Hypocrasy

[Deeko]

To start things off, I can't spell Hypocrasy. I'm assuming its wrong.

Now then.

Ever notice how the two major political parties are so hypocritical when it comes to death/life? Republicans are pro death penalty, pro war, but pro life for abortions, and against pulling the plug on people like Schiavo. Democracts are the exact opposite.

Me? I'm pro-death in all situations. Yea! At least I'm consistant.

Defend yourselves.....go!

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: Deeko
To start things off, I can't spell Hypocrasy. I'm assuming its wrong.

Now then.

Ever notice how the two major political parties are so hypocritical when it comes to death/life? Republicans are pro death penalty, pro war, but pro life for abortions, and against pulling the plug on people like Schiavo. Democracts are the exact opposite.

Me? I'm pro-death in all situations. Yea! At least I'm consistant.

Defend yourselves.....go!

My favorite form of hypocracy is when you have pro-life people, killing other humans to prove their 'pro-life' stance. Umm.... right

 

[Genx87]

I am republican and pro life and against the death penalty. But I am not against the death penalty for a moral reason but because our system is not perfect enough to warrant the state the right to execute a criminal.

As for the reasoning behind the a-typical pro-life\pro-death penalty typical of republicans.

Abortion is the ending of a human life when it committed no crime. Ending the life of a terry schiavo is the ending of a human life with no crime. Ending of a guy who raped and murdered a 12 year old is the ending of a human life who did something.

Whether you agree with ending human life is a different story.

I cant speak for democrats who are even more backwards when they are fine with killing the innocent but keeping the convicted alive and well.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am republican and pro life and against the death penalty. But I am not against the death penalty for a moral reason but because our system is not perfect enough to warrant the state the right to execute a criminal.

As for the reasoning behind the a-typical pro-life\pro-death penalty typical of republicans.

Abortion is the ending of a human life when it committed no crime. Ending the life of a terry schiavo is the ending of a human life with no crime. Ending of a guy who raped and murdered a 12 year old is the ending of a human life who did something.

Whether you agree with ending human life is a different story.

I cant speak for democrats who are even more backwards when they are fine with killing the innocent but keeping the convicted alive and well.

how are we more backwards? the only death they accept is of fetuses, their being a person at that point is debatable. That's no more inconsistent than being fine with the death of innocent lives in Iraq. Both parties have their double standards. Don't be ignorant.

As for me, I too am against the death penalty but only because it seems to have a lot of problems in how its carried out. I don't actually have a problem with executing killers. As for abortion. I'm ok with aborting embryos about (9 weeks) but past that I'm not so sure I agree with it. The fetus is starting to take on human characteristics (not just a ball of cells anymore).

 

[conjur]

Democrats are pro-death? Interesting. I thought they were pro-choice. Silly me.

 

[Tom]

"Abortion is the ending of a human life when it committed no crime."

What about the sperm fertilizing the egg without permission law ?

 

[Stunt]

The one thing i don't get when it comes to the liberal platform is...
Liberals tend to be protectionist, but at the same time advocate foreign aid.
It has been proven many times over that economic stimulus is far more productive than food aid as it increases the standard of living for all generations, not just a temporal feeding. Ever since outsourcing came about, our standard of living has increased, and so has theirs. The third world wealth is accelerating faster than it ever has.
Liberals while they seem caring and forgiving internationally, they are really quite greedy and protective of their power in the world.
This is a major flaw in their platform.
The rest seems to be ok, every moral stance and tax/spending stance has a valid point and equilibrium depending on how much you believe in individual rights.

 

[kogase]

Dude.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The one thing i don't get when it comes to the liberal platform is...
Liberals tend to be protectionist, but at the same time advocate foreign aid.
It has been proven many times over that economic stimulus is far more productive than food aid as it increases the standard of living for all generations, not just a temporal feeding. Ever since outsourcing came about, our standard of living has increased, and so has theirs. The third world wealth is accelerating faster than it ever has.
Liberals while they seem caring and forgiving internationally, they are really quite greedy and protective of their power in the world.
This is a major flaw in their platform.
The rest seems to be ok, every moral stance and tax/spending stance has a valid point and equilibrium depending on how much you believe in individual rights.

I don't think "greedy and protective of their power" is the reason quite a few liberals are protectionist. I think its a misunderstanding of economics and an unwillingness to look at the long term picture.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: conjur
Democrats are pro-death? Interesting. I thought they were pro-choice. Silly me.

Oh shut up. I'm pro choice I'm obviously not knocking the stance.

The point is, in all four situations, it comes down to being for or against death.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am pro-life except in extreme cases of rape and incest.
Against the death penalty (But for prison reform: send them to Alaska to build igloos or something. No TV, weight lifting, no Hilton, etc.)
Pro-Schiavo's Life

And I strongly believe that war killing != murder.

Edit: I am also rapidly becoming Pro Natural Life. Very Green-like. Limits on deforestation and landfill digging (pro-recycling), anti-nuclear power, animal protection, merci and care for the environment, forcing companies to abandon the use of crude oil/gas, limits on commercial advertising. Otherwise, I am a strong fiscal conservative.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Stunt
The one thing i don't get when it comes to the liberal platform is...
Liberals tend to be protectionist, but at the same time advocate foreign aid.
It has been proven many times over that economic stimulus is far more productive than food aid as it increases the standard of living for all generations, not just a temporal feeding. Ever since outsourcing came about, our standard of living has increased, and so has theirs. The third world wealth is accelerating faster than it ever has.
Liberals while they seem caring and forgiving internationally, they are really quite greedy and protective of their power in the world.
This is a major flaw in their platform.
The rest seems to be ok, every moral stance and tax/spending stance has a valid point and equilibrium depending on how much you believe in individual rights.

Liberals are protectionist ?

You mean because they are opposed to slave labor and raping the enviroment as appropriate ways to compete with American labor ?

What do you mean about economic stimulus versus food aid ? What economic stimulus are liberals opposed too ?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tss4

I don't think "greedy and protective of their power" is the reason quite a few liberals are protectionist. I think its a misunderstanding of economics and an unwillingness to look at the long term picture.

As opposed to the Republican "Line my own pockets big time now, screw the rest and who cares about consequences for the future".

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I am pro-life except in extreme cases of rape and incest.

Why?

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: ELP

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I am pro-life except in extreme cases of rape and incest.

Why?

In the off chance that a 10yo gets pregnant, she should not risk her life to give birth. But she should also be forced to get an abortion during the first trimester.

 

[Trevelyan]

Originally posted by: Genx87
I am republican and pro life and against the death penalty. But I am not against the death penalty for a moral reason but because our system is not perfect enough to warrant the state the right to execute a criminal.

As for the reasoning behind the a-typical pro-life\pro-death penalty typical of republicans.

Abortion is the ending of a human life when it committed no crime. Ending the life of a terry schiavo is the ending of a human life with no crime. Ending of a guy who raped and murdered a 12 year old is the ending of a human life who did something.

Whether you agree with ending human life is a different story.

I cant speak for democrats who are even more backwards when they are fine with killing the innocent but keeping the convicted alive and well.

^^ Well said.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4

I don't think "greedy and protective of their power" is the reason quite a few liberals are protectionist. I think its a misunderstanding of economics and an unwillingness to look at the long term picture.

As opposed to the Republican "Line my own pockets big time now, screw the rest and who cares about consequences for the future".

Historically, the standard of living for countries utilizing free markets has been higher than those under protectionist policies (tariffs, etc.)

 

[mordantmonkey]

Originally posted by: Tom
"Abortion is the ending of a human life when it committed no crime."

What about the sperm fertilizing the egg without permission law ?

ahahaha. but seriously my debates with people on abortion always come down to religion. they see conception and miscarriage as an act of god. i see it as an act of the body. if the body can end a pregnancy because it's not ready, why should the mind not have that right as well?

i have yet to hear a good argument to my viewpoint. but it would be nice to see here. unless your argument is "god wants fetuses in heaven too".

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4

I don't think "greedy and protective of their power" is the reason quite a few liberals are protectionist. I think its a misunderstanding of economics and an unwillingness to look at the long term picture.

As opposed to the Republican "Line my own pockets big time now, screw the rest and who cares about consequences for the future".

Historically, the standard of living for countries utilizing free markets has been higher than those under protectionist policies (tariffs, etc.)

The key word is "Historically". No longer applies to the U.S. The U.S. has never turned it's commerce upside down like the Republicans have now.

It's more like a Foreign Market than a Free Market. No one knows for sure the final result yet but it sure not looking good, unless of course you are one of the Republicans getting your pockets filled big time now.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4

I don't think "greedy and protective of their power" is the reason quite a few liberals are protectionist. I think its a misunderstanding of economics and an unwillingness to look at the long term picture.

As opposed to the Republican "Line my own pockets big time now, screw the rest and who cares about consequences for the future".

Historically, the standard of living for countries utilizing free markets has been higher than those under protectionist policies (tariffs, etc.)

The key word is "Historically". No longer applies to the U.S. The U.S. has never turned it's commerce upside down like the Republicans have now.

It's more like a Foreign Market than a Free Market. No one knows for sure the final result yet but it sure not looking good, unless of course you are one of the Republicans getting your pockets filled big time now.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. We will see how things turn out, for better or for worse.

 

[ValuedCustomer]

What's "Hypocrasy"? :disgust:


Good god, folks.. please learn to spell or at least run your posts through an editor before attempting to ask "the big questions".

 

[impeachbush]

From what I understand, and coming from a Christian background, we are here on earth to be tried and tested. There are many grey areas in this life, and abortion is a big one. I personally think abortion is sinfull under most circumstances, but there are exceptions to the rule. If I were to decide to take away someone elses right to make their own choice, I would in effect be making that choice for them. To go about legislating every instance of immorality would be akin to giving a big F.U. to the very purpose of life (the very reason God put us here in the first place). If your goal is to change the world and convert people to christianity, do so by your example, not by force. If we force everyone to obey what we think are the laws of God, what do we need God for? He won't need to judge anyone, soooo.... There's my religious tangent for the day...

Also, this is a line on which to draw party beliefs. There are pro choice and pro life people on both sides of the isle and everything in between.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: conjur
Democrats are pro-death? Interesting. I thought they were pro-choice. Silly me.

Oh shut up. I'm pro choice I'm obviously not knocking the stance.

The point is, in all four situations, it comes down to being for or against death.

Then use the right word. Pro-death is just ridiculous rhetoric.

And, btw, you ended your sentence too soon:

death of a person versus death of a non-person. While I think abortion, as a means of convenience, is a horrendous act, aborting a fetus is a far cry from killing a living, sentient person in cold blood, via war, or via the death penalty.

 

[GTaudiophile]

In my opinion, there should be no choice in regards to abortion. A fetus is NOT part of a woman's body. It's not like it's a finger she can cut off. The LIFE developing inside her has its own DNA, and is for all intents and purposes, a different person. A fetus can be operated on, can dream, can kick, and can even experience orgasms. And because it is a different life, it should be guaranteed its own rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness under the Constitution. I don't understand how the pro-death liberals can sob when a baby is left in a garbage bin one day but fight for abortion rights the day before when it was in the womb. There is no magical day during a fetus' development when it all the sudden becomes human life. There is only life in the cycle of reproduction.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Stunt
The one thing i don't get when it comes to the liberal platform is...
Liberals tend to be protectionist, but at the same time advocate foreign aid.
It has been proven many times over that economic stimulus is far more productive than food aid as it increases the standard of living for all generations, not just a temporal feeding. Ever since outsourcing came about, our standard of living has increased, and so has theirs. The third world wealth is accelerating faster than it ever has.
Liberals while they seem caring and forgiving internationally, they are really quite greedy and protective of their power in the world.
This is a major flaw in their platform.
The rest seems to be ok, every moral stance and tax/spending stance has a valid point and equilibrium depending on how much you believe in individual rights.

Liberals are protectionist ?

You mean because they are opposed to slave labor and raping the enviroment as appropriate ways to compete with American labor ?

What do you mean about economic stimulus versus food aid ? What economic stimulus are liberals opposed too ?

I have talked to people from these new outsourcing regions, they do not think of it as slave labor, their current lives are practically slave labor. Walking a mile for fresh water, spending countless hours in a rice field is just as bad if not worse than what they are being offered by american corperations. They love seeing business come to their country and apply in masses to get these well paying jobs.
As their standard of living increases and their population gets wealthier and skilled, they will be able to demand higher pay, attract better jobs, and create their own market to consume goods and services and not rely exclusively on exports.
The environmental issue is more valid...
but i have to ask, how the first world is actually being progressive in this area to begin with. Most of the US energy is created from coal, one of the dirtiest energy sources. But it is my hope that the citizen of the outsourced country demand better environmental infrastructure just as we should demand it here. Also, with american industry going overseas i hope these companies are exporting american values and practices to make everyone better off.
Liberals would rather give primitive aid than economic stimulus as they feel the industrial base will cost jobs in their own country. Also, liberals are opposed to free trade, and want more protectionist measures to keep industry domestic.