Hyundai Genesis

[maddogchen]

i saw the commercial and it said on the bottom korean model shown or something. I felt like it was a bait and switch.

 

[desy]

I prefer the G8 looks wise and I 'd think Pontiac is going to have more cachet than a Hyundai.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: desy
I prefer the G8 looks wise and I 'd think Pontiac is going to have more cachet than a Hyundai.

That's sort of like comparing McDonald's to Burger King when talking about burgers. Or maybe :

(A)- I want a kick in the nuts

(B)- I want a good poke in my eyes

 

[ElFenix]

when the ad came on i thought, 'bmw 5 series'

then they showed the grille and i thought, 'wtf merc? is that logo winged?'

then they showed the rear quarter view and i thought, 'bmw 5 series'

 

[EGGO]

Like it or not, Hyundai has come a loooong way from what it once was. I think this car may finally show that they're a force to be reckoned with.

For those that keep talking about how it's trying to imitate the luxury names, I always thought the Chrysler 300 tried to imitate RR's Phantom, and everybody loves the car.

 

[jtvang125]

If they're marketing this against the accord, camry, and maxima it may have a chance. Against MB, BMW, Lexus, Infiniti, Acura and Cadillac, it won't have a chance.

 

[0roo0roo]

the exterior styling still screams cheap sadly. mish mash knockoff. i know the quality is good now, but its not a chump change car. its gotta do more than just have an engine.

 

[theeedude]

35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

 

[Dudewithoutapet]

I believe more than cost cutting, they are expecting this thing to sell for way more than MSRP. People are getting so excited about the paper specs, I'm sure there's going to be a shortage and/or price premium for these.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: senseamp
35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

Well, back in the 80s, people would have never paid for a full-size Honda/Toyota product, particularly a truck.

Times change.

The real competition for this is the G8, maybe the Lincoln, and this looks much better, mishmash or not.

 

[amdhunter]

Originally posted by: senseamp
35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

Yeah, I think the stigma of the Hyundai name is going to hold this car back a little bit. Is the "Genesis" branding something like Lexus is to Toyota, or Acura to Honda?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: senseamp
35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

Well, back in the 80s, people would have never paid for a full-size Honda/Toyota product, particularly a truck.

Times change.

The real competition for this is the G8, maybe the Lincoln, and this looks much better, mishmash or not.

Times may change, but there is no reason to buy a 35K derivative looking Hyundai when you can have a great and original looking luxury brand Infiniti G35 for that much.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: senseamp
35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

Well, back in the 80s, people would have never paid for a full-size Honda/Toyota product, particularly a truck.

Times change.

The real competition for this is the G8, maybe the Lincoln, and this looks much better, mishmash or not.

Times may change, but there is no reason to buy a 35K derivative looking Hyundai when you can have a great and original looking luxury brand Infiniti G35 for that much.

the G35 is a much smaller car than this is. they're not really competitors.

infiniti is barely a luxury brand. theres the G35, the slightly larger G35 (called the M35) and the G35 wagon (called the FX35). that's it.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: senseamp
35K for a Hyundai? I don't think so. They should price it similar to Mustang to be competitive, IMO. At this price range, I'd much rather take a G35.

Well, back in the 80s, people would have never paid for a full-size Honda/Toyota product, particularly a truck.

Times change.

The real competition for this is the G8, maybe the Lincoln, and this looks much better, mishmash or not.

Times may change, but there is no reason to buy a 35K derivative looking Hyundai when you can have a great and original looking luxury brand Infiniti G35 for that much.

the G35 is a much smaller car than this is. they're not really competitors.

infiniti is barely a luxury brand. theres the G35, the slightly larger G35 (called the M35) and the G35 wagon (called the FX35). that's it.

So what? That's still a luxury brand. There is also EX35 coming. But the number of models is not the issue. G35 is the lower end of Infiniti. Infiniti owners aren't going to be servicing their cars at a dealer that also works on 15K Accents. Plus there is brand prestige. Hyundai still is synonymous with cheap in the US market. But worst of all is the knockoff styling. It just reinforces all stereotypes about cheap Asian brands that they have no image of their own.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: senseamp

So what? That's still a luxury brand. There is also EX35 coming. But the number of models is not the issue. G35 is the lower end of Infiniti. Infiniti owners aren't going to be servicing their cars at a dealer that also works on 15K Accents. Plus there is brand prestige. Hyundai still is synonymous with cheap in the US market. But worst of all is the knockoff styling. It just reinforces all stereotypes about cheap Asian brands that they have no image of their own.

there is no high end infiniti is my point. it's kinda like acura. infiniti is sorta half a luxury brand. there is the M35/45 and then...? nothing. maybe in a bit they'll come out with a new Q (please pick a better name than Q). but right now, its not. not that its hurting sales at all.

and G35s still aren't really the same market space at all. again, they're not competitors. they may cost about the same and be rwd imports from the far east, but that's about the extent of the comparison.

heck, your branding protest just serves to show that they're not really competitors. yups drive G35s, people who are a bit more value conscious will be looking at this.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: senseamp

So what? That's still a luxury brand. There is also EX35 coming. But the number of models is not the issue. G35 is the lower end of Infiniti. Infiniti owners aren't going to be servicing their cars at a dealer that also works on 15K Accents. Plus there is brand prestige. Hyundai still is synonymous with cheap in the US market. But worst of all is the knockoff styling. It just reinforces all stereotypes about cheap Asian brands that they have no image of their own.

there is no high end infiniti is my point. it's kinda like acura. infiniti is sorta half a luxury brand. there is the M35/45 and then...? nothing. maybe in a bit they'll come out with a new Q (please pick a better name than Q). but right now, its not. not that its hurting sales at all.

and G35s still aren't really the same market space at all. again, they're not competitors. they may cost about the same and be rwd imports from the far east, but that's about the extent of the comparison.

heck, your branding protest just serves to show that they're not really competitors. yups drive G35s, people who are a bit more value conscious will be looking at this.

Why would they be looking at it? People focused on value aren't looking at luxury performance cars. I really don't think the crowd looking at this kind of car will care about RWD, and this car will simply cannibalize some Azera sales.

 

[alimoalem]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: senseamp

So what? That's still a luxury brand. There is also EX35 coming. But the number of models is not the issue. G35 is the lower end of Infiniti. Infiniti owners aren't going to be servicing their cars at a dealer that also works on 15K Accents. Plus there is brand prestige. Hyundai still is synonymous with cheap in the US market. But worst of all is the knockoff styling. It just reinforces all stereotypes about cheap Asian brands that they have no image of their own.

there is no high end infiniti is my point. it's kinda like acura. infiniti is sorta half a luxury brand. there is the M35/45 and then...? nothing. maybe in a bit they'll come out with a new Q (please pick a better name than Q). but right now, its not. not that its hurting sales at all.

and G35s still aren't really the same market space at all. again, they're not competitors. they may cost about the same and be rwd imports from the far east, but that's about the extent of the comparison.

heck, your branding protest just serves to show that they're not really competitors. yups drive G35s, people who are a bit more value conscious will be looking at this.

Why would they be looking at it? People focused on value aren't looking at luxury performance cars. I really don't think the crowd looking at this kind of car will care about RWD, and this car will simply cannibalize some Azera sales.

i really don't know but maybe people interested in getting a bmw, lexus or benz but don't wanna spend the money, especially if they want a new car only

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: alimoalem

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: senseamp

So what? That's still a luxury brand. There is also EX35 coming. But the number of models is not the issue. G35 is the lower end of Infiniti. Infiniti owners aren't going to be servicing their cars at a dealer that also works on 15K Accents. Plus there is brand prestige. Hyundai still is synonymous with cheap in the US market. But worst of all is the knockoff styling. It just reinforces all stereotypes about cheap Asian brands that they have no image of their own.

there is no high end infiniti is my point. it's kinda like acura. infiniti is sorta half a luxury brand. there is the M35/45 and then...? nothing. maybe in a bit they'll come out with a new Q (please pick a better name than Q). but right now, its not. not that its hurting sales at all.

and G35s still aren't really the same market space at all. again, they're not competitors. they may cost about the same and be rwd imports from the far east, but that's about the extent of the comparison.

heck, your branding protest just serves to show that they're not really competitors. yups drive G35s, people who are a bit more value conscious will be looking at this.

Why would they be looking at it? People focused on value aren't looking at luxury performance cars. I really don't think the crowd looking at this kind of car will care about RWD, and this car will simply cannibalize some Azera sales.

i really don't know but maybe people interested in getting a bmw, lexus or benz but don't wanna spend the money, especially if they want a new car only

If money is a concern, there are a lot cheaper cars to get than a 35K Hyundai. For example Hyundai's own Azera. I guess if they went through the effort and actually designed a good looking original car, it may warrant a second look, but it's basically a knockoff of various other luxury brands, which makes it about as good of a value as a fake Rolex is compared to a real one.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Why would they be looking at it? People focused on value aren't looking at luxury performance cars. I really don't think the crowd looking at this kind of car will care about RWD, and this car will simply cannibalize some Azera sales.

did i say focusing on value? no. i said a bit more value conscious. being frugal doesn't mean you're eating turkey on wheat every day.

not to mention, yet again, this isn't a luxury performance car. not an answer to the IS, G, or 3 series.

RWD may not be a check box item for the target market, but a lot of people like how RWD cars drive without realizing that the way they drive is due to RWD.

and i think this car is bigger than the azera. could be wrong on that, though.

 

[dirtboy]

I love all the shit talking about the Genesis. I hope not many people buy it, because when my lease is up 1.5 years from now, the Genesis is a serious consideration... of course that will change once I get a chance to see it. Yea, it might not have a fancy name or be 3x's the price, but if you look at all the luxury features for the price they are claiming -- it's going to be a good deal. If someone laughs at me for driving a Hyundai, I'll laugh back knowing they paid 60k for their BMW and only got a 6 cylinder engine!

 

[Rio Rebel]

Hundai is a great value right now, if you're going to keep the car. I would have been happy in an Azera, and this Genesis looks very good.

If you're concerned with resale value, though, it's a big strike against. I decided this time I wanted a car that held its value.

Of course it doesn't appeal to the car snobs, but that's not where their market is. (No offense to the car snobs - I'm the same way with audio.)

 

[jonnyGURU]

I wouldn't discount Hyundai resale value these days. Had a friend looking for a second hand Santa Fe. With the higher interest rate on used vehicles (he didn't have enough to buy a used one w/ cash), it actually cost him LESS to go out and finance a brand new one.

I have had a Sonata for three years now and I must say that it's held up better mechanically and aesthetically than any of the cards I've had previously. Funny really, because the only reason I bought the car was because I needed something to drive to work that was cheap enough where I could pay cash for it. 😛

 

[Throckmorton]

I couldn't help but feel embarrassed driving it.

 

[Engineer]

Looks sort of like an S class Mercedes from certain angles.

Edit: and like a BMW from certain side angles.

I've noticed that Hyundai likes to copy the luxury class cars. Not the first one that borrowed items and likenesses from the luxury brands.

 

[Dudewithoutapet]

Look everyone had to start somewhere. Yes Hyundai is known as a "cheap" brand, but all the imports AFAIK started out that way too. What was Honda or Toyota way back when? So perhaps this is near a turning point for them and maybe, just maybe, their resale value will start going up. I honestly believe they are starting to make a name for themselves. Yes, they seem to be copying a little from here, a little from there; but I think this could apply to the majority of cars out there. Whenever I look at a new car, I always compare it to something I've seen elsewhere that looks similar in some way (i.e. lip, trunk, shape, etc, etc). They upped their warranty long before any American companies did, last I checked.

BTW, we all know Honda, Nissan, and Toyota all started with those names and THEN made their luxury line into a new brand. Maybe in a few years we'll see a higher class Hyundai.