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JS80

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Originally posted by: chambersc
There is no doubt I would do it. Love conquers all --- even a stint in the joint.

Originally posted by: Baked
I hate people who don't save money and live paycheck to paycheck. What a bum.

Since you obviously fail to see the point of the delimma, assume that you make 100,000 a year after taxes and the drug costs $350,000. The man can only garner $175,000 from friends. .... the point of the delimma was that the cost was just outside his reach.

if someone making $100k is too stupid to get good medical insurance, then yea it's his own doing.
 

fitzov

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You have to be more specific about the consequences for each alternative (to steal the drug or not) to answer the question under utilitarianism. Generally, it is ok to steal if the consequences are better than they would have been otherwise. In this case, it seems that it is better to steal the cure and save a life, however, there are details that could enter into the situation to change that. Perhaps the druggist was going to use the money to produce more of the drug to save ten people. In that case, ten people might be dying rather than one. You have to go by the specifics.
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: Baked
Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: Baked
I hate people who don't save money and live paycheck to paycheck. What a bum.

thats probably one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard, but then again, this is atot so it doesn't surprise me.

Ignorant 'cause unlike most americans I know how to manage my budget? Please. :roll:

Ignorant because minimum wage would necessitate living paycheck to paycheck. There are many Americans who have no choice; the best wage they can get is enough to feed their family and pay rent but not much else.

You've only seen the people that have a choice and foolishly throw all of their money away as soon as they earn it.
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Assuming there was no other way for him to get the money, then of course he should have.

He should also have spent enough time in jail to pay society for his crime.

/thread.

Pretty much. Do what you have to, but be ready to pay the consequences.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
Now people are going to go and look up what the different responses mean. I was trying to get unbiased samples.
Interesting ideas, but I don't have time to read it. What level was I at?
 

JS80

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Robin Hood was a criminal who should have been hung, then shot, then burned at the stake.
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: chambersc
There is no doubt I would do it. Love conquers all --- even a stint in the joint.

Originally posted by: Baked
I hate people who don't save money and live paycheck to paycheck. What a bum.

Since you obviously fail to see the point of the delimma, assume that you make 100,000 a year after taxes and the drug costs $350,000. The man can only garner $175,000 from friends. .... the point of the delimma was that the cost was just outside his reach.

if someone making $100k is too stupid to get good medical insurance, then yea it's his own doing.

Another one who misses the point. Okay, the product costs $1million, insurance pays $650,000 thus leaving you with the rest.....
 
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Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $ 1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug-for his wife.

Should Heinz have broken into the laboratory to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?

Taking Intro or Developmental Psych are we? Or Ethics?

If we concede that it's ok for the druggist to cause harm by caring about money more than his fellow man, we can make the leap that it's ok for the husband to care more his wife than his fellow man. In both cases we accept that personal interests matter more than societal expectations (to be compassionate & charitable, not to steal).

Conversely if we accept that it's not ok to think of oneself over our fellow man, then not only would the husband not steal the drug, but the druggist would not endanger someone for money.

Either way we argue it, the wife gets the drug and lives...which is the way it should be.

Following the robbery the man could be charged with the theft, which would also be reasonable. He would simply request a jury of his peers who would likely let him off given the circumstances. Even if he were punished for it the judge would very likely hand out a minimum sentence. Such a punishment if fully acceptable in return for saving a life...any life.

This can be taken as an economics debate as much so as an ethics debate. Is true capitalism viable in a moral society? This usually leads to the inescapable conclusion that economic policy must be subserviant to ethical and moral standards, and therefore capitalism (in its truest form) shunned. But that's a different topic.

You can also argue that there is not enough information provided. What steps were taken first? Is a patent held on the drug, will the government or other agency intervene, etc. It's really beyond the scope of the exercise, but it is vital information.
 

fitzov

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The questions about whether he should steal the drug or whether he should be punished for stealing are separate.
 

crystal

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Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: chambersc
There is no doubt I would do it. Love conquers all --- even a stint in the joint.

Originally posted by: Baked
I hate people who don't save money and live paycheck to paycheck. What a bum.

Since you obviously fail to see the point of the delimma, assume that you make 100,000 a year after taxes and the drug costs $350,000. The man can only garner $175,000 from friends. .... the point of the delimma was that the cost was just outside his reach.

if someone making $100k is too stupid to get good medical insurance, then yea it's his own doing.

Another one who misses the point. Okay, the product costs $1million, insurance pays $650,000 thus leaving you with the rest.....

Another one that miss the point. How much does that cup of water worth it to a man dying of thirst in the middle of the desert?
To the man trying to get the life saving drug for his wife, it doesn't matter whether he needs $1000 or a penny, if he can't get that last amount to pay for the drug then then that amount = his wife's live.
These type of questions are old as dirt and the Dem. used it to place higher taxes on the riches. :p ;) jk.
 

chambersc

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Originally posted by: crystal
Originally posted by: chambersc
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: chambersc
There is no doubt I would do it. Love conquers all --- even a stint in the joint.

Originally posted by: Baked
I hate people who don't save money and live paycheck to paycheck. What a bum.

Since you obviously fail to see the point of the delimma, assume that you make 100,000 a year after taxes and the drug costs $350,000. The man can only garner $175,000 from friends. .... the point of the delimma was that the cost was just outside his reach.

if someone making $100k is too stupid to get good medical insurance, then yea it's his own doing.

Another one who misses the point. Okay, the product costs $1million, insurance pays $650,000 thus leaving you with the rest.....

Another one that miss the point. How much does that cup of water worth it to a man dying of thirst in the middle of the desert?
To the man trying to get the life saving drug for his wife, it doesn't matter whether he needs $1000 or a penny, if he can't get that last amount to pay for the drug then then that amount = his wife's live.
These type of questions are old as dirt and the Dem. used it to place higher taxes on the riches. :p ;) jk.
My point was merely to counter the people making personal attacks on the husband due to other factors that aren't explicitly stated in the hypothetical delimma but should be inferred (can't manage money and no insurance). It shouldn't be inferred that he neither cannot manage his money properly nor does he have less than adequate insurance since it wasn't stated in the original post.
 

fitzov

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He wasn't right to do it at all. His actions could still be punished by law, assuming the "doctor" was doing things legally.

Moral rightness and prudence, or legality, are not the same thing.
 

Mo0o

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For the well being of society it's wrong legally and morally. The man had no right to infringe on someone else's rights by stealing to save his wife's life.
 

deepred98

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morally it is wrong, but practically that would be the right thing, albeit desperate thing, to do
 

AnthroAndStargate

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Originally posted by: CollectiveUnconscious
A woman was near death from a special kind of cancer. There was one drug that the doctors thought might save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $ 1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: "No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it." So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's store to steal the drug-for his wife.

Should Heinz have broken into the laboratory to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?


This is a homework question - and a common one at that.
 

ThaGrandCow

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I've got another hypothetical question: Could God microwave a burrito so hot that it burned even His mouth?

As for the OP: bounce a check. By the time it comes back non-sufficient funds, the wife has already taken the pill.
 

Mo0o

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Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
I've got another hypothetical question: Could God microwave a burrito so hot that it burned even His mouth?

As for the OP: bounce a check. By the time it comes back non-sufficient funds, the wife has already taken the pill.
I believe it is impossible for him to not be able to eat it given the nature of infinity. THe burrito woudl be infinitly hot yet god can stand infinite degrees, thus it could never be so hot that god couldn't eat it.
 

Praxis1452

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Get the drug. Save a bit. Get another chemist to analyze it. Then spread it around the world and give the pig a good punch in the nose. =)
 

Ramma2

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I would break into his house, steal the information, and distribute it freely on the internet. The information would spread and millions of lives would be saved. In this case the benefits justified the crime.
 

Ramma2

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Originally posted by: ThaGrandCow
I've got another hypothetical question: Could God microwave a burrito so hot that it burned even His mouth?

As for the OP: bounce a check. By the time it comes back non-sufficient funds, the wife has already taken the pill.


God is smart enough to know that you only need 2-3 mins on that sh!t to get it hot enough.
 

CollectiveUnconscious

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Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Taking Intro or Developmental Psych are we? Or Ethics?

Teach Social and Motivational Psych.

Originally posted by: AnthroAndStargate
This is a homework question - and a common one at that.

I don't know of any professor that uses this as a homework question, as there is no correct answer, unless it's paired with stages and one is asked to identify the stage.
 

jjones

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Heinz is weak and should be castrated so his seed does not spread. He should have killed the druggist, cured his wife and sold the drug for his own profit.