I am a liberal lefty BUT.... ["Fake News"]

[[DHT]Osiris]

Technically he las the legal right to declassify anything but there is a process to do so which involves Intel people vetting. Trump has committed malpractice. Example Trump has the legal right to fire a nuke. If he does it will the response be " well he has the legal right". A doctor has the right to administer drugs before getting lab reports. If doing so causes adverse results that can be deemed malpractice

This guy treats our allies like shit while buddying up with our enemies

Yeah, and there's still a problem with this because while he may be 'in the legal right' to declassify this stuff, there's the potential for VERY severe consequences, as you were hinting at. Like people murdered in the field or fed false information that leads to worse consequences. Passing TS info to Russia is just not something you do. It's phenomenally irresponsible.

 

[HomerJS]

The current mega-bold headlines about "TRUMP SHARED CLASSIFIED INFO WITH RUSSIANS" to me seem ridiculously blown out of proportion.

There. I said it.

Yes he technically "shared classified information". Terrorists are considering laptops to smuggle explosives on planes. (It's so classified, you and me know about it for 2+ years already).

He "sorta" shared classified information, but nothing which surprised me in the slightest, just yet another idiocy by the mindless idiot among many other daily idiocies, which was totally expected to happen anyway.

The report now at the WaPo and then the echoes of the report on CNN etc. seem very "forced" to me (mind you, I am NOT saying "fake news"), but as if some journalist(s) who "really don't like Trump" were just sooooo happy to craft a "bomb of a news report" at all costs from what IN ESSENCE is an almost "trivial" event, in a certain way.

The deal is, by blowing things very much up and exaggerating this daily idiocy of the orange monkey, the WaPo and all the other "liberal media" don't exactly built credibility. Worse, I see myself slowly believing that some of the conservatives screaming "fake news" could at times even be right. This is not good!

This could ultimately fire backwards and NOT benefit the cause of those who really would want Trump gone.

Also....same feelings with the "Russian collusion". The investigation about this collusion is going on for an awfully long time. Where are the hard facts? Trump seems awfully confident tweeting about these "fake news" and I start to wonder whether he'd really be so confident doing if there really WAS collusion going on to the extent we are told.

When the lefty reporting (amazing I am using this expression even....) about classified information and Russian collusion etc. would crumble and turn out nothing but hot air without substance (or at least turns out heavily exaggerated) ...and Trump boasts how right he was ...this is NOT helping "our side".

--> Do you really think that the idiot mentioning to the Russians that terrorists are using laptops for bombs is worth 3" headlines?

If this is so overblown why did White House attempt to scrub the exchange from the official records??

 

[Meghan54]

If this is so overblown why did White House attempt to scrub the exchange from the official records??

This, and why has no one from the administration denied what the headline says? So far, all they've done is dance right around it, denying everything else except what the WaPo article actually says.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Unless you are privy to the information and was at the meeting, I don't see how anyone can judge whether the information shared was integral to national security.

http://www.newsweek.com/us-officials-warned-israel-not-share-sensitive-intel-trump-609782

The effect of Trump's actions have consequences beyond whether it has immediate level effects. The above is an example of a second level issue which harms us simply by verifying intel provided by others. Why does that matter?

Edit- linky broken

This is a perfectly predictable outcome, where nations informed by or service or not will hesitate in sharing information because we cannot be trusted. Why do they care? It's just a slip. No, it's a breach of protocol at the least which endangers the operations and informants of another nation. It would be in their best interest to share little instead of assuming we will be responsible.

That results in easily foreseeable damage to our national security.

 

[Phokus]

Even McMaster said Trump didn't reveal anything important/integral to anything, according to the article in that thread. Regressives love their fake news.

McMaster didn't deny anything in the washpo article

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...sified-information-denial-20170515-story.html

 

[Pens1566]

Beyond the specific details that he conveyed, and they're apparently quite specific given that the WP was asked not to print them, there are huge fucking ramifications to this going forward.

First, whoever gave us the info is likely done doing so. Second, a great amount of effort will be expended to exfil the original asset before ISIS beheads him/her on camera. Third, other partner nations will be less likely to share any sensitive info with us in the future if we can't keep it under wraps. Fourth, good luck to any station chiefs that have to explain this to their local counterparts. Fifth, good luck to anyone actively working a foreign asset in the field. They're going to disappear and years of expensive work is flushed down the toilet.

All of that because the orange meat sack wanted to impress his handlers.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Beyond the specific details that he conveyed, and they're apparently quite specific given that the WP was asked not to print them, there are huge fucking ramifications to this going forward.

First, whoever gave us the info is likely done doing so. Second, a great amount of effort will be expended to exfil the original asset before ISIS beheads him/her on camera. Third, other partner nations will be less likely to share any sensitive info with us in the future if we can't keep it under wraps. Fourth, good luck to any station chiefs that have to explain this to their local counterparts. Fifth, good luck to anyone actively working a foreign asset in the field. They're going to disappear and years of expensive work is flushed down the toilet.

All of that because the orange meat sack wanted to impress his handlers.

ISIS doesn't need to have the asset. All they need is some SOB and say he's it then cut his head off. Your fourth point regarding intelligence counterparts- That won't be a issue because what they won't do is cover for DC, explicitly Trump, because they all know the score. The Boss is an idiot and you try to work around it, not justify. The latter would be even more damaging to field relationships. Of course our foreign associates will be far more cautious, but that can't be helped. We'd do the same.

 

[Pens1566]

ISIS doesn't need to have the asset. All they need is some SOB and say he's it then cut his head off. Your fourth point regarding intelligence counterparts- That won't be a issue because what they won't do is cover for DC, explicitly Trump, because they all know the score. The Boss is an idiot and you try to work around it, not justify. The latter would be even more damaging to field relationships. Of course our foreign associates will be far more cautious, but that can't be helped. We'd do the same.

Agree on ISIS to an extent. What they will do is kill anyone that could even remotely be the source. Lessens the pool for possibilities in the future. And, they get the propaganda they like.

Disagree on 4. They will have to "explain themselves" as part of the clean up. Not covering, but attempting to repair.

 

[Grooveriding]

It sounds like you are getting desensitized to what a total fuck up Trump is. Which is not surprising, without embellishment, he fucks up constantly. The idiot President of a significantly idiotic base.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Agree on ISIS to an extent. What they will do is kill anyone that could even remotely be the source. Lessens the pool for possibilities in the future. And, they get the propaganda they like.

Disagree on 4. They will have to "explain themselves" as part of the clean up. Not covering, but attempting to repair.

The problem with 4 is that it's not something that can be done at the field level. Handlers will dictate actions by high level decision makers and that's what I meant. Everyone knows that it's not our intel agencies who are responsible but are equally aware that we as a nation have become "perfidious Albion" and no amount of convincing down the chain will help. We're pretty much on the same page, just looking at different aspects of this clusterfuck.

Sucks, eh?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

What's more interesting is that Hilary's 30 thousand deleted E-mails had classified information. Fake news? You betcha!

yea, we dodged that fucking bullet, thank fsm!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm just showing that there is great hypocrisy that is all.

Your avatar looks like shit BTW.

well it is drumpf, so the resemblance to shit is pretty much a given.

 

[zinfamous]

Even McMaster said Trump didn't reveal anything important/integral to anything, according to the article in that thread. Regressives love their fake news.

Actually, no. McMaster didn't say that. He didn't deny a single thing that was actually reported.

 

[alien42]

What's more interesting is that Hilary's 30 thousand deleted E-mails had classified information. Fake news? You betcha!

there is absolutely no evidence that Hillary ever e-mailed anything that was classified at this level.
Hillary wasn't e-mailing classified info to the Russians

you dumb

 

[justoh]

Actually, no. McMaster didn't say that. He didn't deny a single thing that was actually reported.

Did too!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Did too!

I saw his construction. For the simple minded it was sufficient.

 

[zinfamous]

In your eyes there's a dumpster fire. In my eyes there's a great change that people don't like.

Um, both of those perspectives are 100% correct.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

McMaster just turned the story around on the press with condemning leakers. He's wonderfully evasive.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

McMaster just turned the story around on the press with condemning leakers. He's wonderfully evasive.

Something akin to this will become this generation's version of Hermann Goering's quote about patriotism from Nuremberg. If anything bad is uncovered, it's the fault of those leaking, not the fault of those doing harm.

 

[Meghan54]

Did too!

Did not. McMaster never denied what the WaPo article stated. He danced around it, played with it, but never denied it. If you have a single shred of evidence that McMaster denied Trump told the Russians highly classified and sensitive intel, please link it.

 

[sandorski]

This is a big deal, because the day previous he Fired the guy investigating him for ties to Russia. At the very least it is a very strange thing to do.

 

[Jaskalas]

Beyond the specific details that he conveyed...

From the report it sounds like Trump casually slipped the name of a city. Full stop, nothing more.
Alert the press, we have sources in... shall we guess... Raqqa? Such bigly revelations. Let's all spaz out over it.

The Wash. Post's article states clearly only that Trump discussed an Islamic State plot and the city where the plot was detected by an intelligence-gathering partner. Officials worried that this information could lead to the discovery of the methods and sources involved, but it didn't say Trump discussed them.

 

[dank69]

From the report it sounds like Trump casually slipped the name of a city. Full stop, nothing more.
Alert the press, we have sources in... shall we guess... Raqqa? Such bigly revelations. Let's all spaz out over it.

I'll alert the CIA that they can stop freaking out. Jaskalas has declared this a non-issue.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

From the report it sounds like Trump casually slipped the name of a city. Full stop, nothing more.
Alert the press, we have sources in... shall we guess... Raqqa? Such bigly revelations. Let's all spaz out over it.

They potentially could be 'bigly' revelations, depending on the nature of the plot being discussed and what city was named. Besides that, you're seemingly missing the point (either willingly or unwillingly) that he's careless and acting like a damned buffoon in what's supposed to be the most respected and powerful single position in the first world.

 

[IronWing]

Besides that, you're seemingly missing the point (either willingly or unwillingly) that he's careless and acting like a damned buffoon in what's supposed to be the most respected and powerful single position in the first world.

Relax, he's just the Pres, not the Chair of the Federal Reserve.