I am an Atheist

undeclared

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Story starting and ending between 2 years ago and 3 years ago.

I have been to the extremes of religion I suppose you would say.

Fearing sin and not letting myself live my own life the way I wanted to, because some big dude over my head said it was bad and there was repercussions.

Doing things like:

- formatting a hard drive and getting rid of all my pirated software
- throwing out 20 burned DVDs with movies
- Not going into someones car because they MIGHT have mp3s on their mp3-cd player

I have to say, trying to conform to religion and to actually try to be 100% on the "right side" is not an easy thing, even slightly trying.

I prayed every day, feeling personal guilt if I didn't, just because I wanted to be at that level.

Living a life by fear - I would not let myself do anything because everything I wanted to do was either illegal, had the concept of me being in a situation which I had more control over (eg playing UT2004 with my brother who has paid for ut2004 but not for windows.. oh no, I can't do that, I'm contributing to his sin or letting him which was probably a sin in my mind)..

You might see a pattern here of doing things I didn't enjoy, didn't want to do, but was compelled to do only by some psychotic fear of hell or something like it.


Many people I know who were supportive people were trying to tell me this was bad, cause yes this is a psychotic thing (but imagine you actually fear hell to the point say.. any Christian priest would like you to -- not that my religion is Christianity, but for arguments sake let's say it can be similar)

thousand+ year old scriptures that told you be righteous, don't do this, don't do that..

if I didn't follow this sense of logic that applied maybe 1000 years ago, but BARELY today, I would go to hell and whatever.

Long story short, one day I snapped because this so-called religion wasn't bringing me food on my plate, wasn't making me happy. My prayers weren't answered unless I had faith in my prayers, so who was answering them, me or God?

I snapped, and hated everything to do with all this unwilling ******. If I let it win, I could never be happy.

A few months later, I really reflected and I learned:

- religion uses false positives to teach you negative stereotypes of average people

- religion is either extreme pleasure (eg, I go there to feel happy) or fear based or thirdly.. FEAR OF PARENTS BASED! (not applicable to me though...although I sort of still do stuff just not to let them know how I really feel about religion)

- pleasure based religion is basically more or less someone going into their own fantasy world and believing everything is great, looking into things and ALLOWING themselves to make positive thoughts out of previously negative things because they allow themselves to do this IF AND ONLY IF they personally believe they have done something good, or gotten forgiveness, or become holy by doing some crap (and by crap it could be anything, but it just has to represent ANYTHING that feels to the person like a real important thing)

- fear based religion.. well it's very obviously a tactic to do "what you're supposed to do" but what you're supposed to do is very obviously go by a moral standard too high for anyone, even the most religious to uphold, and is TOTALLY impossible for anyone to attain. Fear based religion is how they recruit people to get afraid of crap that makes absolutely no freaking sense.

- you're a bad person cause you sin? You think cause you download mp3s that makes you a bad person? or movies? or games? Man, lemme tell you.. what do YOU think, cause that's all that matters. They'll still make their billions anyway, don't worry, and you don't have to go to a movie or buy a movie to feel morally superior or to do the right thing. Secondly, on this same subject.. you're not going into EB Games, grabbing a title, and running your ass off (or a music store, or etc...). You are taking a copy of something which was paid for, which whoever paid for it, probably got ripped off anyway -- don't tell me this ****** isn't overpriced, cause it is and always has been IMO.. ($70 for a single player game that I'll finish in 2 days, $15 a CD that I might get bored of quick, etc...)


- everyone has morals ANYWAY, and religion does not remind nor reflect nor do jack to change people

- religion does not make you moral, does not make you good, just makes you go around in a circle in order to believe you are
- religious people are NOT EXTREMELY GOOD PEOPLE! They are just people. They are assholes, and they are nice people, and they are weirdos you don't want to hang out with and should avoid like the plague (yes, admit it.. you find them super weird)


Most importantly and ABOVE ALL:
Only you can judge yourself. Are you an asshole, or a good person? Do you have a problem with it, yes or no? If you don't, then who the ****** cares. If you've been an asshole, wanna fix it? Well, fix it. But don't make religion fool you that you NEED to fix it. Did the person deserve what they got when you did such and such and would you do it again? if so, then maybe they deserved it.

If I was born in India, and I was born Hindu. I'd worship cows. If I was born in North America a Christian, I'd worship god and jesus. if I was born in ... as a ..., don't think that I wouldn't believe in the beliefs of my parents, etc..

95% of the population of the world believing in a higher power of any sort mean there is one? Or is it just easier to do that, and not go outside your box where you are safe and life is a movie where good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people, cause that ain't reality, and it never will be.

I think many of you need to understand this. People are suffering delusions in MASS proportions. You are all crazy at the same time, therefore you find it creditable.

I want to note this: and it's more important than the above..

it wasn't the experience that turned me into an atheist

it was ALLOWING myself to see religion and being honest with myself about it. Everyone knows that Hindus believe in many gods, Buddhists believe in many gods, Christians believe, Jews believe, etc... well it was allowing myself to step out of my shoes and notice that if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.
 

BudAshes

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This just proves how fvcking nuts we all are. People think religion is real mainly because so many other people agree with them.
 
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Originally posted by: BudAshes
This just proves how fvcking nuts we all are. People think religion is real mainly because so many other people agree with them.

Uh, no, it proves that people are freaking nuts on both sides of the issue.

Jesus dined at a prostitute's house and this guy can't ride in a car with pirated MP3s? He has no grasp of Christianity....not of atheism it seems. :thumbsup:
 

SVT Cobra

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Hi. Bye. No one cares.


BTW to be considered an Atheist, you have to be smart. You are not, so go do something else.
 

Sqube

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Your personal experience with religion was unfortunate. If I saw religion through that lens, I don't doubt that I would have become an atheist as well.

You might want to reconsider the notion that you have to be perfect in order to be religious. You're probably firmly set in your atheist ways at this point, and I don't have the knowledge, ability, or (to be perfectly blunt) inclination to even attempt to convert you. I would just recommend that you consider the possibility that your interpretation of religion (whether yours, family's, whatever) might not have been the best way to go about it.

That's all. Good luck with that whole life thing.
 

Greyd

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Wow....as a Christian, if I had to live your life - I wouldn't want to be Christian either. There are alot of misconceptions you seem to have about what it means to be a Christian. Being "good" and living a life of good works shouldn't be your motivator. Christian life isn't about doing enough good things to be a Christian. That trap that all Christians struggle with is one that will just make you bitter. It is a life of legalism and a crappy one at that.
 

mercanucaribe

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Whether or not gods exist has nothing to do with wether it's easier for you to believe in one and avoid 'sin" at all costs, or not believe in one and live a normal life.
 

freakflag

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Dude, your problem is not religion. It's that you're an extremist. You just need to settle down. Smoke a doobie or something.
 

Oceandevi

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You missed the whole point. God loves you and you can do whatever the hell you want. Just feel bad afterwards ask for a cookie... I mean forgiveness.
 

undeclared

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I want to note this: and it's more important than the above..

it wasn't the experience that turned me into an atheist

it was ALLOWING myself to see religion and being honest with myself about it. Everyone knows that Hindus believe in many gods, Buddhists believe in many gods, Christians believe, Jews believe, etc... well it was allowing myself to step out of my shoes and notice that if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.
 

jjones

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So I don't get it. Just because you couldn't follow some religious protocol you decided there wasn't a god? Why not just shrug off the religious nonsense and spend some time comtemplating the existance of god outside of any religious dogma? I think then you can decide if you're an athiest or not.
 
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Originally posted by: xtwells
if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does.
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: xtwells
if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does.

Inconceivable!
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Hi. Bye. No one cares.


BTW to be considered an Atheist, you have to be smart. You are not, so go do something else.

Hahaha...that's sig material right there folks!
 

Isla

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Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: xtwells
if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does.

Inconceivable!


As you wish!!!!!
 

jagec

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You have screwed-up views on life.

Originally posted by: xtwells
it was ALLOWING myself to see religion and being honest with myself about it. Everyone knows that Hindus believe in many gods, Buddhists believe in many gods, Christians believe, Jews believe, etc... well it was allowing myself to step out of my shoes and notice that if everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.

:confused:Possibly stemming from your screwed-up grasp on logic.

Dude, if ATOT....ATOT....is telling you that your reasons for rejecting God are flawed, you know you did something wrong!:)
 

LtPage1

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Wow. The problem here isn't religion, it's you. You're just crazy. If digital piracy makes you feel that guilty, then you consider it to be wrong, regardless of what god you believe in. If something's wrong, then something is wrong- I fail to see what you believing or not believing in God has to do with anything.

Also, you're insane. Did I say that already?

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Originally posted by: xtwellsif everyone had their own belief, and to everyone, their belief was not only true but would even maybe go on the defensive vs another.. then none of them can logically be real.

Okay, not only are you missing the entire point, but really? I mean, really. No one is this dumb.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: scott
I can't fathom how anyone could not be overwhelmed by awareness of the obvious presence of the Divine in everything.

Here's a brief interesting comment on atheism:
Joseph Campbell snipett

You completely misinterpreted what Joseph Campbell says.

"Half the world is made up of people who believe their metaphors are facts. Those are what we call theists. The other half are people who know that the metaphors are not fact, they're lies. Those are the atheists".