Hyundai > Honda, Toyota

[Baked]

I wouldn't drive a Hyundai if waggy buys me the $25K model. I'd sell it for $20K and buy a Honda Civic Si.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: SoftwareEng

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: mrchan
4 cyl mid level trims vs 6 cyl high end trim.

If you're going to compare price levels you also have to compare resale values, in 5 years, the Honda/Toyota will be worth $10-$12k, the Hyndai? probably less than $5-7k.

Not necessarily true. Resale value will be determined by market conditions in 5 years, which cannot be accurately predicted for Hyundai due to the rapid progress the company is making in improving quality and reliability which effects resale values down the road.
In 5 years, Hyundai will still have 5 years of warranty remaining.

Not true about the remaining warranty - we just discovered the powetrain 10yrs/100,000miles is cut in HALF when you transfer the car to someone else:

"Second and/or subsequent owners have powertrain components coverage under the 5 year / 60,000 mile New Vehicle Limited Warranty." (Hyundai's own site)

Yes, but in 5 years, having 5 years remaining on warranty will encourage some original owners to keep driving their vehicles, reducing supply of used Hyundais and driving up resale values. Again, we don't know what will happen in 5 years, since Hyundai is progressing so rapidly. But barring some serious setback, their quality image will continue to improve, and so will resale values of their cars.

 

[eLiu]

I'm definitely hoping for Hyundai's continued growth/progression. My guess is that my first car will be one of their models; previously I would've gone with the Accord or Camry.

I've never driven a Hyundai before and I'm even more interested in trying one now. I have driven teh 2004 Camry (V6) and 2003 Accord (V6), and I'd have to say I have complaints about both. Granted I came off my dad's old 1985 mercedes 300SD, but still.

Edit: Is low resale value a plus for those of us considering used cars? I mean then we get'em on the cheap, yes?

 

[theeedude]

My thinking is that now is the best time to buy a Hyundai. You get to benefit from the low prices and great warranty due to Hyundai's image now, and also you get to benefit on the resale at backend as Hyundai's reputation catches up to their high quality. As their reputation keeps improving they will be offering fewer incentives to lure in customers. 10 year warranty tells me something about a company. It tells me that they either believe in the quality of their products, or they are stupid enough to accept high warranty costs down the road that will make them lose money on every car they sell. Because Hyundai is a well run company that is driving so hard on improving quality, I am convinced it's the former. And Toyota wouldn't be losing sleep over Hyundai if that wasn't the case. Because if Hyundai beats Toyota on price AND has reliability high enough to allow it to offer 10 year warranty, then it has a major advantage over Toyota.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: SampSon
I won't be buying a hyundai, ever.

Not too long ago, people were saying the same thing for Japanese cars.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: senseamp
My thinking is that now is the best time to buy a Hyundai. You get to benefit from the low prices and great warranty due to Hyundai's image now, and also you get to benefit on the resale at backend as Hyundai's reputation catches up to their high quality. As their reputation keeps improving they will be offering fewer incentives to lure in customers. 10 year warranty tells me something about a company. It tells me that they either believe in the quality of their products, or they are stupid enough to accept high warranty costs down the road that will make them lose money on every car they sell. Because Hyundai is a well run company that is driving so hard on improving quality, I am convinced it's the former. And Toyota wouldn't be losing sleep over Hyundai if that wasn't the case. Because if Hyundai beats Toyota on price AND has reliability high enough to allow it to offer 10 year warranty, then it has a major advantage over Toyota.

:thumbsup:

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: senseamp
My thinking is that now is the best time to buy a Hyundai. You get to benefit from the low prices and great warranty due to Hyundai's image now, and also you get to benefit on the resale at backend as Hyundai's reputation catches up to their high quality. As their reputation keeps improving they will be offering fewer incentives to lure in customers. 10 year warranty tells me something about a company. It tells me that they either believe in the quality of their products, or they are stupid enough to accept high warranty costs down the road that will make them lose money on every car they sell. Because Hyundai is a well run company that is driving so hard on improving quality, I am convinced it's the former. And Toyota wouldn't be losing sleep over Hyundai if that wasn't the case. Because if Hyundai beats Toyota on price AND has reliability high enough to allow it to offer 10 year warranty, then it has a major advantage over Toyota.

:thumbsup:

it's a car and a depreciating asset, not an investment.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
oh yeah and the accord gets 7 mpg better in their test.

That's what happens when you put a smaller engine in your cars. Some like it, some don't.

Originally posted by: KentState
Thought it was odd to compare a V6 Sonata to two 4 cylinder cars. Yeah, the Sonata had better performance but the gas mileage was a lot lower than the Honda and about 5 mpg total worse than the Toyota.

The whole point of the article was that they were doing a comparison based on the average amount Americans spend on cars.

so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: mrchan
4 cyl mid level trims vs 6 cyl high end trim.

If you're going to compare price levels you also have to compare resale values, in 5 years, the Honda/Toyota will be worth $10-$12k, the Hyndai? probably less than $5-7k.

Is that a joke? Unless the mileage is realllly high, the Hyundai will still be worth more than 5-7K.

 

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: mrchan
4 cyl mid level trims vs 6 cyl high end trim.

If you're going to compare price levels you also have to compare resale values, in 5 years, the Honda/Toyota will be worth $10-$12k, the Hyndai? probably less than $5-7k.

Is that a joke? Unless the mileage is realllly high, the Hyundai will still be worth more than 5-7K.

I got almost that when I sold my 2001 Elantra with over 100k miles on it about a month ago (which I paid $12.3k OTD new 5 years ago). Resale value is not as bad as people on here seem to think.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: mrchan
4 cyl mid level trims vs 6 cyl high end trim.

If you're going to compare price levels you also have to compare resale values, in 5 years, the Honda/Toyota will be worth $10-$12k, the Hyndai? probably less than $5-7k.

Is that a joke? Unless the mileage is realllly high, the Hyundai will still be worth more than 5-7K.

I got almost that when I sold my 2001 Elantra with over 100k miles on it about a month ago (which I paid $12.3k OTD new 5 years ago). Resale value is not as bad as people on here seem to think.

yeap 5-7 years ago they would have been right about the resale value.

but today hyundai is turning around. the resale value is not as good as honda but then again honda has a cult like following.

but then again i would not buy a new car anyway heh

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

dont forget that transmission of toyotas has been recalled.
but supposedly fixed now...

more != greater

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

Not many are going to care about those minimal differences. Look, I'm not shoving a Hyundai down your throat, I'm just pointing out that an equal, or maybe better car is out there as a Honda/Toyota alternative. Priced cheaper. More options. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

I paid $21k out-the-door for my top of the line Sonata. Hyundai dealers are ready to haggle with price where Toyota and Honda dealers seem to think they're doing YOU a favor selling you one of their cars. What kind of brand new Camry could I get for $21k out the door?

Also, currently I'm getting 25MPG. I don't really know what my car is rated at, but my MPG has slowly been going up. When I first got it I was barely breaking 20MPG.

 

[platinumike]

I bought a slightly used(10k miles) 05 hyundai elantra close to a year ago. For $9500 out the door. No complaints whatsoever. Now in 5 years when it comes time for me to sell it. Im expecting the resale value to be pretty dang good since Hyundai has really turned things around. Even if I only get $4k for it, that means i only paid $1,000 a year to drive the car(not calculating interest)

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

Not many are going to care about those minimal differences. Look, I'm not shoving a Hyundai down your throat, I'm just pointing out that an equal, or maybe better car is out there as a Honda/Toyota alternative. Priced cheaper. More options. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

I don't intend to buy a hyundai for the forseeable future, I am merely pointing out some of the misleading information being paraded around in this thread by hyundai whores.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

dont forget that transmission of toyotas has been recalled.
but supposedly fixed now...

more != greater

of course you think that, you probably think GM putting 4 speed autos in their cars is still cool.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

dont forget that transmission of toyotas has been recalled.
but supposedly fixed now...

more != greater

of course you think that, you probably think GM putting 4 speed autos in their cars is still cool.

Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

dont forget that transmission of toyotas has been recalled.
but supposedly fixed now...

more != greater

of course you think that, you probably think GM putting 4 speed autos in their cars is still cool.

when you put 8 speeds in a car, and all it does is hunt for the proper gear... is that better?

no you dumbshlt

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Of course if you don't think that, then CVT's are infinitely better than transmissions with any number of fixed speeds since they have infinite number of gears.
As long as the gearing is a good match for the engine, and the shifts are smooth it's fine. GM engines have good low end torque, so they don't need many gears just to keep the engine in the rev band.

unfortunately, since CVTs are not based off of conventional planetary gearsets, the technology is not proven.

I've driven more crappy late model GM sedans than I care to count back, 4 speed autos suck no matter who makes them and no, GM sedan corporate mule motors do not have particularly more balls than any other make.

4 speeds is especially sucky because the response results in a digital sort of effect, either you're crusing around too slowly, or too much revs because it has to downshift a down a tall ass gear. There is no nice medium for brisk driving.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: OS
so what you really mean is the purported savings up front is eaten up by your gas expense and loss in resale value.

Some people would rather have a larger engine. If you do it Toyota/Honda's way, it would cost you the gas + even *more* money for the engine.

As far as resale value, you simply cannot say what they are going to be in 5-10 years.

actually, the new camry gets better rated mileage than the hyundai

Well, a base V6 Camry is around $23K vs. a base V6 Sonata at about $21. ~$2 price difference. With tax, price diff is around $2140. Thats about 713 gallons of gas. If the MPG rating is within 2 MPG, it would take over 200,000 miles to make up the difference.

And it has more power and a better automatic tranny, 6 spd vs 5.

dont forget that transmission of toyotas has been recalled.
but supposedly fixed now...

more != greater

of course you think that, you probably think GM putting 4 speed autos in their cars is still cool.

when you put 8 speeds in a car, and all it does is hunt for the proper gear... is that better?

no you dumbshlt

lol, we got a butthurt one here.