I am a U.S. Soldier.

[NOX]

I hear US and UK a lot. Don't for get we also have our Aussie brothers and sisters serving in this war too.

 

[Dangermouse33]

Originally posted by: Richdog
Other U.S. Soldier codes...

I will fire without thinking and just pray that the target isn't an ally.

I will try not to think.

At least we know what codes You live by ya punk.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
To any person in the armed forces, active or reserve no matter what your rank, no matter what your job is, thank you.

hear hear!

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Richdog
Other U.S. Soldier codes...

I will fire without thinking and just pray that the target isn't an ally.

I will try not to think.

I will never understand people who pick on the pawns.[/q

You may have just proven his point.

 

[Beefy]

I really hate to get all anti-American (I'm Canadian myself) but I find a few things wrong with the whole concept of total utter respect for your armed forces. I see "fighting for my country" as doing something that will clearly DEFEND the well being of my country and my fellow men and in the situation with Iraq, I find that there's very little defense going on at all. It seems like the whole "Soldiers Code" is just something to inspire a sense of meaning in, and to justify a situation where you are in fact taking an offense to better the Corporate and Global Power of your nation.

Now I know that a lot has changed in the past 60 years but American attitude and patriotism is something that has stayed the same or grown for many. But consider World War III, how long did it take for the US to come in and give us a hand in the war in Europe and consider what it took. A full frontal assault on Pearl Harbour by the Japaneese. For FIVE YEARS the US stayed out of the war because they didn't consider it their problem, while Canada, the UK and the rest of our allies took a beating. And why? Because untill the attack a PH, there was no threat to the US and no profitable gain from fighting in the war. Now I find it hard to believe that after so little has changed in the attitudes of American Politics and American Policy, the US would make war in Iraq because they felt "It was a threat against the world and the people of our nation because they may have had the capabilities of beginning to rebuild a chemical armory". I see the war as a large, unfriendly, unpopular, crap disturbing hostile takeover (in the corporate business world sense of the word).

A lot of people mock Canadians because of our armies lack of supreme fire power and make comparisons of our views compared to the absolute patriotism of many Americans but the truth is, we do love our country very much and because we believe in our policy/actions, we dont' feel the need to scream our patriotism to world; we know who we are and what we support and thats enough. When we do have conficts in policy or actions, I love the fact that we eagerly take to the streets and through many protest and open opinions, make a difference in our lives. For the same reasons, I truly commend the MASSIVE rallies in California and New York for their outward cry that WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

To really sum up my feelings, I'd really like to hear a soldier admit that the war on Iraq is not a good thing and that it should not be happening, to admit that just because they are a member of the worlds most powerfull armored hand, it doesn't justify the actions of themselves or their fellow patriots.



I apologize if some of this doesn't make sense when written down, I've never really been good at articulating how I feel but with the case of the past few weeks, I've really been trying to write how I feel to encourage my thinking and to encourage others to explore the situation outside of the media and propaganda.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool

Originally posted by: Richdog
I will never understand people who pick on the pawns.

because it causes all sorts of trouble when people start acting like pawns.

 

[arcitech2]

Some times we have to do what is right, even if the whole world is against us. Read the story, and the quote, on this link
http://www.usflag.org/,
and then let me know how you feel about our country, and soldiers like Mrpilot007 and my brother. I've been in the Navy for 15 years, and I never once refused to do my job. I'm sworn to protect and defend our constitution, so that every American can keep his right to differ with my choice. I and my fellow Airmen, Soldiers, and Sailors are here for you wether you like it or not.

Link

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: Beefy
I really hate to get all anti-American (I'm Canadian myself) but I find a few things wrong with the whole concept of total utter respect for your armed forces. I see "fighting for my country" as doing something that will clearly DEFEND the well being of my country and my fellow men and in the situation with Iraq, I find that there's very little defense going on at all. It seems like the whole "Soldiers Code" is just something to inspire a sense of meaning in, and to justify a situation where you are in fact taking an offense to better the Corporate and Global Power of your nation.

Now I know that a lot has changed in the past 60 years but American attitude and patriotism is something that has stayed the same or grown for many. But consider World War III, how long did it take for the US to come in and give us a hand in the war in Europe and consider what it took. A full frontal assault on Pearl Harbour by the Japaneese. For FIVE YEARS the US stayed out of the war because they didn't consider it their problem, while Canada, the UK and the rest of our allies took a beating. And why? Because untill the attack a PH, there was no threat to the US and no profitable gain from fighting in the war. Now I find it hard to believe that after so little has changed in the attitudes of American Politics and American Policy, the US would make war in Iraq because they felt "It was a threat against the world and the people of our nation because they may have had the capabilities of beginning to rebuild a chemical armory". I see the war as a large, unfriendly, unpopular, crap disturbing hostile takeover (in the corporate business world sense of the word).

A lot of people mock Canadians because of our armies lack of supreme fire power and make comparisons of our views compared to the absolute patriotism of many Americans but the truth is, we do love our country very much and because we believe in our policy/actions, we dont' feel the need to scream our patriotism to world; we know who we are and what we support and thats enough. When we do have conficts in policy or actions, I love the fact that we eagerly take to the streets and through many protest and open opinions, make a difference in our lives. For the same reasons, I truly commend the MASSIVE rallies in California and New York for their outward cry that WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER.

To really sum up my feelings, I'd really like to hear a soldier admit that the war on Iraq is not a good thing and that it should not be happening, to admit that just because they are a member of the worlds most powerfull armored hand, it doesn't justify the actions of themselves or their fellow patriots.



I apologize if some of this doesn't make sense when written down, I've never really been good at articulating how I feel but with the case of the past few weeks, I've really been trying to write how I feel to encourage my thinking and to encourage others to explore the situation outside of the media and propaganda.

may I ask why you don't question the motives of the French or Germans? They have billions in deals with Saddam waiting for sanctions to end to kick in, do you think those had nothing to do with their eforts to have the sanctions lifted earlier? Or their efforts to keep Saddam in power at all costs. They don't get paid if he goes down, so who is acting out of their own financial interests? France is trying to demand to be part of the rebuilding now, we see what motivates them to action, money.
I doubt the Iraqi people want to give their money to ocuntries that conspired against the will of the UN, violated UN resolutions they themselves signed, and used every bit of their power to keep Saddam in his...

Why is the US going in now? 9/11 made us decide to root out terrorism rather than just sitting back and waiting for the next attack. The terrorist camp we destroyed, the one in Iraq we now occupy and found documents possibly linking Bin Laden and possible Chem/Bio weapons or instruements should be enough to convince you of his terorist ties. His willingness to use the WMD he admits he had, but could never prove their destruction, tells you how little of a problem he would have supplying ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on mainlaind US. SARS came to the US from Canada, do you think if Saddam gave some wacko a bio weapon it would STOP at the Canadian border?...Our security interest in this case is yours as well.

 

[Beefy]

Originally posted by: arcitech2
Some times we have to do what is right, even if the whole world is against us. Read the story, and the quote, on this link
http://www.usflag.org/,
and then let me know how you feel about our country, and soldiers like Mrpilot007 and my brother. I've been in the Navy for 15 years, and I never once refused to do my job. I'm sworn to protect and defend our constitution, so that every American can keep his right to differ with my choice. I and my fellow Airmen, Soldiers, and Sailors are here for you wether you like it or not.

I think you're proving the point I was trying to make, there is very little free will, free thought or protection of the constitution when you say "Yes sir!" because you feel it is right to follow orders no matter what.

Originally posted by: Alistar7
may I ask why you don't question the motives of the French or Germans? They have billions in deals with Saddam waiting for sanctions to end to kick in, do you think those had nothing to do with their eforts to have the sanctions lifted earlier? Or their efforts to keep Saddam in power at all costs. They don't get paid if he goes down, so who is acting out of their own financial interests? France is trying to demand to be part of the rebuilding now, we see what motivates them to action, money.
I doubt the Iraqi people want to give their money to ocuntries that conspired against the will of the UN, violated UN resolutions they themselves signed, and used every bit of their power to keep Saddam in his...

Why is the US going in now? 9/11 made us decide to root out terrorism rather than just sitting back and waiting for the next attack. The terrorist camp we destroyed, the one in Iraq we now occupy and found documents possibly linking Bin Laden and possible Chem/Bio weapons or instruements should be enough to convince you of his terorist ties. His willingness to use the WMD he admits he had, but could never prove their destruction, tells you how little of a problem he would have supplying ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on mainlaind US. SARS came to the US from Canada, do you think if Saddam gave some wacko a bio weapon it would STOP at the Canadian border?...Our security interest in this case is yours as well.

I agree that yes, France and other countries may have other motives for staying out of the war but it still doesn't excuse America from starting the war in the first place because they felt threatened by the possibilty that Saddam may have weapons of mass destruction. There's so many and/if/maybes/etc... behind the basis of this war that the whole concept of "preventing possible atrocities against Americans" seems entrirely fictional. And there is NO eveidence that Iraq had ANY connection to Al Queda or any other terrorist faction. Months ago when the whole concept of the war started, good ol' Dubwa Bush tried to prove the psosibilty of a connection and was promptly struck down by every opposition in the world for the BS evidence provided. Notice how it's something the WHite House hasn't mentioned in the past 3 months except for when they find a glimmer of hope of backing up their stories, and even then it drops away in mere hours when people realize there was no foundation to begin with.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: NOX
I hear US and UK a lot. Don't for get we also have our Aussie brothers and sisters serving in this war too.

Along with Poles , Spanish (their Navy) and Dutch (their Navy too) We also have Chek and other Eastern Euro troops over their helping out with Chemical and Biological weapon detection. I'm sure there are even more Special Ops from some of our Nato Allies who wish to be anonymous because of the unpopularity of this war in their homeland. Hell even Columbia is signed on with us.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Beefy

Originally posted by: arcitech2
Some times we have to do what is right, even if the whole world is against us. Read the story, and the quote, on this link
http://www.usflag.org/,
and then let me know how you feel about our country, and soldiers like Mrpilot007 and my brother. I've been in the Navy for 15 years, and I never once refused to do my job. I'm sworn to protect and defend our constitution, so that every American can keep his right to differ with my choice. I and my fellow Airmen, Soldiers, and Sailors are here for you wether you like it or not.

I think you're proving the point I was trying to make, there is very little free will, free thought or protection of the constitution when you say "Yes sir!" because you feel it is right to follow orders no matter what.

Originally posted by: Alistar7
may I ask why you don't question the motives of the French or Germans? They have billions in deals with Saddam waiting for sanctions to end to kick in, do you think those had nothing to do with their eforts to have the sanctions lifted earlier? Or their efforts to keep Saddam in power at all costs. They don't get paid if he goes down, so who is acting out of their own financial interests? France is trying to demand to be part of the rebuilding now, we see what motivates them to action, money.
I doubt the Iraqi people want to give their money to ocuntries that conspired against the will of the UN, violated UN resolutions they themselves signed, and used every bit of their power to keep Saddam in his...

Why is the US going in now? 9/11 made us decide to root out terrorism rather than just sitting back and waiting for the next attack. The terrorist camp we destroyed, the one in Iraq we now occupy and found documents possibly linking Bin Laden and possible Chem/Bio weapons or instruements should be enough to convince you of his terorist ties. His willingness to use the WMD he admits he had, but could never prove their destruction, tells you how little of a problem he would have supplying ANYONE that would be willing to unleash them on mainlaind US. SARS came to the US from Canada, do you think if Saddam gave some wacko a bio weapon it would STOP at the Canadian border?...Our security interest in this case is yours as well.

I agree that yes, France and other countries may have other motives for staying out of the war but it still doesn't excuse America from starting the war in the first place because they felt threatened by the possibilty that Saddam may have weapons of mass destruction. There's so many and/if/maybes/etc... behind the basis of this war that the whole concept of "preventing possible atrocities against Americans" seems entrirely fictional. And there is NO eveidence that Iraq had ANY connection to Al Queda or any other terrorist faction. Months ago when the whole concept of the war started, good ol' Dubwa Bush tried to prove the psosibilty of a connection and was promptly struck down by every opposition in the world for the BS evidence provided. Notice how it's something the WHite House hasn't mentioned in the past 3 months except for when they find a glimmer of hope of backing up their stories, and even then it drops away in mere hours when people realize there was no foundation to begin with.

Didn't Canada send us indirect support for the war in Iraq? Correct me if I'm wrong, heard a rumor about that...