I always said WoW was partly to blame for the decline of the gaming industry...

[ubercaffeinated]

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Quote: ?For retail PC games, I think the biggest problem is World of Warcraft,? Sullivan said. ?It is such a compelling MMO game that it sucks up a lot of money and time that would normally be spent on other retail PC games.?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: makoto00

Quote: ?For retail PC games, I think the biggest problem is World of Warcraft,? Sullivan said. ?It is such a compelling MMO game that it sucks up a lot of money and time that would normally be spent on other crappy, low quality, short-gameplay-time, retail PC games that were mass produced by slaves(programmers)) at EA to meet deadlines .?

fixed... who can blame WoW for taking up the entire market when every game produced sucks?

and the EA thing is just a jab at the fact that they rush games and overwork their programmers

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: makoto00

Quote: ?For retail PC games, I think the biggest problem is World of Warcraft,? Sullivan said. ?It is such a compelling MMO game that it sucks up a lot of money and time that would normally be spent on other crappy, low quality, short-gameplay-time, retail PC games that were mass produced by slaves(programmers)) at EA to meet deadlines .?

fixed... who can blame WoW for taking up the entire market when every game produced sucks?

and the EA thing is just a jab at the fact that they rush games and overwork their programmers

I'll agree that WoW's success can partially be attributed to the dreadfully low expectations gamers had after years of Daikatanas and Tiberian Suns.

But it was also time for a breakout MMORPG title. I'd put WoW at probably 3-4th best MMORPG there's ever been, but remember that when UO and EQ were out DSL was just being introduced. The ubiquitousness of broadband has driven more people (heck even my parents) to seek entertainment from the Net so the idea of an MMORPG is less foreign. Also, not many people even knew about MMORPGs. Every new game that was released grabbed new players as awareness also grew and by the time WoW hit, UO, EQ, SWG, CoH, Eve, Lineage, DAoC, etc had collectively grown the playerbase from a couple hundred thousand to over a million. WoW hit with perfect timing as all competitors to it either had just cancelled (UXO, TR) or flopped (AC2). It also had the Blizzard and Warcraft name attached to it which made it the only MMORPG to utilize a franchise besides the overly complicated and newbe unfriendly SWG. And, of course, then word of mouth and message board hype spread and the Chinese gold farmers flooded over and the press picked it up and bada-bing.

 

[Trevelyan]

EA sucks.

(Just finished a night of C&C Generals Zero Hour with about 5 games ending prematurely becuase of a "Mismatch Detection".)

FIX YOUR STINKING GAMES EA!! Sorry for the rant

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: makoto00

Quote: ?For retail PC games, I think the biggest problem is World of Warcraft,? Sullivan said. ?It is such a compelling MMO game that it sucks up a lot of money and time that would normally be spent on other crappy, low quality, short-gameplay-time, retail PC games that were mass produced by slaves(programmers)) at EA to meet deadlines .?

fixed... who can blame WoW for taking up the entire market when every game produced sucks?

and the EA thing is just a jab at the fact that they rush games and overwork their programmers

Well if they dont rush the games, they wouldnt be screwed in the long-term PC market like now! I hope EA burns in Hell until they make a good game without any bugs at the first release, but not so much testing that it becomes another Duke Em Nuke Em Forever...

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

I hate EA, the killed the C&C series

 

[iamaelephant]

Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

 

[CKent]

What's sad is that WoW really sucks for an MMORPG. I'm not putting it down really - I'm a player. But it's sad that it's the best MMOG out there.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

i'm not hating on EA specifically (though yes, i did jab). my point is, there are so many "blockbuster" games that SUCK HORRIBLY, it makes perfect sense that WoW has a massive playerbase. think about it - doom3 was $60, had 10-15 hours of gameplay, and multiplayer wasn't exactly the most playable (or even the most enjoyable, though LMS is sweet). now, why do i want to pay $60 for a game i'll beat in a few days? oh wait, i don't!

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

i'm not hating on EA specifically (though yes, i did jab). my point is, there are so many "blockbuster" games that SUCK HORRIBLY, it makes perfect sense that WoW has a massive playerbase. think about it - doom3 was $60, had 10-15 hours of gameplay, and multiplayer wasn't exactly the most playable (or even the most enjoyable, though LMS is sweet). now, why do i want to pay $60 for a game i'll beat in a few days? oh wait, i don't!

I agree with you there, it's becoming more and more rare for titles to come out that are worth the full MSRP. Thank god for games like Half Life 2 and Far Cry (for those of us who aren't into RPGs).

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

i'm not hating on EA specifically (though yes, i did jab). my point is, there are so many "blockbuster" games that SUCK HORRIBLY, it makes perfect sense that WoW has a massive playerbase. think about it - doom3 was $60, had 10-15 hours of gameplay, and multiplayer wasn't exactly the most playable (or even the most enjoyable, though LMS is sweet). now, why do i want to pay $60 for a game i'll beat in a few days? oh wait, i don't!

So basically all the quotes have come to the point that EA needs to smarten up with the big games, and test games more so we dont need to download 10 patches before the game is even playable.

 

[potato28]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

i'm not hating on EA specifically (though yes, i did jab). my point is, there are so many "blockbuster" games that SUCK HORRIBLY, it makes perfect sense that WoW has a massive playerbase. think about it - doom3 was $60, had 10-15 hours of gameplay, and multiplayer wasn't exactly the most playable (or even the most enjoyable, though LMS is sweet). now, why do i want to pay $60 for a game i'll beat in a few days? oh wait, i don't!

I agree with you there, it's becoming more and more rare for titles to come out that are worth the full MSRP. Thank god for games like Half Life 2 and Far Cry (for those of us who aren't into RPGs).

Well... Half Life 2 was made before EA. But ya thank God for these great games!

 

[iamaelephant]

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

i'm not hating on EA specifically (though yes, i did jab). my point is, there are so many "blockbuster" games that SUCK HORRIBLY, it makes perfect sense that WoW has a massive playerbase. think about it - doom3 was $60, had 10-15 hours of gameplay, and multiplayer wasn't exactly the most playable (or even the most enjoyable, though LMS is sweet). now, why do i want to pay $60 for a game i'll beat in a few days? oh wait, i don't!

So basically all the quotes have come to the point that EA needs to smarten up with the big games, and test games more so we dont need to download 10 patches before the game is even playable.

Ah, no. EA don't have to do anything. You as a consumer have the power to deny them your money by not purchasing their titles. Download demos, read reviews, browse forums, make an informed decision.

 

[platinumike]

Its not like WOW is monopolizing the market. There is PLENTY of oppurtunity to be made in the pc game market, no one is capitalizing though.

 

[Fenixgoon]

WoW = the microsoft of gaming software

 

[fishbits]

?For retail PC games, I think the biggest problem is World of Warcraft,? Sullivan said. ?It is such a compelling MMO game that it sucks up a lot of money and time that would normally be spent on other retail PC games.?

Eh, doubt it on the money side. Any halfway-serious gamer can afford to pick up games after the $15/month of WoW. It's more the time/enjoyment. If WoW is giving it to them and they don't want to take time away to play something else, there's the "problem."

As platinumike said, other companies just need to make better games, whether standalone, multiplayer or MMO. WoW's advantage is that "everyone's playing it, my friends are playing it, I've got friends on my server." So it's not just the "game," it's the friends/ social interaction that people will miss out on if they move elsewhere. Additionally many are motivated by fear of falling behind on the level/gear treadmill. WoW was big-name and accessible at the right time for lots of new people to start an MMO, so it mushroomed.

Still, there are plenty of people that never played WoW, quit, are looking for something else. The notion that Wow is/will be the best game forever is ridiculous, so again, give us the better games.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: djmihow
I hate EA, the killed the C&C series

Theyre bringing out C&C 3!! In the tiberian universe, its tiberian twilight renamed. Its gonna be awsome, my expectations are hella high and i swear to god if they dont deliver what i want ill march over to EA HQ and burn it the hell down!! :frown:

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

You dont understand, actual fans HAVE to buy somthing that says C&C on it, or Simcity on it, and they have taken a dump over both franchises IMO, SC4 sucked, and generals is not what we wanted!

If a C&C game comes out, i am compelled as a loyal fan to buy it. Same with simcity. Im used to getting quality from these two franchises, both have overall dissapointed me with their latest releases.

Its not that they rush their games and make them crappy, its that if maxis and westwood had been left alone then their games would most likely have been better than they turned out to be. I dont know what the hell EA did to former westwood employees to make them all leave, as they were doing good with RA2 (nice enough story, great gameplay).

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: iamaelephant

Originally posted by: potato28

Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Well jeez I never get bored of people saying they hate EA. If you don't like their games, don't buy them. There's plenty of other publishers and developers putting out quality titles.

But thats the thing. EA has all the lisences to everything. Need for Speed, C&C, Battlefield, Most of the sports leagues. And most of the original stuff sux, excluding the Sims, and Spore.

Well they don't own the lisences for the Tom Clancy games, GTA series, Race Driver series, F.E.A.R, any id titles, Half Life franchise, Warhammer 40k franchise, Warcraft franchise, 3dRealms titles, Halo series, WWE franchise games, Hitman series, Call of Duty series, among hundreds of others. If you're having a hard time finding titles that aren't controlled by EA then you're not trying.

As for titles they do develop, yeah there's some crap there but there are also some real gems. The Madden series is great, same as the FIFA, NHL and NBA series. Need for Speed Most Wanted is the best NFS game yet. The Sims is ridiculously popular and fairly well polished. Crysis is looking incredible, Black and White 2 is great, Battle for Middle Earth 2 is supposed to be outstanding and although I'm not a fan, Generals scored some very nice reviews and is still widely played.

I'm just not a bandwagon jumper I guess.

yeah, like splinter cell 34: lets do the same crap again?
or GTA 88: We added rollerskates this time!
or the same old crappy fps games?

there's nothing original about any of those titles you mentioned anymore. they're all pretty much into their 2nd or 3rd or more sequels...

the pc game industry has really grown stale, boring, repetitive and buggy.

 

[junkerman123]

dude, pontifex, not to flame but....why are you so negative all the time. you just made 3 straight negative posts lol

you having a bad day or something?

Cheer up dude! P.S. are you on ars technica also?

 

[Genx87]

WoW is a good and bad thing for the industry. Good because it has brought so many new players into the world of MMORPGs. Bad because it is so successful we will see a string of copycat games trying to be like WoW. WoW as an MMORPG is quite a pathetic game.

I think so games are seeing influxes of people due to WoWs success. EVE Online seems to be getting more and more people to play as they realize they want something with more depth than WoW.

 

[bcterps]

WoW definitely cuts into the amount of money I spend on other games. I used to buy a new game every month or 2, play it for a few hours, and then let it collect dust. Since I play WoW, I find very little reason to buy PC games anymore. I still buy them, but I'm down to 1 every 6 months or so.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: junkerman123
dude, pontifex, not to flame but....why are you so negative all the time. you just made 3 straight negative posts lol

you having a bad day or something?

Cheer up dude! P.S. are you on ars technica also?

meh...gaming is something i enjoy a lot and when something ruins that enjoyment it doesn't make me happy. i don't know that my posts were negative, just my opinion on the games.

i don't even know what ars technica is...