Hypothetical: An Earth-like planet is found, your colony ship is sent to colonize

[Gibsons]

How about nanobots that can consume local materials and make copies of themselves? :sneaky:

What could possibly go wrong. :whiste:

 

[IcePickFreak]

dude, he isn't a people doctor, he is either a pizza doctor or a veterinarian, as far as i can figure out

Well I figured he was a pizza doctor. There's no way I'm flying across the galaxy and/or universe without bringing our foremost pizza expert. My planet will be known for the best brothels and pizza in the universe!

Hmmm, we're going to need beer. Looks I'm shanghaing MagnusTheBrewer next.

 

[FoBoT]

Looks I'm shanghaing MagnusTheBrewer next.

:thumbsup:

if we get sick, at least we'll die happy

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Well I figured he was a pizza doctor. There's no way I'm flying across the galaxy and/or universe without bringing our foremost pizza expert. My planet will be known for the best brothels and pizza in the universe!

Hmmm, we're going to need beer. Looks I'm shanghaing MagnusTheBrewer next.

I'm already signed up. Bring your own mug.

 

[Meghan54]

No nurses (sorry); if there's a medical labour shortage, some people could be trained on the fly to cover the basic things.

Actually, I'd think that'd be rather short sighted. Most, if not all, MD's have the hands-on experience nurses have. So, instead of a bunch of different specialist MD's, I'd much rather have a couple of surgeons, four general practice MD's, and quite a few nurse practitioners. The FNP's (family nurse practitioners) can function as general practice MD's (what they're trained for) as well as general nursing duties, from whence they came.



Don't think you'll see too many MD's wanting to wipe poopie butts or puke or blood like nurses do routinely. You want many more "Indians" and fewer "Chiefs".

 

[Zedtom]

Once you get settled in on the new planet and things are going smoothly some asshole and his family are going to show up and want to move in right next to where you're living.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Well I figured he was a pizza doctor. There's no way I'm flying across the galaxy and/or universe without bringing our foremost pizza expert. My planet will be known for the best brothels and pizza in the universe!

Hmmm, we're going to need beer. Looks I'm shanghaing MagnusTheBrewer next.

i hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature

 

[darkxshade]

So, what type of people do you choose for your 100 person colony? Any particular supplies you'd want to bring with you?

Hookers and uh... blow?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Actually, I'd think that'd be rather short sighted. Most, if not all, MD's have the hands-on experience nurses have. So, instead of a bunch of different specialist MD's, I'd much rather have a couple of surgeons, four general practice MD's, and quite a few nurse practitioners. The FNP's (family nurse practitioners) can function as general practice MD's (what they're trained for) as well as general nursing duties, from whence they came.



Don't think you'll see too many MD's wanting to wipe poopie butts or puke or blood like nurses do routinely. You want many more "Indians" and fewer "Chiefs".

Why surgeons?

Also, not sure whether wiping butts or puke or blood will be a priority. It's not like we're going to be choosing a representative sample of the population. Ideally, they'd all be around 25-30, none of them will smoke; few will drink; etc. It's unlikely that more than one person in the group will have a genetic disease, or any other non-traumatic complaint, for several decades.

 

[Eli]

Do you have any clue how hard it would be for DNA and an incredibly complex single-celled organism to form from nothing? Just having all the elements in place is not enough. It would take an incomprehensible number of Earth-like planets to find another one that happened to form life.

...I suppose you mean, oxygen? Yeah. I understand that Earth's oxygen came from microorganisms. But I interpret "Earth-like" to mean similar mass, composition, and solar energy. Molten core, magnetic field, water in all 3 states.

Proper terra-forming and colonization would require the introduction of microbes that would produce an oxygenated atmosphere.

Uh.. I assumed the premise is that this planet has already been terraformed.. It just doesn't have humans on it. While colonizing another Earth like planet would certainly present challenges, and a major one would be the local microorganisms.. actually terraforming a desolate planet is on a whole different level.

I'd actually be surprised if there is such thing as an Earth-like planet in the Goldilocks zone that hasn't already formed life assuming it's more than a couple of billion years old. Life just happens if the proper ingredients are present for a long enough time.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Do you have any clue how hard it would be for DNA and an incredibly complex single-celled organism to form from nothing? Just having all the elements in place is not enough. It would take an incomprehensible number of Earth-like planets to find another one that happened to form life.

...I suppose you mean, oxygen? Yeah. I understand that Earth's oxygen came from microorganisms. But I interpret "Earth-like" to mean similar mass, composition, and solar energy. Molten core, magnetic field, water in all 3 states.

Proper terra-forming and colonization would require the introduction of microbes that would produce an oxygenated atmosphere.

1) We're going under the assumption that 'Earth-like' means same kind of emission spectrum. Which means nitrogen and oxygen.
2) There is no reason why life on this new planet need be DNA-based, or even carbon-based. Though non-carbon-based life would be pretty difficult to live off.
3) There is no reason why life need be cellular.
4) You don't actually know how many similar planets it would, on average, take to produce life. Even if you did know, it's not really very relevant anyway.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I'd actually be surprised if there is such thing as an Earth-like planet in the Goldilocks zone that hasn't already formed life assuming it's more than a couple of billion years old. Life just happens if the proper ingredients are present for a long enough time.

Said like it's fact without any proof. LOL.

 

[CottonRabbit]

Why surgeons?

So you don't have to be like this guy or worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Rogozov

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

So you don't have to be like this guy or worse: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Rogozov

In adults, acute appendicitis has an incidence of 10 cases per 100,000 population per year. So in 100 people, that makes about one case every 10 years. One surgery every year or less is nowhere near enough to justify keeping a surgeon plus an anaesthetist, plus taking the time and manpower to create and maintain a full sterile field for that many people. I'd assume that some non-surgical specialist would have the knowledge to perform relatively simple procedures. I don't think we'd have to account for many brain surgeries or liver transplants here. Mostly trauma and infections.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

In adults, acute appendicitis has an incidence of 10 cases per 100,000 population per year. So in 100 people, that makes about one case every 10 years. One surgery every year or less is nowhere near enough to justify keeping a surgeon plus an anaesthetist, plus taking the time and manpower to create and maintain a full sterile field for that many people. I'd assume that some non-surgical specialist would have the knowledge to perform relatively simple procedures. I don't think we'd have to account for many brain surgeries or liver transplants here. Mostly trauma and infections.

I'm pretty sure I can take care of an appendicitis.

 

[gotsmack]

10 geologists
4 Drs specializing in different areas, but none that focus on any genetic disease or cancer. You only want to fix what could be fixed in the early 1900s, or stuff that spreads quickly.
22 botanists/agricultural science people
4 chemical engineers
20 mechanical engineers
2 electrical engineers
2 textile processing people
2 tailors
2 carpenters
2 survival experts
2 shipwrights - for advanced wooden ships and early metal hull designs
2 plumbers
2 blacksmiths/forge operators/smelters
2 repair techs for your technology that you bring along and rip from your ship

Dunno about the rest yet

100 people isn't enough to maintain a high tech society that has to start over from scratch. You don't have the maintenance facilities to maintain your tech and it'll eventually fail and you'll be kicked back to maybe 1940s technology if you planned enough by then.

Most of the first 30 days will be spent identifying a good place to set up camp, farm, identify edible plants, and identifying natural resources like oil, chemicals, and metals.

You'll have to figure out how many people the land can support in a given area and the try to ramp up population as much as possible. This is best done by producing as much food as you can and then preserving it. Ideally you will only spend 1 or 2 seasons growing food and the remaining time spent in developing the technology tree necesary to get back up to your old level. Might have to start with transportation and communication.

 

[CZroe]

... Life just happens if the proper ingredients are present for a long enough time.

Bwaaa ha ha ha! So BRAINWASHED by the hopeless romantics that you just say it like fact. People HOPE that what you say is true and that's what gives them enough reason to keep searching, but all indications are that it is nothing more than wishful nonsensical thinking based on our own existance. Until life is found elsewhere, you have ONE data point out of near-infinite chances: Earth.

You think it is possible for planet to have earth like conditions but not have life??

Ab-so-freakin'-lutely. You don't?!

i disagree. given eleventy billion chemical interactions over eleventy billion years, all you need is 1 planet. if repeated, the final result might not be exactly the same every time but it would happen.

And in eleventy-billion years, it may no longer be habitable.

 

[zinfamous]

3 structural engineers, 5 medics/physicians, 1 infections disease expert, 3 medical/science technicians, 1 PA, 3 Rangers/Foresters.


2 soothsayers, 4 teachers (K-16), some hippy dude with a bible/koran/jew book/whatthe fuckever.


A ship of mostly educated, wilderness trained folks. Not a god damn politician, but a local small-town "leader"






And 6 brazillian super models.

 

[DigDog]

hardly the subject for a forum (it's the stuff you talk about, not type), but the first thing i can think of is that *before* the ship arrives, new technology would have a ship that gets there first.

example - speed of light (very inaccurate) 1.080. 000. 000 mph
reasonable speed we can get from thruster technology - 300.000 mph
distance of proxima - 4.2 years x 3600 = 15.000years of travel

we can get better technology before the ship is even halfway. if we kept launching ships, they would "never get there",ie, they would be surpassed by younger ships. while philosophically this sounds like something further than a certain distance is "infinitely far" (not going to proxima this year is actually faster than going - if you board today, you get there in 15k years. if you board in 10 years, you get there in 14k . etc..), the reasoning is that "we" would never get there.
the concept of "we" would be surpassed before we could cover that distance. though it is real, it is conceptually "infinite" for our species.

 

[eits]

5 of the world's top geneticists, 5 of the world's top virologists, 10 of the world's top engineers, 10 metallurgists, 20 laborers/peons, 30 people with no family history of disease (8 men, 22 women), 5 top surgeons, 4 musicians of different random genera, 6 of the world's most hardassed heroes/wilderness types ever, 2 of the world's top botanists, the world's top author, thomas jefferson, and neil degrasse tyson.

there would be 10000 protective suits, equipment requested by the scientists and enough materials requested by the engineers just in case the scientists needed something new made, tons of paper and pens, antibiotics (just in case the new world is THAT similar), arms and ammo, the united states constitution, and tons of books about various things (fictions, science, autobiographies, history, self-help, etc)...

everyone but the occasional average person would be wearing it... i say average because studies must be conducted about the environment and how save it is. eventually, the population will have grown enough and enough time will have passed to have conducted enough research and experimentation (with lives lost by disease, etc.) to better understand the environment.

 

[Bateluer]

hardly the subject for a forum (it's the stuff you talk about, not type), but the first thing i can think of is that *before* the ship arrives, new technology would have a ship that gets there first.

example - speed of light (very inaccurate) 1.080. 000. 000 mph
reasonable speed we can get from thruster technology - 300.000 mph
distance of proxima - 4.2 years x 3600 = 15.000years of travel

we can get better technology before the ship is even halfway. if we kept launching ships, they would "never get there",ie, they would be surpassed by younger ships. while philosophically this sounds like something further than a certain distance is "infinitely far" (not going to proxima this year is actually faster than going - if you board today, you get there in 15k years. if you board in 10 years, you get there in 14k . etc..), the reasoning is that "we" would never get there.
the concept of "we" would be surpassed before we could cover that distance. though it is real, it is conceptually "infinite" for our species.

This wasn't part of the scenario provided. If it makes you feel better, you may consider Earth destroyed by liberal politicians or nuclear war and incapable of sending anything else.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

You arrive at the planet some 5,000 years later only to learn another craft launched 500 years after you had been there for 2500 years and now look at you like cavemen. But, as a consolation prize, you bring a bug that kills them all and you steal their colony!

 

[FoBoT]

5 of the world's top geneticists, 5 of the world's top virologists, 10 of the world's top engineers, 10 metallurgists, 20 laborers/peons, 30 people with no family history of disease (8 men, 22 women), 5 top surgeons, 4 musicians of different random genera, 6 of the world's most hardassed heroes/wilderness types ever, 2 of the world's top botanists, the world's top author, thomas jefferson, and neil degrasse tyson.

i would take very few if any 'eggheads', i would want more practical types and rely on future children to be the 'sit at a desk brainiac types'
i want construction workers, field engineers, technicians and mechanics, people that know how to work more than just how to think

i'd probably require a test to go, make them build a rube goldberg device, hold a Rube Goldberg Machine Contest and take a few of the winners, i want people that can figure stuff out on the fly

and of course, CHUCK NORRIS

 

[Farang]

50 lawyers, a good amount with military backgrounds and/or strong physical characteristics. 25 construction/mining/trades foreman with backgrounds in the trade. 10 engineers of various disciplines. 15 farmers.

 

[DigDog]

the whole point is that it's irrelevant who you chose. a form of chaos theory dictates that over such time(not just the trip, but the settling too), you could bring the right mix of scientists, or a boatload of skanks, and the result would be the same. all species have a minimum survivability number, and as specialised animals ours is very high.

so i go for a boatload of skanks.