I always said WoW was partly to blame for the decline of the gaming industry...

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: apoppin


No memorable NPC? Martin was awesome . . . Mazoga and the Adoring fan had some character . . . the #2 guy with the Stick painting in the FG . . . and Lucien . . . are you kidding? . . . . and remember the story is about YOU - the Hero of Cyrodiil.

Finally there ARE the mods . . . Oblivion will get the chance to be EXACTLY what you want.
:thumbsup:

ok . . . really finally . . . do you know any "polished" oblivion mods that add great "content" . . . yet? After i finished, i installed the "unofficialpatch" and a few mods.

Understand that I think Oblivion is a decent game, just not the top of its class. You still call the guy who comes in last at med school Doctor. I remember Mazoga, but up to the point I stopped playing, she had the slimmest of backgrounds and only little in the way of future relevence. I'm uncertain if they continued with her more or not. I never actually got to Martin either, never bothered doing the main quest, I was sidetracked with the other options. Did the same thing in Morrowind.

Just a side note though, in PS:T the story was about the Nameless One and in BG1/2/ToB the story was about you (the Bhaalspawn), and both of them had very well written NPCs.
Its harder to do good NPCs in non-party based RPG titles though.

And I don't know of any epic total conversation mods for Oblivion yet. Its a bit early for anything to be highly polished in that category as well.

the guy who comes in last at med school may well turn out to be the best doctor.

and since Oblivion is a 'solitary experience', i think they concentrated on the Main Char - not the NPCs and 'conversation'

Since you even dropped out of the MQ, i don't think your criticism is that all that valid.

oh well, i am certain there will be a total conversion mod - just for you.

 

[Fenixgoon]

as far as engaging rpg's go... Baldur's Gate2 takes the cake for me... I absolutely LOVE the characters they put in - Edwin, Minsc (and Boo), Keldorn, Anomen. Viconia isn't bad, but dear god do Aerie, Nalia, and Imoen whine. Jaheira is good too, but I always ditch her for Keldorn. The dialogue between all the characters is amazing - Edwin made fun of Minsc enough that Minsc killed him. Was funny, but I had to find myself a new caster

I really hope NWN2 = BG3.... that would be a miracle.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon


I really hope NWN2 = BG3.... that would be a miracle.

I think you'll have to wait for Bioware's Dragon Age for that. And Bioware is occupied with their Xbox 360 title Mass Effect the moment.

 

[Stuxnet]

I'm with a lot of other people here: EA killed gaming, not WoW. I got fed up some time ago and haven't looked back, minus the occassional 30 minute foray into a CSS server.

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: apoppin

"lack of dialogue"?

The player in Oblivion has no dialogue. Even though all the characters have voice acted speeches, they are empty. The player is being talked at, not engaging in a conversation. Writing good dialogue for a game, especially an RPG, is no easy task and it seems like its a dying art form today.

Edit - Obviously, Torment and BG2 are top notch games, but the graphics might be a bit dated for your taste. Explore some of the plethora of NWN modules. The NW Vault Hall of Fame is a good place to start.

Gothic 3 is the only RPG coming out in the next 12 months that has any hope of being great. If the core elements stay the same as previous Gothics and they simply update the graphics, which look fantastic in the screenshots, then it will be all that. NWN2 should be solid, probably better than the first, given the writing talent at Obsidian, but it just isn't quite deep enough for me... it lacks grit. Both PS:T and Gothic have grit while NWN and BG tend to be a little too stereotyped and trite.

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: potato28

Well... Half Life 2 was made before EA. But ya thank God for these great games!

Uhh, what?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225

Originally posted by: potato28

Well... Half Life 2 was made before EA. But ya thank God for these great games!

Uhh, what?

haha, i missed that post some how...
i don't even get the love most of the people have for certain games on this forum.
HL2, Farcry, Oblivion. they were all lackluster titles to me. maybe i'm just jaded by games now or something.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: Dethfrumbelo

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: apoppin

"lack of dialogue"?

The player in Oblivion has no dialogue. Even though all the characters have voice acted speeches, they are empty. The player is being talked at, not engaging in a conversation. Writing good dialogue for a game, especially an RPG, is no easy task and it seems like its a dying art form today.

Edit - Obviously, Torment and BG2 are top notch games, but the graphics might be a bit dated for your taste. Explore some of the plethora of NWN modules. The NW Vault Hall of Fame is a good place to start.

Gothic 3 is the only RPG coming out in the next 12 months that has any hope of being great. If the core elements stay the same as previous Gothics and they simply update the graphics, which look fantastic in the screenshots, then it will be all that. NWN2 should be solid, probably better than the first, given the writing talent at Obsidian, but it just isn't quite deep enough for me... it lacks grit. Both PS:T and Gothic have grit while NWN and BG tend to be a little too stereotyped and trite.

The NWN games primary focus is on the multiplayer aspect and the players ability to create their own modules. If you want grit, there are several dozen modules that exist for NWN1 that can provide that.

NWN1 has modules for every play type, from those that want a mindless killfest to those that want a deep interactive storyline.

Edit - For the record, I did enjoy the Gothic games very much I look forward to the third title in series. Dialogue was a little light for my taste, but the games were very enjoyable.

 

[Dumac]

I haven't found an MMO that I liked nearly as much as early Everquest. I haven't tried a lot of them though.

W.o.W. just seems to give no satisfaction IMO. Maybe I just remember how hard Everquest was.

 

[oogabooga]

WoW is one of the best computer games to be released in the last five years. While some might argue it sucks, the millions of players around the world playing it and living update to update would tend to disagree.

The decline of the gaming industry? It isn't world of warcraft.

It's sub-par jobs being done with epic franchises.
It's the underestimation of Re-playability which is so important it is not even funny. Games in the past like Homeworld 2 or C&C Generals often proved themselves to be markers of internet nerdiness, getting a game up can be worse then fixing a wireless network that doesn't work. Games (like wow) which may not work 100% of the time, are still consistant enough where when you login and you're there.
It's lack of co-op as an option in some games. Yes, fragging your friends is fun, but you know what else is? playing together with other people (WoW in a way offers this. There are co-op objectives, and yet you can go PvP with others)

As a game WoW is the most polished and complete package which is why people are flocking to it. While it isn't the best MMORPG in terms of end game or for hte hardcore players... a lot of them play it because it still is 'standard'.

The gaming industry isn't in decline like the roman empire, but hopefully it changes soon.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: oogabooga
WoW is one of the best computer games to be released in the last five years.

As a game WoW is the most polished and complete package which is why people are flocking to it. While it isn't the best MMORPG in terms of end game or for hte hardcore players... a lot of them play it because it still is 'standard'.

Wrong on all those accounts. When WoW was released, it was in a horrible state, unplayable for many people because of the massive lag. They did conduct a stress test of their servers prior to launch, so there was no excuse for this crippling lag. To date, they still haven't managed to correct loot lag.

Many features (ie Battleground) weren't even implemented until several months after the game's release, even though they were supposed to be in the game at launch. Several talents were listed in the manual at launch and were not implemented in the game until several weeks after launch.

WoW is far from a complete package, as it lacks a storyline, plot, dialogue, good NPCs, story driven quests (although some rudimentary story driven quests were added recently), dynamic PvP, and the list goes on.

WoW has no meaningful PvP, its either PvP in the self contained BGs or act like a child and 'raid' the rival faction's towns to kill their NPCs, pissing off lower level players by preventing them from finishing quests or flying to other cities.

WoW is one fo the worst games, MMO and otherwise, to be released in the last 5 years, not the best.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
I'm with a lot of other people here: EA killed gaming, not WoW. I got fed up some time ago and haven't looked back, minus the occassional 30 minute foray into a CSS server.

EA didn't kill it, and if they did it certainly wasn't done alone. If anything Bungie is at fault, for starting mainstream gaming with Halo.

 

[Mikey]

anyone here find it ironic how a pc game is blamed for the decline of the pc gaming industry? then again, our government is the reason why our gov is on hte decline right now.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: oogabooga
WoW is one of the best computer games to be released in the last five years.

As a game WoW is the most polished and complete package which is why people are flocking to it. While it isn't the best MMORPG in terms of end game or for hte hardcore players... a lot of them play it because it still is 'standard'.

Wrong on all those accounts. When WoW was released, it was in a horrible state, unplayable for many people because of the massive lag. They did conduct a stress test of their servers prior to launch, so there was no excuse for this crippling lag. To date, they still haven't managed to correct loot lag.

Many features (ie Battleground) weren't even implemented until several months after the game's release, even though they were supposed to be in the game at launch. Several talents were listed in the manual at launch and were not implemented in the game until several weeks after launch.

WoW is far from a complete package, as it lacks a storyline, plot, dialogue, good NPCs, story driven quests (although some rudimentary story driven quests were added recently), dynamic PvP, and the list goes on.

WoW has no meaningful PvP, its either PvP in the self contained BGs or act like a child and 'raid' the rival faction's towns to kill their NPCs, pissing off lower level players by preventing them from finishing quests or flying to other cities.

WoW is one fo the worst games, MMO and otherwise, to be released in the last 5 years, not the best.

what mmo DOES have those things? the answer - NONE! WoW has more of those things than most other mmorpgs and i've played pretty much all of them. i haven't played wow in about 9 months and there were tons of story driven quests even before then. you've obviously never played the game and are just basing all your info off of things you've read from other WoW haters.

Each MMO i've played has some good things and bad things (most mmos are just all bad, however) but WoW had the best compromise for me, levels 1-60 anyway. WoW was the 1st mmo i ever reached max level at and it was extremely fun doing it all the way. I can't say that for any of the other games.

saying its one of the worst games is also your OPINION. there's plenty of people who love the game.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: pontifex


saying its one of the worst games is also your OPINION. there's plenty of people who love the game.

And thats their opinion.

BTW, until that major quest involving the the war, it involved both Horde and Allliance gathering lots of resources to fund the war effort and such, I forget what it was called; WoW's 'story' based quests were kinda like comparing Dental office comic books to George RR Martin's latest masterpiece. Those same 'story' based quests also have no impact on the game world because 1 million other people do the same quests. Most players don't even bother to read the quest description, they just read the objectives then go do the quest, usually for the experience and not the item rewards.

This is a major pitfall that a lot of MMOs fall into. How do you have good story based quests while offering the same story to the other players in the game? To date, I think the MMO thats came the closests in Horizons, and that game has a multitude of other flaws that prevent it from being mainstream.

I believe Eve Online also has some more dynamic quests involving giving players bounties to go hunt down other players . . .?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: pontifex


saying its one of the worst games is also your OPINION. there's plenty of people who love the game.

And thats their opinion.

BTW, until that major quest involving the the war, it involved both Horde and Allliance gathering lots of resources to fund the war effort and such, I forget what it was called; WoW's 'story' based quests were kinda like comparing Dental office comic books to George RR Martin's latest masterpiece. Those same 'story' based quests also have no impact on the game world because 1 million other people do the same quests. Most players don't even bother to read the quest description, they just read the objectives then go do the quest, usually for the experience and not the item rewards.

This is a major pitfall that a lot of MMOs fall into. How do you have good story based quests while offering the same story to the other players in the game? To date, I think the MMO thats came the closests in Horizons, and that game has a multitude of other flaws that prevent it from being mainstream.

I believe Eve Online also has some more dynamic quests involving giving players bounties to go hunt down other players . . .?

because you choose to not read the story behind the quest or because the quest doesn't affect the world, doesn't mean there isn't a story to it. not all of the quests have a deep story but many of them do.

it sounds liek you want a single player rpg, not a mmo anyway. you can't compare the 2 and trying to just makes you look stupid.

btw, eve's quests are the most generic, uninspired quests i've ever seen. there are no game generated bounty hunter quests to kill other players. hell, eve even recycles quests. i had done the same exact quest several times when i played the game.