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Hypothetical poll

Am I guilty of murder?

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Amused

Amused

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If a man jumps off a 100 story building intending to commit suicide and I shoot him in the head on the way down, am I guilty of murder?

😕
 
Yes, if you kill someone without their consent, regardless of their future intentions you are guilty of murder.
 
Amused said:
Nope
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that's how ti opens--it claims to be pulled form the newspaper, but I'm not sure how true it is.

teenager on top of apartment building, suicidal, jumps off, ignorant that nets had been installed that week due to painters.

meanwhile, regular domestic dispute is going on several floor below. usually unloaded gun was loaded, in secret, and woman fires the gun at crazy husband, misses, and shoots the kid as he's falling past the window. bullet kills him, and he would have lived otherwise due to having been saved by the nets below.

woman is arrested for manslaughter.

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zinfamous said:
that's how ti opens--it claims to be pulled form the newspaper, but I'm not sure how true it is.

teenager on top of apartment building, suicidal, jumps off, ignorant that nets had been installed that week due to painters.

meanwhile, regular domestic dispute is going on several floor below. usually unloaded gun was loaded, in secret, and woman fires the gun at crazy husband, misses, and shoots the kid as he's falling past the window. bullet kills him, and he would have lived otherwise due to having been saved by the nets below.

woman is arrested for manslaughter.

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That's fair, regardless of his intentions if you kill someone you accept the consequences.
 
Well the answer is obviously yes

If you kill someone intentionally regardless of the circumstances, its always murder
If you used the argument "but he was gonna die anyway", you could that with every person since we all die of old age eventually, its just a matter of time
 
What about if someone jumps off a building and you place a large spike strip beneath him? He probably would have died, you just made it a certainty.
 
We discussed a similar case in law school, but I can't remember if it was just a hypothetical, or a real case.

Can't remember the answer either.

I do remember there was more involved. It was really bizarre, like the shooter was actually trying to commit suicide but missed and the bullet went through the window and hit another guy who was committing suicide by jumping off the building. Something like that.
 
tk149 said:
We discussed a similar case in law school, but I can't remember if it was just a hypothetical, or a real case.

Can't remember the answer either.

I do remember there was more involved. It was really bizarre, like the shooter was actually trying to commit suicide but missed and the bullet went through the window and hit another guy who was committing suicide by jumping off the building. Something like that.
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It's a myth. An old one.
 
ShadowOfMyself said:
Well the answer is obviously yes

If you kill someone intentionally regardless of the circumstances, its always murder
If you used the argument "but he was gonna die anyway", you could that with every person since we all die of old age eventually, its just a matter of time
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This is the answer that makes sense to me. Yes absent a miracle he would be dead once he hit the pavement but if you fired the shot with the intent to kill him and succeed in killing him then you committed murder.
 
While we are at it, might as well come up with other scenarios

1 - What if youre holding the gun but someone else forces you to shoot? He never touches the gun, only your hand

2 - This should be pretty common... Say you try to hit a robber in a non vital spot but you end up killing him because of bad aim, still a murderer?

3 - What if someone pays you to kill them? Is consensual murder not murder?
 
ShadowOfMyself said:
While we are at it, might as well come up with other scenarios

1 - What if youre holding the gun but someone else forces you to shoot? He never touches the gun, only your hand

2 - This should be pretty common... Say you try to hit a robber in a non vital spot but you end up killing him because of bad aim, still a murderer?

3 - What if someone pays you to kill them? Is consensual murder not murder?
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If you kill someone who is robbing you, it isn't murder anyway.
 
If a man jumps off a 100 story building intending to commit suicide and I catch him over the ledge and then decide to let him go... am I a murdererererr? 😛
 
"I'm just gonna start firing this gun into the air in front of me. If you walk in front of one of my bullets, it's your fault!"
 
we're you purposely aiming at him and did you plan it out? Or was he just falling at the time you were shooting outside?
 
pretty basic law school hypothetical - answer is yes, it's murder.


To this day, I still remember just one question from the NY Bar Exam. Pretty much caused gasps/laughs from everyone in the room as they got to it.

Al wants to kill Barry. Al meets with Charlie, believing Charlie to be a contract killer, and hires him to kill Barry. Charlie is actually an undercover police officer and decides to stage Barry's death and arrest Al after payment is made.

Charlie has Don, another police officer, lay down on his stomach in a pool of fake blood, and then Charlie calls Al to come to the scene and make payment. Al arrives, sees the "dead" body, pulls out a revolver, and shoots the body three times, killing Don.

What crimes, if any, has Al committed?
 
What if the force of the bullet knocks him inside a window on the 99th floor and he fully recovered? Would you be guilty of attempted murder or assault for saving him from suicide?
 
Jeeebus said:
pretty basic law school hypothetical - answer is yes, it's murder.


To this day, I still remember just one question from the NY Bar Exam. Pretty much caused gasps/laughs from everyone in the room as they got to it.

Al wants to kill Barry. Al meets with Charlie, believing Charlie to be a contract killer, and hires him to kill Barry. Charlie is actually an undercover police officer and decides to stage Barry's death and arrest Al after payment is made.

Charlie has Don, another police officer, lay down on his stomach in a pool of fake blood, and then Charlie calls Al to come to the scene and make payment. Al arrives, sees the "dead" body, pulls out a revolver, and shoots the body three times, killing Don.

What crimes, if any, has Al committed?
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You could argue murder, by argueing that he fired the bullets into the 'body' to be sure he was dead, meaning that he was not sure and was intending to kill him, but might not be able to get a conviction on that. More likely, he has committed manslaughter. He, through reckless action, caused the death of another person.
 
zinfamous said:
see, then it's considered a humane act.

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Yea, kinda like a dog. Most people would not want to see their pet suffer in pain. So they "put the poor animal out of its miserly"

If the guy jumped out of 100 story building, he is probably going to be messed up for life - if he survives. So just shoot him anyway.
 
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