Hypocrisy quiz for Cain supporters

[Craig234]

Don't be such a goddamned racist.

And you go on ignore, too.

But honestly I've never held a lack or excess of political experience against a man when considering him for public office.

Who cares? The topic isn't how you feel about experience.

 

[werepossum]

Stupid liberals displaying their idiocy once again.

Obama wasn't criticized for his lack of governmental bureaucracy experience. When you follow woolfe's advice, I'm sure you'll see the "unqualified" or "inexperienced" complaints regarding Obama were generally centered regarding his lack of *executive* experience, AKA demonstrated ability to lead a large organization, such as a business.....or the country, etc.

Pretty much exactly the opposite of Cain.

Craig thread is fail, as usual.

Exactly right. Cain is inexperienced in government though, so that counts for something, and Obama will by January 2013 have four years of executive experience. But it's probably easier to take advice about the proper way to deal with Congress (and other nations) than about basic economics, so Cain might be equal or even ahead. So between the two it would come down to philosophy - do you think a business leader would do a better job of fixing the economy, or does a big government politician know best? Will Obama's four years of bad decisions equal good judgment like the old saw says, or will he merely continue down the same course or even double down, assuming that the only problems with his ideas are the poor ability of those implementing them and the Republicans' preventing him from implementing even more?

The choice between the two would be stark, all business versus all government. I suspect everyone on this board can make in November 2012 the same decision they'd make right now.

 

[rudder]

I don't consider killing that piece of shit named OBL a failure.

lets keep hanging on to that one event shall we. Even though the extent of obama's involvement was saying go ahead. If we give credit to obama for killing osama bin laden... lets also give obama credit for letting a stealth helicopter get into the hands of the chinese military.

And forget the fact that he was in such a rush to announce to the world his success... that much of the intelligence materials retrieved from OBL's compound quickly became useless with that announcement.

if you want to base obama's presidency on this one event... go ahead.

 

[Craig234]

I am not a Cain supporter, but I'd say that running a major corporation is better experience than a couple years as a community organizer followed by a few minutes in the Senate before running for office.

Showing you are totally clueless about good government and don't appreciate what's needed. Businessman or general! Yay!

 

[Ausm]

lets keep hanging on to that one event shall we. Even though the extent of obama's involvement was saying go ahead. If we give credit to obama for killing osama bin laden... lets also give obama credit for letting a stealth helicopter get into the hands of the chinese military.

And forget the fact that he was in such a rush to announce to the world his success... that much of the intelligence materials retrieved from OBL's compound quickly became useless with that announcement.

if you want to base obama's presidency on this one event... go ahead.

Ultimately he had the final decision to go and if it would have failed the Repuglicans would had a field day with it (Look no further then when Jimmy Carter's mission failure) no?? I forgot that President Obama was the one who crashed the chopper and improperly blew it up too

You sound like the type of person who would bitch if they were hung with a new rope

 

[nageov3t]

Showing you are totally clueless about good government and don't appreciate what's needed. Businessman or general! Yay!

a sound and compelling argument :thumbsup:

my bare threshold for "qualified" would be successfully running a major organization, or completing a term as a governor or in a national office.

 

[werepossum]

Ultimately he had the final decision to go and if it would have failed the Repuglicans would had a field day with it (Look no further then when Jimmy Carter's mission failure) no?? I forgot that President Obama was the one who crashed the chopper and improperly blew it up too

You sound like the type of person who would bitch if they were hung with a new rope

This is true. Obama deserves credit because he was the one who made the hard call; the buck stops there for either credit or blame. And the call to send in forces rather than missiles probably was a hard one. He also claims to have put more emphasis on UBL than did Bush, and since he made that claim before UBL was killed, it seems reasonable to accept it. Had he not overplayed his hand with his "I love me some me" speech, he'd probably have gotten more of a bump from it. Although considering that al Qaeda is already so reduced a threat and the economy is so bad, his potential bounce was probably quite limited anyway.

However, the voters are more likely to say what have you done for me lately than to look back at killing UBL as a signal accomplishment. Americans tend to see the President as running the country, especially the economy. And in that light, Cain's business experience may look good against Obama's failure to fix the economy.

 

[Ausm]

This is true. Obama deserves credit because he was the one who made the hard call; the buck stops there for either credit or blame. And the call to send in forces rather than missiles probably was a hard one. He also claims to have put more emphasis on UBL than did Bush, and since he made that claim before UBL was killed, it seems reasonable to accept it. Had he not overplayed his hand with his "I love me some me" speech, he'd probably have gotten more of a bump from it. Although considering that al Qaeda is already so reduced a threat and the economy is so bad, his potential bounce was probably quite limited anyway.

However, the voters are more likely to say what have you done for me lately than to look back at killing UBL as a signal accomplishment. Americans tend to see the President as running the country, especially the economy. And in that light, Cain's business experience may look good against Obama's failure to fix the economy.

Very true most people who really don't pay attention to Politics have a very short memory.

I also do recognize and commented on the fact that his "hands off" approach to Governing may come back to bite him in the ass.

I am hoping his Pivot to a more proactive stance is not just for show and will be a preview on how he will Govern if his is to be reelected.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Very true most people who really don't pay attention to Politics have a very short memory.

I also do recognize and commented on the fact that his "hands off" approach to Governing may come back to bite him in the ass.

I am hoping his Pivot to a more proactive stance is not just for show and will be a preview on how he will Govern if his is to be reelected.

You call it 'hands off' I call it shirking responsibility. He has a duty to LEAD and set the direction of this country but he is unwilling to do so because he thinks he can make everyone else make the hard decisions and he can come across as Mr. Nice Guy. He wants the buck to stop with everyone else while claiming it stops with him.

 

[IGBT]

your obama is a unexperienced man child. If it wasn't for the media concoction of "the obama" he would still be posting community agitator bills on telephone poles. Your obama is purely a media creation.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Godfather pizza used to be super good like 25 years ago. I wonder if that was when he was CEO? It has gotten steadily worse ever since. Actually I think it was longer than that. I was like 8 when it was good and I'm 37 now.

 

[hal2kilo]

Godfather pizza used to be super good like 25 years ago. I wonder if that was when he was CEO? It has gotten steadily worse ever since. Actually I think it was longer than that. I was like 8 when it was good and I'm 37 now.

I thought they had gone out of business. None of the franchises are open in the Northwest.

I liked their pizza and the price was very competative. Anyway Cain, took over when Pilsbury bought it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godfather's_Pizza

 

[soundforbjt]

Godfather pizza used to be super good like 25 years ago. I wonder if that was when he was CEO? It has gotten steadily worse ever since. Actually I think it was longer than that. I was like 8 when it was good and I'm 37 now.

He was in charge from '86 to '94, iirc. It had already started to suck by then and hasn't gotten better.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Yeah that was after I used to love it. Only a couple of years though.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

F) I thought Obama was qualified and found out the hard way how stupid and gullible I was...just about anybody else is better.

 

[Fern]

Stupid liberals displaying their idiocy once again.

Obama wasn't criticized for his lack of governmental bureaucracy experience. When you follow woolfe's advice, I'm sure you'll see the "unqualified" or "inexperienced" complaints regarding Obama were generally centered regarding his lack of *executive* experience, AKA demonstrated ability to lead a large organization, such as a business.....or the country, etc.

Pretty much exactly the opposite of Cain.

Craig thread is fail, as usual.

^This.

Many feel being a CEO of a large company is, as good if not, better experience than being a govt employee.

Fern

 

[JS80]

Nice thread title!

 

[soundforbjt]

^This.

Many feel being a CEO of a large company is, as good if not, better experience than being a govt employee.

Fern

Let's see, CEO is well usually well-versed in cronyism, able to make out ok (golden parachutes, etc) even if they fail, and have absolute power over the workers (poor).

Yep, they're perfectly suited for the job. :sneaky:

 

[Ausm]

You call it 'hands off' I call it shirking responsibility. He has a duty to LEAD and set the direction of this country but he is unwilling to do so because he thinks he can make everyone else make the hard decisions and he can come across as Mr. Nice Guy. He wants the buck to stop with everyone else while claiming it stops with him.

Why are you so pissed do you really think McSame would done a better job? You would never voted for him in the first place.

I am answered a valid retort from another person on this forum so really do you need to chew my ass about something that really isn't your fucking business to begin with?

Just take an Aspirin and spoon with your Ronnie Raygun blow-up doll things will be better in the morning.

 

[Lanyap]

He has run a pizza company.

After completing his master's degree from Purdue, Cain left the Department of the Navy and began working for The Coca-Cola Company as a business analyst. In 1977, he joined Pillsbury where he rose to the position of Vice President by the early 1980s. He left his executive post to work for Burger King – a Pillsbury subsidiary at the time – managing 400 stores in the Philadelphia area. Under Cain's leadership, his region went from the least profitable for Burger King to the most profitable in three years. This prompted Pillsbury to appoint him President and CEO of Godfather's Pizza, another of their then-subsidiaries. Within 14 months, Cain had taken Godfather's Pizza from 911 stores down to 420 stores and reduced costs significantly. As a result of his efforts Godfather's Pizza finally became profitable. In a leveraged buyout in 1988, Cain, Executive Vice-President and COO Ronald B. Gartlan and a group of investors bought Godfather's from Pillsbury. Cain continued as CEO until 1996, when he was asked to resign by the board. Later that year he became CEO of the National Restaurant Association – a trade group and lobby organization for the restaurant industry – where he had previously been chairman concurrently with his role at Godfather's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain

 

[Craig234]

Yup. Burgers and pizzas, and heading a lobbying group.

Got more on the quoted history?

'asked to resign by the board' doesn't sound all that good.

Closing half the stores may have been one way to cut costs. Maybe we can close half of America to cut costs.

 

[UberNeuman]

Yup. Burgers and pizzas, and heading a lobbying group.

Got more on the quoted history?

'asked to resign by the board' doesn't sound all that good.

Closing half the stores may have been one way to cut costs. Maybe we can close half of America to cut costs.

and with this: Donny Trump should be the GOP front-runner....

\failing upward

 

[PeshakJang]

Yup. Burgers and pizzas, and heading a lobbying group.

Got more on the quoted history?

'asked to resign by the board' doesn't sound all that good.

Closing half the stores may have been one way to cut costs. Maybe we can close half of America to cut costs.

Poor little Craig... Falling apart at the seams in his own terrible thread.

 

[Lanyap]

Yup. Burgers and pizzas, and heading a lobbying group.

Got more on the quoted history?

'asked to resign by the board' doesn't sound all that good.

Closing half the stores may have been one way to cut costs. Maybe we can close half of America to cut costs.

At least Cain had real jobs. Did Obama ever have a real job?

 

[UberNeuman]

At least Cain had real jobs. Did Obama ever have a real job?

Being asked to resign isn't something I'd put on my job history....

\they asked me to resign - well, y'know.. because they couldn't handle my awesomeness..