I absolutely hate making predictions, BUT...

[XMan]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge

Originally posted by: Vespasian
There was this British reporter being interviewed on MSNBC and he said that if the U.S. can bomb the Taliban for harboring and supporting al-Qadea, then Ireland can bomb Boston for supporting the IRA.

Sure I have no problems with that. But, like the Taliban striking back at the US (in thier own pitifully limited way), the US shall strike back at Ireland.

That's an apples and oranges comparison, it is not national policy to support the IRA, as it was Taliban policy to support Al-Qaida. If a few Irish-American pub owners in Southie want to send their money to the IRA, that's their business.

 

[Tripleshot]

The rest of international community is likely reluctant to help because they are not targets of the Islamic militant groups/terrorist organizations.

If thats the case, these other countries better start bowing towards Mecca and making their women wear berkas and such. Islamic fundamentelists are out to convert anyone who is not Islamic fundamentalist to be fundamentalist. If not checked, they would persue their cause across the globe. They see this cause as a duty to Allah. They are freakin wackos of the highest order.

It's in the interest of all freedom loving people to rise up against this vermin and kill this cancer before it spreads outside of the confines of the middle east desert wasteland it breeds in.

Or is that too hard to comprehend for some of you?

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: whitecloak
ok, granted no one helps the US in their war against terror. for the last 10 years, India, Israel, UK & Sri Lanka have been fighting terrorists. Did anyone bother about the terrorism in these countries. Even now, the US support the dictatorship in Pakistan saying that Musharraf is helping them in the war against terror. While this is happening, terrorism is still being sponsored by Pakistan in India. No one cares about it. When the bomb blasts occured in Bombay in 1993, no one gave a fig. Similarly, when the Indian Airlines plane was hijacked & taken to Afghanistan, no other country was bothered to help. Now when India says that it wants to stop terrorism by forceful means, the entire world says no. All we get are platitudes which mean nothing. Also remember, the US & Pakistan supported the extremist fundamentalism in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded the country. During the Iran-Iraq war, the US armed Saddam. This is not meant to be a rant against the US. All I am trying to say is that possibly other countries might be more cautious when it comes to foreign policy dealings of the US. Of course, this article might be taken as a biased one as I am an Indian.

Biased? Not in a negative sense. Of course you are correct in stating that terrorism exists and has for some time. Also, the US did not get involved. But as I said earlier, countries do what is in their own best interest. If the US does not get involved with Sri Lanka or wherever, it is because we have nothing to gain.

Terrorism has always existed. The only difference is now terrorists have the tools to commit mass murder.

 

[ViperXX]

We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

 

[Random Variable]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

When a madman exterminates six million of your people, you develop a different perspective of the world.

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: Vespasian
I predict that Islamic terrorist groups will kill many more thousands (perhaps millions) of Americans because the international community doesn't seem eager to help us anymore in our struggle against terror.

What do you think of my prediction?

Even with eager allies, I fear this is inevitable (and not just for America). There is no way to completely prevent such an occurrence, although I pray it does not happen.

 

[sandorski]

Umm, it doesn't matter if the International community supports the US or not, terrorists will be trying to kill Americans. IOW, don't try to shift the blame.

It should also be noted that Europe has had many more attacks from terrorists than the US. It wouldn't surprise me if the death toll from decades of attacks equals or exceeds 9/11. Not trying to be rude, but Americans need to realize that 9/11 was *not* the first terrorist act and that Americans haven't had it worse than others.

 

[Miramonti]

Given the fact that the rest of the world probably wouldn't care, which sort of makes them accomplices, I think, by the bush doctrine, we outta do a preemptive strike on everyone and take them all out. Wouldn't that show who's right.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

Israel "stands" by us because we give them weapons and support them. US gets involved in other conflicts when our interests (or the politican's) is threatened. in the cold war, US sent troops to Korea and Vietnam because they feared that if Communism expands, US will be harmed eventually (obviously a lot more complicated then that but let's stick with containment here). We went into Panama because it the dictator (forgot his name) threatened Bush Sr. We supported South American dictatorships because they support us.

on the other hand, what does US do about terrorists elsewhere? British and the IRA is the prime example. Some americans supported terrorists because they think blowing up a subway in London is the best way to tell the brits to leave n. ireland. Those americans who supported the IRA is no different than a Taliban (except they won't fight like them). since when did it become "our struggle against terror" when americans and the american government supported terrorism?

now answering the original question:

no, not in these couple of years, 9/11 probably took them many years to plan anyway. MAYBE later on but it probably isn't an imminent threat to the US.

 

[Miramonti]

Its humorous hearing about our countries "interests" overseas. The only "interests" we have abroad is generally related to money and whether or not it jeopardizes us getting our oversized piece of the pie.

Occasionally it has to do with americans living abroad, but aside from that, its one helluva simple foreign policy almost tailor made for an idiot like bush.

 

[IGBT]

I think your right. And we won't see serious security changes in the US till the civilian body count goes much higher. Or a credible NBC threat occurs..........

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

Small hint:

The USA did not enter WW I until a german sub sank a passenger ship full of US citizens and the public pressure became too high.
The USA didn't really want to fight a full scale war in WW II until Pearl Harbor got rocked.
The USA didn't care about the Taliban dictatorship that was left after they supplied and trained them to fight the Russians until 9/11.
Bush has threatened to invade the Netherlands (threatening allies always is a good idea) if a US citizen is ever brought before the international court of justice.

If you guys had elected someone with an IQ over 50 we might be more eager to support the ideas of the USA, mainly because they would not be as moronic. Help was offered by a lot of countries after 9/11, but no planes would be allowed in even with rescue workers. A lot of countries are looking into the activities of Al Qaida and organizations that might support them, even Iran (Which Mr. Moron named as one of the countries of the 'Axis of Evil') is kicking out Al Qaida members.

 

[Jfur]

Bush has threatened to invade the Netherlands (threatening allies always is a good idea) if a US citizen is ever brought before the international court of justice.

I hope you're kidding but I have a sinking feeling that you're not...

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Bush has threatened to invade the Netherlands (threatening allies always is a good idea) if a US citizen is ever brought before the international court of justice.

I hope you're kidding but I have a sinking feeling that you're not...

I'm not. He said if it ever happened the USA would come and get him out with force.

Now they changed it to telling everyone to sign the treaty, but to also sign a treaty to always vote against putting US citizens on trial. Romania and Israel signed it already (the only 2 countries so far), the Netherlands refused to make an exception for the USA, and Switzerland refused too. The US government is even thinking of denying military support to any country not signing their treaty.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

Small hint:

The USA did not enter WW I until a german sub sank a passenger ship full of US citizens and the public pressure became too high.
The USA didn't really want to fight a full scale war in WW II until Pearl Harbor got rocked.
The USA didn't care about the Taliban dictatorship that was left after they supplied and trained them to fight the Russians until 9/11.
Bush has threatened to invade the Netherlands (threatening allies always is a good idea) if a US citizen is ever brought before the international court of justice.

If you guys had elected someone with an IQ over 50 we might be more eager to support the ideas of the USA, mainly because they would not be as moronic. Help was offered by a lot of countries after 9/11, but no planes would be allowed in even with rescue workers. A lot of countries are looking into the activities of Al Qaida and organizations that might support them, even Iran (Which Mr. Moron named as one of the countries of the 'Axis of Evil') is kicking out Al Qaida members.

One quick note: We actually elected Al Gore, but the Supreme Court made the decision that Bush was to be president. (Al Gore won the popular vote, and in the state of Florida, the margin of error was greater than the margin of victory for Bush.)

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

One quick note: We actually elected Al Gore, but the Supreme Court made the decision that Bush was to be president. (Al Gore won the popular vote, and in the state of Florida, the margin of error was greater than the margin of victory for Bush.)

Republicans arriving in 3...2...1...

 

[freegeeks]

Skyclad1uhm1 is right --
Bush threatened to invade the Netherlands to "save" american soldiers --

what bothers me the most is that some people in this forum say that Europe was doing nothing after 9/11
every country (and the French were among the first -- eat that) offered different kinds of assistance (troops, medical units, search dogs). The fact is that the US did not wanted (or needed) our help. To give you an example. The day after 9/11 a Belgian airforce airbus flew to New York with search dogs and crews. The plane was not allowed to land and was diverted to canada. It stayed there almost for a week while our govt offered to help. They never got permission to land in the USA. At this moment european AWACS crews are working in the USA helping to safeguard american travellers. These are paid by the european taxpayer. Do you hear me whine about that??? You never see anything about this contribution in american media.
So stop being a crybaby and next time try to elect a president who is not threatening one of his closest ally.

btw I'm not french, i'm from Belgium (the little "communist" country next to the Netherlands)

 

[Alphathree33]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Skyclad1uhm1 is right -- Bush threatened to invade the Netherlands to "save" american soldiers -- what bothers me the most is that some people in this forum say that Europe was doing nothing after 9/11 every country (and the French were among the first -- eat that) offered different kinds of assistance (troops, medical units, search dogs). The fact is that the US did not wanted (or needed) our help. To give you an example. The day after 9/11 a Belgian airforce airbus flew to New York with search dogs and crews. The plane was not allowed to land and was diverted to canada. It stayed there almost for a week while our govt offered to help. They never got permission to land in the USA. At this moment european AWACS crews are working in the USA helping to safeguard american travellers. These are paid by the european taxpayer. Do you hear me whine about that??? You never see anything about this contribution in american media. So stop being a crybaby and next time try to elect a president who is not threatening one of his closest ally. btw I'm not french, i'm from Belgium (the little "communist" country next to the Netherlands)

My grandfather was Belgian.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
Skyclad1uhm1 is right --
Bush threatened to invade the Netherlands to "save" american soldiers --

what bothers me the most is that some people in this forum say that Europe was doing nothing after 9/11
every country (and the French were among the first -- eat that) offered different kinds of assistance (troops, medical units, search dogs). The fact is that the US did not wanted (or needed) our help. To give you an example. The day after 9/11 a Belgian airforce airbus flew to New York with search dogs and crews. The plane was not allowed to land and was diverted to canada. It stayed there almost for a week while our govt offered to help. They never got permission to land in the USA. At this moment european AWACS crews are working in the USA helping to safeguard american travellers. These are paid by the european taxpayer. Do you hear me whine about that??? You never see anything about this contribution in american media.
So stop being a crybaby and next time try to elect a president who is not threatening one of his closest ally.

btw I'm not french, i'm from Belgium (the little "communist" country next to the Netherlands)

thats true, Iceland offered to send a rescue team that has been specialy trained for decades to handle rescue missions after huge earthquakes, the US declined the offer.

 

[jjones]

Cripes, self-centered ignorance abounds. The Europeans have been suffering from terrorism far longer than the US. The Europeans have in their way supported the US in it's current commitment to thwart terrorism. It's the US that's declared war on terrorism, commiting manpower and resources, after finally getting involved when several thousand of its citizens gets killed. The US should have been doing this a long time ago and should have been eliciting the help of the Europeans in a concerted effort to combat terrorism decades ago. We waited until it really hurt us and now act all self-righteous about it.

Don't get me wrong, I applaud most of what is going on now but this should have been done long ago. Its' the US, in its role as world leader, that's had its head buried in the sand and allowed this cancer to grow.

 

[smp]

Originally posted by: whitecloak
ok, granted no one helps the US in their war against terror. for the last 10 years, India, Israel, UK & Sri Lanka have been fighting terrorists. Did anyone bother about the terrorism in these countries. Even now, the US support the dictatorship in Pakistan saying that Musharraf is helping them in the war against terror. While this is happening, terrorism is still being sponsored by Pakistan in India. No one cares about it. When the bomb blasts occured in Bombay in 1993, no one gave a fig. Similarly, when the Indian Airlines plane was hijacked & taken to Afghanistan, no other country was bothered to help. Now when India says that it wants to stop terrorism by forceful means, the entire world says no. All we get are platitudes which mean nothing. Also remember, the US & Pakistan supported the extremist fundamentalism in Afghanistan when the Soviets invaded the country. During the Iran-Iraq war, the US armed Saddam. This is not meant to be a rant against the US. All I am trying to say is that possibly other countries might be more cautious when it comes to foreign policy dealings of the US. Of course, this article might be taken as a biased one as I am an Indian.

hehehe.. could have fooled me, I was starting to like you.
The states is like that bully in school who'll be your friend as long as you kiss his ass and help him, no matter what your character, once he doesn't need you anymore, he doesn't care and will even stab you in the back if he deems it worthwhile.

To answer your question Vespasian, the world doesn't give a sh!t because they don't want to make enemies themselves, not only that, but the US has more resources to fight this kind of thing than all of Europe put together (IMO) .. also, the war on terrorism is a crock of sh!t .. just like the war on drugs and just like the war on communism was. This time they found the perfect war, because it's a perpetual and neverending war, you can't beat terrorism. When are we going to have a war on war?

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: smp
also, the war on terrorism is a crock of sh!t .. just like the war on drugs and just like the war on communism was. This time they found the perfect war, because it's a perpetual and neverending war, you can't beat terrorism. When are we going to have a war on war?

You are kidding right? The Cold War was very real, maybe you should talk to your father about it. The War on Drugs is a crock because it should be fought with education rather than law enforcement. As for terrorism, your statement is complete BS. That's like saying why fight crime when there will always be crime?

 

[smp]

No I actually don't know what I'm talking about, nor have I ever done any reading on the topic, exept for leftist propaganda.. I'm just spouting your run of the mill liberal bullshit. I come from behind the wall, you don't have to tell me twice how cold blooded, evil and threatening I am.

 

[Chadder007]

One quick note: We actually elected Al Gore, but the Supreme Court made the decision that Bush was to be president. (Al Gore won the popular vote, and in the state of Florida, the margin of error was greater than the margin of victory for Bush.)

Umm...actually Gore's popular vote was in the margin of error also. The Supreme court didn't decide that Bush was president, the American People did with conjunction of the Constitution. Never once did a recount in Florida end up in Gore's favor.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: ViperXX
We need to look after the interests of our people and our nation if the rest of the world is to scared then f*ck them!
They ignored Hitler and looked what happened!

Israel it seems is the only nation willing to stand by us.

Small hint:

The USA did not enter WW I until a german sub sank a passenger ship full of US citizens and the public pressure became too high.

that was Lusitania, US supported UK by putting weapons on Lusitania and germans had already threatened to sink it. they told civilians not to get on the boat but they did. US and UK have always denied that there were weapons but they did found weapons in the sunken ship.