* have been led by misinformation in regards to your political views. As much as we disagree, I still wish you well on your recovery from cancer. There is nothing political I put above our common hatred of cancer.

Better!

 

[Lanyap]

This is impressively insane. You are relying on a source that claims the Trump Tower meeting was a plot hatched by Clinton and the Russians to ensnare Trump. You guys are seriously losing touch with reality.

I love how four people accuse Kavanaugh of various sexual assaults and you guys are like ‘nah’, but you’re perfectly fine with concocting half decade conspiracies against him.

So you can't refute the details in the article? That's the problem. You come back with you people are insane but you don't refute the information. I have several posts on the issue of the two front doors. I actually pulled up and reviewed the documented remodel plans that include the before and after floor plans that make Ford's claims at least questionable. I usually research and try to find legit information about the things that I post and provide links.

 

[fskimospy]

So you can't refute the details in the article? That's the problem. You come back with you people are insane but you don't refute the information. I have several posts on the issue of the two front doors. I actually pulled up and reviewed the documented remodel plans that include the before and after floor plans that make Ford's claims at least questionable. I usually research and try to find legit information about the things that I post and provide links.

Exactly what would you like me to provide to refute it? Be specific.

The conclusions you are drawing are utterly unwarranted from the information presented. It’s insane conspiracy theorizing.

 

[Thebobo]

Not suprisingly, your letting ignorance and emotion overwhelm you. I...................

the irony runs deep with you.

 

[Thebobo]

One thing I do know, the person that resorts to insults instead of intellect has already lost the argument. That's because there is no reason to place any credence on what they have to say. You may have had a point, but you just gave away any credibility you may have had.

Well I thought old you were a wise old man with a basement.

And far as the lecture nope, these folks are past that. As far as name calling your post is directed at the wrong persons.

 

[Thebobo]

Also, fskimospy is really cementing himself as a real piece of shit in this forum.

Hey Olds. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One thing I do know, the person that resorts to insults instead of intellect has already lost the argument. That's because there is no reason to place any credence on what they have to say. You may have had a point, but you just gave away any credibility you may have had.

Irony

 

[Moonbeam]

the irony runs deep with you.

Yup, we can always take the argument to a deeper level and state that neuroscience has peer reviewed proven that it is conservatives more than liberals who rationalize away realities that upset their feelings. The typical emotion if fear of the unpleasant and the part of the brain that does this is larger in self proclaimed conservatives, while the part of the brain that suppress and keeps emotions out of reality thinking is larger among self described liberals. These are two survival techniques, the ancient one, he who hesitates is foo, and the one that evolved with forward rational thinking in the frontal lobes, the ability to predict the future which says look before you leap.

Sadly, of course for conservatives, the more reality pushes back on their delusion bubbles, the more powerful their belief in them becomes. I believe that can be accounted for because fear is created by stress. Fear is the state of emotional death where feeling is at maximum suppression. It is the dead who do not feel and and the emotional condition of those in fear. Thus what we fear isn't death but the realization we are already dead.

In order to master fear one needs control over one's paranoia and thus it is that conservatives especially crave power. They are fighting for their lives in the form of the suppression of the fact they are emotionally unfeeling. Of course that is the very thing that makes them monsters because they see threat everywhere. It is also the force that drives them further and further to the right as their anxiety of the danger of ideological taint grows. This is why we say that conservatives eat their children. The greater the separation from reality the more insane one becomes.

This fear will drive a culture to dictatorship and then the fear of coup from within until, in an idealized picture of where this leads there is one last man on who is King of the Hill. Before that, of course, will come the death of billions. And all of this will happen in the name of the good, the perfect as conceived in an altered reality.

 

[Paratus]

This belongs in the other thread.

It appears that way. Weeks before the infamous May 2012 therapist meeting when she talked about the assault for the first time in 30 years and named Kavanaugh it was predicted that if a republican won he would nominate Kavanaugh to the SC. And we now know that the second front door narrative was not true since she had two doors for egress in the new master bedroom which is where she told a friend who made a statement that she wanted two doors of egress. We also know that the therapist the Ford's bought the house from continued to work out of the old master bedroom at the front of the house where the second front door was eventually installed.


https://www.realclearinvestigations...uments_undermine_fords_exit_door_account.html



Example
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/26/holding-court
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Curious. So do you have a hypothesis as to what her motive was that caused her to seek out the therapist when Kavanaughs name started popping up in the news back in 2012?

What about her motives to appear before the judicial committee?

 

[Perknose]

You had cancer? As much as I'd like you to stop voting, I hope you were able to reap the benefits of our healthcare system and I truly do hope you make or have made a full recovery. May the added years and life experience bring you a wisdom that you do not currently possess...

I have no suitable words to describe my revulsion for your absolute lack of empathy or grace. If you had the integrity and heart to see yourself you would never make a post like this. Apparently, you lack both.

 

[Jaskalas]

You're revolted over clumsiness?

It does not appear to be a lack of sincerity, but a lack of societal norms on how to convey shared principles. Some expectation of yours that is not met. "Other" people should not be disgusting or revolting. Not when the gist of it is on point.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Never had civics, but had social studies and a good portion was dedicated to understanding how our government functioned.

Also, fskimospy is really cementing himself as a real piece of shit in this forum.

Nope, not really. He is actually one of the very very very few left leaning people here that are actually able to give competent arguments instead of just irrational stupidity and shouting.

 

[FerrelGeek]

'Credibly accused' is the operative phrase here. Ford was simply not credible by any stretch. The type of reality which you propose would devolve into a hellish existence. I hate this person, so I'm going to ruin there life. I don't even have to prove anything, I just have to accuse said person and be vaguely credible long enough to screw said person. Yeah, sign me up for that, brother.

If Kavanaugh had been a dem appointee and those on the left knew he was solidly in their camp re. judicial philosophy, and the equivalent of Ford showed up accusing said candidate of something he did as a young adult, she'd have been savaged by the usual suspects on the left.

You simply can't have a prayer of a properly functioning society if an accusation is a virtual assignment of guilt.

It’s always nice to see this sense of entitlement. I’m sure you wouldn’t apply it to private business but for some reason you think it applies to lifetime, unreviewable jobs.

I have no doubt that if someone were applying to a job at some random business and then was credibly accused of attempted rape you would vehemently defend the right of the business not to hire them. It just shows how you clowns are tribal, not legal.

 

[fskimospy]

'Credibly accused' is the operative phrase here. Ford was simply not credible by any stretch. The type of reality which you propose would devolve into a hellish existence. I hate this person, so I'm going to ruin there life. I don't even have to prove anything, I just have to accuse said person and be vaguely credible long enough to screw said person. Yeah, sign me up for that, brother.

If Kavanaugh had been a dem appointee and those on the left knew he was solidly in their camp re. judicial philosophy, and the equivalent of Ford showed up accusing said candidate of something he did as a young adult, she'd have been savaged by the usual suspects on the left.

You simply can't have a prayer of a properly functioning society if an accusation is a virtual assignment of guilt.

The point was CREDIBLE and Ford was. I previously linked an evaluation by a sexual assault prosecutor that agreed.

 

[fskimospy]

Regardless, Kavanaugh was disqualified by his false statements under oath.

 

[Perknose]

I am curious because it seems to me, "innocent until proven guilty" is no longer a factor in the United States. My question is, when did that change and why would a free society accept that change?

It changed irrevocably during the 2016 Presidential election, when an ignorant and immoral charlatan led ravenously cheering crowds of civics-challenged yahoos in a certain chant:

I am a bit astounded it took you two long years to finally issue your pious and heartfelt pronunciamento, but good on 'ya for finally coming forward.

Given your stated concern, I fully expect you to respond right here in this thread specifically decrying President Trump's dangerous demagoguery.

Olds, please stand up and do the right thing. Otherwise folks might just conclude that you're a flaming hypocrite too stupidly blinded by your own partisan ignorance to understand the howling irony inherent in your OP. That would be regrettable.

The ball is in your court and the time is now.

Better Nate than lever.

 

[rise]

Seems to me there is too much of a "check box" learning method whereas there is little discussion among students and teachers about what they are actually learning, or trying to learn about.

 

[Atreus21]

It sounds like you are probably mistaken as to the standard of proof required to have the government incarcerate someone against their will and the standard of proof for the government to decline to give someone a lifetime position of enormous, unreviewable power.

Personally, I would suggest taking a few more civics classes as they would clear up that difference pretty easily.

He's not at all mistaken. In any context outside of Stalinist states, the burden of proof falls on the accuser.

 

[fskimospy]

He's not at all mistaken. In any context outside of Stalinist states, the burden of proof falls on the accuser.

He’s very mistaken and it appears you are too. The only question here is if the accusation was credible enough to deny employment and no objective person would deny that. If an identical situation came up where you or I were up for a job we would almost certainly not get it and you know it. If anything he should be held to a much higher standard than we would be, not a much lower one.

Regardless, I think we both agree that Kavanaugh should not have been confirmed due to his numerous false statements under oath, whether you accept Ford’s statements kind of doesn’t matter, considering the lies.

 

[Atreus21]

He’s very mistaken and it appears you are too. The only question here is if the accusation was credible enough to deny employment and no objective person would deny that.

Sure they would. I don't see how any objective person could possibly come to any other conclusion. A 36 year old allegation with no corroborating evidence, marvelously vague on details, for which the accuser has given conflicting information, and of which the few witnesses available have no recollection, doesn't bring the word "credible" to mind.

If an identical situation came up where you or I were up for a job we would almost certainly not get it and you know it. If anything he should be held to a much higher standard than we would be, not a much lower one.

I don't know that. If I were interviewing a completely qualified candidate for a position when, at the last possible second, someone burst on the scene with (1) a 36-year-old allegation with no supporting information apart from an impassioned plea and (2) a definite interest in seeing the candidate not get the job, I would be suspicious not of the candidate but the accuser and his or her motives.

Regardless, I think we both agree that Kavanaugh should not have been confirmed due to his numerous false statements under oath, whether you accept Ford’s statements kind of doesn’t matter, considering the lies.

I'm sorry but we don't agree. You guys keep trying to get mileage off this line of attack but it's sheer nonsense.