I am a liberal lefty BUT.... ["Fake News"]

[flexy]

The current mega-bold headlines about "TRUMP SHARED CLASSIFIED INFO WITH RUSSIANS" to me seem ridiculously blown out of proportion.

There. I said it.

Yes he technically "shared classified information". Terrorists are considering laptops to smuggle explosives on planes. (It's so classified, you and me know about it for 2+ years already).

He "sorta" shared classified information, but nothing which surprised me in the slightest, just yet another idiocy by the mindless idiot among many other daily idiocies, which was totally expected to happen anyway.

The report now at the WaPo and then the echoes of the report on CNN etc. seem very "forced" to me (mind you, I am NOT saying "fake news"), but as if some journalist(s) who "really don't like Trump" were just sooooo happy to craft a "bomb of a news report" at all costs from what IN ESSENCE is an almost "trivial" event, in a certain way.

The deal is, by blowing things very much up and exaggerating this daily idiocy of the orange monkey, the WaPo and all the other "liberal media" don't exactly built credibility. Worse, I see myself slowly believing that some of the conservatives screaming "fake news" could at times even be right. This is not good!

This could ultimately fire backwards and NOT benefit the cause of those who really would want Trump gone.

Also....same feelings with the "Russian collusion". The investigation about this collusion is going on for an awfully long time. Where are the hard facts? Trump seems awfully confident tweeting about these "fake news" and I start to wonder whether he'd really be so confident doing if there really WAS collusion going on to the extent we are told.

When the lefty reporting (amazing I am using this expression even....) about classified information and Russian collusion etc. would crumble and turn out nothing but hot air without substance (or at least turns out heavily exaggerated) ...and Trump boasts how right he was ...this is NOT helping "our side".

--> Do you really think that the idiot mentioning to the Russians that terrorists are using laptops for bombs is worth 3" headlines?

 

[justoh]

Even McMaster said Trump didn't reveal anything important/integral to anything, according to the article in that thread. Regressives love their fake news.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

It's a big deal. Minimum information was provided by WaPo and the more sensitive parts not told. A nation has operatives in ISIS in order to get this intel. They shared it with a condition of highest confidentiality which Trump decided was not important and put the people, the operation, and the intel sources at risk for their lives. If that seems to be of little importance then understand that Trump has blown the hard earned credibility of keeping intel confidential. We have agreements with other nations and have shown we cannot be trusted with just one meeting. Every intel service in the world is reassessing their relationship with us now.
It's a big deal.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Even McMaster said Trump didn't reveal anything important/integral to anything, according to the article in that thread. Regressives love their fake news.

All he did was put the operatives of another nation who trusted us at risk by sharing it with Putin who decidly has in interest in using anything he can get if it costs lives or not. Only and idiot would reveal anything much less this. If it were anyone other than the President they would be facing possible criminal repercussions.

 

[interchange]

Unless you are privy to the information and was at the meeting, I don't see how anyone can judge whether the information shared was integral to national security.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Unless you are privy to the information and was at the meeting, I don't see how anyone can judge whether the information shared was integral to national security.

WaPo detailed the nature of the information and it was confirmed by several sources. No one in the admin is denying it and Trump now seems to be on Twitter saying he did it.

 

[Paratus]

As Fski said in another thread, the president is the ultimate classifying authority. He has the ability to classify and declassify information as he sees fit. So releasing this information to the Russians is not illegal in the way it would be if anyone else in the govt had done it.

However protecting confidential sources is incredibly important especially when revealing information from them compromises them. I also understand this was a shared source. If we don't treat the information delicately then our allies will stop sharing with us to protect their sources.

As the President serves at the voters pleasure the question to us is has he been treating confidential sources with the gravitas it requires or has he been careless and increased the risk to the country?

 

[Balt]

Trump didn't deny it this morning. In fact, he pretty much admitted it.

So no, not fake news.

 

[K1052]

Unless you are privy to the information and was at the meeting, I don't see how anyone can judge whether the information shared was integral to national security.

I cannot think of any other grounds on which the WaPo would agree to withhold the details they claim to know at the government's request except due to national security concerns.

 

[cytg111]

As Fski said in another thread, the president is the ultimate classifying authority. He has the ability to classify and declassify information as he sees fit. So releasing this information to the Russians is not illegal in the way it would be if anyone else in the govt had done it.

However protecting confidential sources is incredibly important especially when revealing information from them compromises them. I also understand this was a shared source. If we don't treat the information delicately then our allies will stop sharing with us to protect their sources.

As the President serves at the voters pleasure the question to us is has he been treating confidential sources with the gravitas it requires or has he been careless and increased the risk to the country?

But can he just declassify it at a whim or is there a procedure?.. It would make sense if there was a 24h grace period or something..

 

[Fanatical Meat]

But can he just declassify it at a whim or is there a procedure?.. It would make sense if there was a 24h grace period or something..

The Presidend can declassify or classify anything at anytime for any reason to my understanding.
When we are talking Government the President is the boss of all bosses.

 

[John Connor]

What's more interesting is that Hilary's 30 thousand deleted E-mails had classified information. Fake news? You betcha!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What's more interesting is that Hilary's 30 thousand deleted E-mails had classified information. Fake news? You betcha!

Holy Shit! Good thing she's not the President deleting all that classified stuff so nobody could see it!

 

[Meghan54]

Even McMaster said Trump didn't reveal anything important/integral to anything, according to the article in that thread. Regressives love their fake news.

So, McMaster's denial of things not written about in the WaPo article is what???? Because McMaster's denial denys nothing in the WaPo article.

This is exactly what McMaster said:

There's nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false. The president and the foreign minister [Sergey Lavrov] reviewed a range of common threats to our two counties, including threats to civil aviation. At no time -- at no time -- were intelligence sources or methods discussed. And the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known. Two other senior officials who were present, including the secretary of state, remember it being the same way and have said so. Their on-the-record accounts should outweigh those of anonymous sources. And I was in the room. It didn't happen.

The Wash. Post's article states clearly only that Trump discussed an Islamic State plot and the city where the plot was detected by an intelligence-gathering partner. Officials worried that this information could lead to the discovery of the methods and sources involved, but it didn't say Trump discussed them.

McMaster's statement that "the president did not disclose any military operations that were not already publicly known" is in the same vein -- suggesting The Post has reported something that it hasn't in order to deny something. Military operations aren't even alluded to in the story.

At the end, McMaster refers to his own account and that of Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and says, "I was in the room. It didn't happen." But again, he seems to be saying that the thing that didn't happen is something The Post never actually reported.

At no point in his statement to The Post before the story went live or in his appearance in front of reporters afterward does McMaster say, 'President Trump didn't share classified information with Russia' or anything close to it.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-the-white-house-isn’t-denying-that-trump-gave-russia-classified-information-—-not-really/ar-BBBb2RF?li=BBnbcA1

 

[brycejones]

What's more interesting is that Hilary's 30 thousand deleted E-mails had classified information. Fake news? You betcha!

Trump won get over it. You own the dumpster fire now.

 

[Jaskalas]

Meghan54's supporting material above appears to support the OP and muddy the claims of how bad the disclosure is.

 

[interchange]

So, McMaster's denial of things not written about in the WaPo article is what???? Because McMaster's denial denys nothing in the WaPo article.

This is exactly what McMaster said:

There's nothing that the president takes more seriously than the security of the American people. The story that came out tonight, as reported, is false.

I'd say that's a denial about something in the article.

 

[K1052]

I'd say that's a denial about something in the article.

Do you think that's a sufficient explanation considering multiple news orgs have independently confirmed the story?

 

[John Connor]

Trump won get over it. You own the dumpster fire now.

In your eyes there's a dumpster fire. In my eyes there's a great change that people don't like.

 

[John Connor]

Holy Shit! Good thing she's not the President deleting all that classified stuff so nobody could see it!

I guess you haven't heard it was against the law to do, alone with having your own E-mail server. Never mind the countless laws she broke. I hope Trump throws her ass in jail once the new FBI director comes in.

 

[interchange]

Do you think that's a sufficient explanation considering multiple news orgs have independently confirmed the story?

No of course not. Sorry if I implied that it was.

We are in a pickle because we can't know the importance of the disclosure without knowing the disclosure itself.

Independently, any such disclosure is careless and puts us in a bad spot with our allies and an intended sharing ought to have been at least disclosed within his administration to get counsel on its implications.

So it's definitely bad, but it doesn't really mean much without knowing how bad.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I guess you haven't heard it was against the law to do, alone with having your own E-mail server. Never mind the countless laws she broke. I hope Trump throws her ass in jail once the new FBI director comes in.

Why don't you create a thread about Hillary or revive an old Hillary email thread. Why divert from the topic of this thread?

 

[John Connor]

I'm just showing that there is great hypocrisy that is all.

Your avatar looks like shit BTW.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

The current mega-bold headlines about "TRUMP SHARED CLASSIFIED INFO WITH RUSSIANS" to me seem ridiculously blown out of proportion.

There. I said it.

Yes he technically "shared classified information". Terrorists are considering laptops to smuggle explosives on planes. (It's so classified, you and me know about it for 2+ years already).

He "sorta" shared classified information, but nothing which surprised me in the slightest, just yet another idiocy by the mindless idiot among many other daily idiocies, which was totally expected to happen anyway.

The report now at the WaPo and then the echoes of the report on CNN etc. seem very "forced" to me (mind you, I am NOT saying "fake news"), but as if some journalist(s) who "really don't like Trump" were just sooooo happy to craft a "bomb of a news report" at all costs from what IN ESSENCE is an almost "trivial" event, in a certain way.

The deal is, by blowing things very much up and exaggerating this daily idiocy of the orange monkey, the WaPo and all the other "liberal media" don't exactly built credibility. Worse, I see myself slowly believing that some of the conservatives screaming "fake news" could at times even be right. This is not good!

This could ultimately fire backwards and NOT benefit the cause of those who really would want Trump gone.

Also....same feelings with the "Russian collusion". The investigation about this collusion is going on for an awfully long time. Where are the hard facts? Trump seems awfully confident tweeting about these "fake news" and I start to wonder whether he'd really be so confident doing if there really WAS collusion going on to the extent we are told.

When the lefty reporting (amazing I am using this expression even....) about classified information and Russian collusion etc. would crumble and turn out nothing but hot air without substance (or at least turns out heavily exaggerated) ...and Trump boasts how right he was ...this is NOT helping "our side".

--> Do you really think that the idiot mentioning to the Russians that terrorists are using laptops for bombs is worth 3" headlines?

Per what seems to be coming out about this meeting, it wouldn't just be 'stuff about terrorists and bombs', but more specifically source information/sources themselves. That information is TS (probably TS/SCI) as it pertains to how we obtain our information rather than just the information itself. This kind of information is held very close to the chest, and as other sources have stated, is the kind of info we don't even reveal to our allies because of the potential for damage if it's revealed accidentally/intentionally etc. And that kind of information was revealed to the Russian Government, a govt we're currently at odds with.

 

[HomerJS]

As Fski said in another thread, the president is the ultimate classifying authority. He has the ability to classify and declassify information as he sees fit. So releasing this information to the Russians is not illegal in the way it would be if anyone else in the govt had done it.

However protecting confidential sources is incredibly important especially when revealing information from them compromises them. I also understand this was a shared source. If we don't treat the information delicately then our allies will stop sharing with us to protect their sources.

As the President serves at the voters pleasure the question to us is has he been treating confidential sources with the gravitas it requires or has he been careless and increased the risk to the country?

Technically he las the legal right to declassify anything but there is a process to do so which involves Intel people vetting. Trump has committed malpractice. Example Trump has the legal right to fire a nuke. If he does it will the response be " well he has the legal right". A doctor has the right to administer drugs before getting lab reports. If doing so causes adverse results that can be deemed malpractice

This guy treats our allies like shit while buddying up with our enemies