Hydrogenated=BAD

[glen]

ALL fat is basically "bad" for you, and stops up your arteries.
Your body can clean out the normal fat.
Your body cannot clean out the trans fat.
Trans fatty acids are poison.

 

[minendo]

All packaged food has had every bit of nutrition removed in the name of shelf-life.

This is not true.

They try and put it back(fortify it),

Not every food product is fortified.

 

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: SampSon
Americans don't go to the market daily to buy fresh produce. They eat frozen crap, and prepackaged garbage.

i eat 1 frozen microwave food a day...like lean cuisine. basically i eat it for lunch.
how bad is that?

All packaged food has had every bit of nutrition removed in the name of shelf-life.

They try and put it back(fortify it), but obviously they can only replace the higher level vitamins with their synthetic counterparts. Nobody ever mentions the amino acids, enzymes and myriads of other compounds, especially in plant matter, that couldn't be replaced even if we wanted to.

Just about the only thing you can eat that is truely good for you(nutritionally dense) is fresh, raw or steamed plant matter.

I'm sorry, but that's complete bs.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: glen
ALL fat is basically "bad" for you, and stops up your arteries.
Your body can clean out the normal fat.
Your body cannot clean out the trans fat.
Trans fatty acids are poison.

All fat is certainly not bad for you.

You can eat as much mono and polyunsaturated fat as you want, it is good for you.

Same goes for cholesterol. There is good and bad.

Your body can certainly process trans fats. If your body cannot process something, you would end up dead in short order. It's probably a bit harder or something though, I don't really know the specifics.

It's not like you eat fat and it turns into fat. It's still based on calories. If you ate 2,000 calories of trans-fat, and used 2,000 calories that day, you wouldn't gain any weight.

They can't be that bad, they aren't toxic, but they certainly aren't the best thing you can be eating.

 

[slycat]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: SampSon
Americans don't go to the market daily to buy fresh produce. They eat frozen crap, and prepackaged garbage.

i eat 1 frozen microwave food a day...like lean cuisine. basically i eat it for lunch.
how bad is that?

All packaged food has had every bit of nutrition removed in the name of shelf-life.

They try and put it back(fortify it), but obviously they can only replace the higher level vitamins with their synthetic counterparts. Nobody ever mentions the amino acids, enzymes and myriads of other compounds, especially in plant matter, that couldn't be replaced even if we wanted to.

Just about the only thing you can eat that is truely good for you(nutritionally dense) is fresh, raw or steamed plant matter.

..how about 1 leancuisine+1 multivitamin :thumbsup:

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: minendo

All packaged food has had every bit of nutrition removed in the name of shelf-life.

This is not true.

They try and put it back(fortify it),

Not every food product is fortified.

Ok, so I was being a little overdramatic.

It's only had most of the nutrition removed from it in the name of shelf-life.

Most all processed foods are fortified. The act of processing removes most nutrition. They have to add something back, or it would be nothing but empty calories, much like a tablespoon of processed table sugar.

 

[minendo]

The act of processing removes most nutrition.

Using that logic would mean that anytime you cook food you lose almost all nutrition.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: minendo

The act of processing removes most nutrition.

Using that logic would mean that anytime you cook food you lose almost all nutrition.

You do.

Particularly with plant matter, you have to prepare it in very specific ways if you want to preserve some of the more sensitive vitamins, enzymes and other compounds.

Why do you think they recommend that you only gently steam vegetables to retain most nutrition?

I stand by my statement. Of course you can get food that hasn't had everything processed out of it. I was just being general.

Enzymes are the #1 enemy of food longevity. They are the first things that go when you heat food.

I'm not really talking about meats and starches.

 

[NuclearFusi0n]

Originally posted by: glen
ALL fat is basically "bad" for you, and stops up your arteries.
Your body can clean out the normal fat.
Your body cannot clean out the trans fat.
Trans fatty acids are poison.

eh? Fat is a very essential nutrient. You are *screwed* without any fat in your diet.
Saying all fat is "bad" for you is just wrong.

 

[glen]

Fat that is solid at your body temperature is "bad" for you.

Food companies, take fats that are liquid at room temperature, and add trans bonds until they start to melt/freeeze at body temperature.

That makes food taste better - ie., melts in your mouth, not in your hand.

Trans fatty acids, have straighter, stiffer chains, are difficult for your body to remove, and facilitate bad cholesterol embedding between the chains.

 

[BigToque]

Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

You should probably be more clear.

He didn't "invent", Canola oil, per se.. the act of extracting oil from seeds is very, very old. And you don't really "invent" plants, at least in the traditional sense of the word.

However, he and Dr. R. Keith Downey did develop the world's first zero-euric, low-glucosinolate Brassica Napus varieties.

Cool stuff! :thumbsup::beer:

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: minendo

The act of processing removes most nutrition.

Using that logic would mean that anytime you cook food you lose almost all nutrition.

well, as far as vegetables go, you do lose nutrients. "enriched" foods, they've removed to much from it, they gotta add it back, hehe

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

You should probably be more clear.

He didn't "invent", Canola oil, per se.. the act of extracting oil from seeds is very, very old. And you don't really "invent" plants, at least in the traditional sense of the word.

However, he and Dr. R. Keith Downey did develop the world's first zero-euric, low-glucosinolate Brassica Napus varieties.

Cool stuff! :thumbsup::beer:

Well, I'll be a little more clear.

Baldur Stefansson developed the canola plant. I don't know the specifics of his work (I was a kid, I just liked to play). AFAIK, it was done by breeding out the euric-acid and something else which made it the first "double zero" rapeseed. This was then named Canola.

Now for something that you probably don't know. Dr. Downey does not deserve any credit for his work with canola (I'm not sure what else he has credit for). My grandfather gave Downey copies of all his work (right before it became "canola") because he said he would help my grandfather out. At the time, Downey had nothing. It was a stupid decision on my grandfathers part because now people group him and Downey together.

Anyway, Baldur Stefansson is the true "Father of Canola"

 

[Wallydraigle]

Canola oil is just a name they came up with so they wouldn't have to try to sell rape oil.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

You should probably be more clear.

He didn't "invent", Canola oil, per se.. the act of extracting oil from seeds is very, very old. And you don't really "invent" plants, at least in the traditional sense of the word.

However, he and Dr. R. Keith Downey did develop the world's first zero-euric, low-glucosinolate Brassica Napus varieties.

Cool stuff! :thumbsup::beer:

Well, I'll be a little more clear.

Baldur Stefansson developed the canola plant. I don't know the specifics of his work (I was a kid, I just liked to play). AFAIK, it was done by breeding out the euric-acid and something else which made it the first "double zero" rapeseed. This was then named Canola.

Now for something that you probably don't know. Dr. Downey does not deserve any credit for his work with canola (I'm not sure what else he has credit for). My grandfather gave Downey copies of all his work (right before it became "canola") because he said he would help my grandfather out. At the time, Downey had nothing. It was a stupid decision on my grandfathers part because now people group him and Downey together.

Anyway, Baldur Stefansson is the true "Father of Canola"

Cool!

Are you following in his footsteps?

I've always wanted to be a horticulturist/botanist/breeder/etc...

 

[BigToque]

Here's something I found just googling my grandfathers name.

This is from the 2003 Agricultural Hall of Fame induction.

My grandfather
Me
My dad
Me, my dad and my cousin
Me again (with others)

This is what the plaque says:

Baldur Rosmund Stefansson, BSA, MSc, PhD
1917 ? 2002

During a long and productive career at the University of Manitoba, Dr. Baldur Stefansson made a major contribution to Canada, Canadians, and people around the world through his outstanding work in developing canola.

Baldur, often referred to as the "father of canola", was born at Vestfold, Manitoba, to Gudmundur and Jonina Stefansson, a pioneer Icelandic family. He was a modest individual with a keen sense of purpose. His dedication to the development of a new edible oilseed demonstrated his great ability to focus on solutions; his prodigious reading and astounding memory were a great asset leading to the success of his research.

Early in his search for an oilseed crop for Manitoba, Baldur identified the potential of rapeseed. However, rapeseed oil, with its high level of erucic acid, was a threat to human health, and rapeseed meal, because of its high level of glucosinolates, was unsuitable as feed for livestock. During years of research, Baldur collaborated with other scientists, chemists, nutritionists and plant breeders to reduce erucic acid and glucosinolates in rapeseed.

In 1974, Baldur registered Tower, the first "double-zero" canola variety, with oil low in erucic acid and meal low in glucosinolates. With the release of this and other new varieties, interest in canola soared. Before 1974, about 4,000 acres were traditionally seeded annually to rapeseed in Western Canada. By 1999, about 14 million acres were seeded to canola, supporting an industry worth about 2.5 billion dollars a year.

Baldur received numerous awards and honours, including: Royal Bank Award in recognition of a contribution to humanity, 1975; Fellow, Agricultural Institute of Canada, 1975; Honourary Life Member, Canadian Seed Growers Association, 1976; Queen's Jubilee Medal, 1977; Grindley Award ? In recognition of a singular contribution to Canadian agriculture, 1978; H.R. MacMillan Laureate in Agriculture, 1980; Agronomy Merit Award, 1980; CSP Foods Canola Award, 1981; Manitoba Institute of Agrologists Distinguished Agrologist Award, 1981; Canadian Barley & Oilseeds Conference Award, 1982; Honourary Life Member, Manitoba Institute of Agrologists, 1984; Officer of the Order of Canada, 1985; Professor Emeritus, University of Manitoba, 1985; GCIRC International Award for Research in Rapeseed, 1987; McAnsh Award, 1989; Canada Iceland Foundation Scholarship honouring Dr. Baldur Stefansson, 1991; Honourary Doctorate, University of Manitoba, 1997; Wolfe Prize in Agriculture (Israel), 1998; Order of the Buffalo Hunt, 1998; Order of Manitoba, 2000; Order of the Falcon (Iceland), 2000; Honourary Doctorate, University of Iceland, 2000; Inducted to the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame, 2002.

Baldur?s wife Sigridur, children Bjorgvin, Helga and Paul and their families survive him.

Nominated by the Manitoba Canola Growers Association
2003

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: lirion
Canola oil is just a name they came up with so they wouldn't have to try to sell rape oil.

LMAO.. Basically...

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

You should probably be more clear.

He didn't "invent", Canola oil, per se.. the act of extracting oil from seeds is very, very old. And you don't really "invent" plants, at least in the traditional sense of the word.

However, he and Dr. R. Keith Downey did develop the world's first zero-euric, low-glucosinolate Brassica Napus varieties.

Cool stuff! :thumbsup::beer:

Well, I'll be a little more clear.

Baldur Stefansson developed the canola plant. I don't know the specifics of his work (I was a kid, I just liked to play). AFAIK, it was done by breeding out the euric-acid and something else which made it the first "double zero" rapeseed. This was then named Canola.

Now for something that you probably don't know. Dr. Downey does not deserve any credit for his work with canola (I'm not sure what else he has credit for). My grandfather gave Downey copies of all his work (right before it became "canola") because he said he would help my grandfather out. At the time, Downey had nothing. It was a stupid decision on my grandfathers part because now people group him and Downey together.

Anyway, Baldur Stefansson is the true "Father of Canola"

Cool!

Are you following in his footsteps?

I've always wanted to be a horticulturist/botanist/breeder/etc...

I'm not following in his footsteps. I never really liked the plant section in biology. He didn't mind though

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Stefan
Here's something I found just googling my grandfathers name.

This is from the 2003 Agricultural Hall of Fame induction.

My grandfather
Me
My dad
Me, my dad and my cousin
Me again (with others)

This is what the plaque says:

Baldur Rosmund Stefansson, BSA, MSc, PhD
1917 ? 2002

During a long and productive career at the University of Manitoba, Dr. Baldur Stefansson made a major contribution to Canada, Canadians, and people around the world through his outstanding work in developing canola.

Baldur, often referred to as the "father of canola", was born at Vestfold, Manitoba, to Gudmundur and Jonina Stefansson, a pioneer Icelandic family. He was a modest individual with a keen sense of purpose. His dedication to the development of a new edible oilseed demonstrated his great ability to focus on solutions; his prodigious reading and astounding memory were a great asset leading to the success of his research.

Early in his search for an oilseed crop for Manitoba, Baldur identified the potential of rapeseed. However, rapeseed oil, with its high level of erucic acid, was a threat to human health, and rapeseed meal, because of its high level of glucosinolates, was unsuitable as feed for livestock. During years of research, Baldur collaborated with other scientists, chemists, nutritionists and plant breeders to reduce erucic acid and glucosinolates in rapeseed.

In 1974, Baldur registered Tower, the first "double-zero" canola variety, with oil low in erucic acid and meal low in glucosinolates. With the release of this and other new varieties, interest in canola soared. Before 1974, about 4,000 acres were traditionally seeded annually to rapeseed in Western Canada. By 1999, about 14 million acres were seeded to canola, supporting an industry worth about 2.5 billion dollars a year.

Baldur received numerous awards and honours, including: Royal Bank Award in recognition of a contribution to humanity, 1975; Fellow, Agricultural Institute of Canada, 1975; Honourary Life Member, Canadian Seed Growers Association, 1976; Queen's Jubilee Medal, 1977; Grindley Award ? In recognition of a singular contribution to Canadian agriculture, 1978; H.R. MacMillan Laureate in Agriculture, 1980; Agronomy Merit Award, 1980; CSP Foods Canola Award, 1981; Manitoba Institute of Agrologists Distinguished Agrologist Award, 1981; Canadian Barley & Oilseeds Conference Award, 1982; Honourary Life Member, Manitoba Institute of Agrologists, 1984; Officer of the Order of Canada, 1985; Professor Emeritus, University of Manitoba, 1985; GCIRC International Award for Research in Rapeseed, 1987; McAnsh Award, 1989; Canada Iceland Foundation Scholarship honouring Dr. Baldur Stefansson, 1991; Honourary Doctorate, University of Manitoba, 1997; Wolfe Prize in Agriculture (Israel), 1998; Order of the Buffalo Hunt, 1998; Order of Manitoba, 2000; Order of the Falcon (Iceland), 2000; Honourary Doctorate, University of Iceland, 2000; Inducted to the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame, 2002.

Baldur?s wife Sigridur, children Bjorgvin, Helga and Paul and their families survive him.

Nominated by the Manitoba Canola Growers Association
2003

so does that like make you the heir to the canola fortune? You've got lube jobs for a lifetime!

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: rickn

Originally posted by: Stefan
Here's something I found just googling my grandfathers name.

This is from the 2003 Agricultural Hall of Fame induction.

My grandfather
Me
My dad
Me, my dad and my cousin
Me again (with others)

This is what the plaque says:

Baldur Rosmund Stefansson, BSA, MSc, PhD
1917 ? 2002

During a long and productive career at the University of Manitoba, Dr. Baldur Stefansson made a major contribution to Canada, Canadians, and people around the world through his outstanding work in developing canola.

Baldur, often referred to as the "father of canola", was born at Vestfold, Manitoba, to Gudmundur and Jonina Stefansson, a pioneer Icelandic family. He was a modest individual with a keen sense of purpose. His dedication to the development of a new edible oilseed demonstrated his great ability to focus on solutions; his prodigious reading and astounding memory were a great asset leading to the success of his research.

Early in his search for an oilseed crop for Manitoba, Baldur identified the potential of rapeseed. However, rapeseed oil, with its high level of erucic acid, was a threat to human health, and rapeseed meal, because of its high level of glucosinolates, was unsuitable as feed for livestock. During years of research, Baldur collaborated with other scientists, chemists, nutritionists and plant breeders to reduce erucic acid and glucosinolates in rapeseed.

In 1974, Baldur registered Tower, the first "double-zero" canola variety, with oil low in erucic acid and meal low in glucosinolates. With the release of this and other new varieties, interest in canola soared. Before 1974, about 4,000 acres were traditionally seeded annually to rapeseed in Western Canada. By 1999, about 14 million acres were seeded to canola, supporting an industry worth about 2.5 billion dollars a year.

Baldur received numerous awards and honours, including: Royal Bank Award in recognition of a contribution to humanity, 1975; Fellow, Agricultural Institute of Canada, 1975; Honourary Life Member, Canadian Seed Growers Association, 1976; Queen's Jubilee Medal, 1977; Grindley Award ? In recognition of a singular contribution to Canadian agriculture, 1978; H.R. MacMillan Laureate in Agriculture, 1980; Agronomy Merit Award, 1980; CSP Foods Canola Award, 1981; Manitoba Institute of Agrologists Distinguished Agrologist Award, 1981; Canadian Barley & Oilseeds Conference Award, 1982; Honourary Life Member, Manitoba Institute of Agrologists, 1984; Officer of the Order of Canada, 1985; Professor Emeritus, University of Manitoba, 1985; GCIRC International Award for Research in Rapeseed, 1987; McAnsh Award, 1989; Canada Iceland Foundation Scholarship honouring Dr. Baldur Stefansson, 1991; Honourary Doctorate, University of Manitoba, 1997; Wolfe Prize in Agriculture (Israel), 1998; Order of the Buffalo Hunt, 1998; Order of Manitoba, 2000; Order of the Falcon (Iceland), 2000; Honourary Doctorate, University of Iceland, 2000; Inducted to the Canadian Agricultural Hall of Fame, 2002.

Baldur?s wife Sigridur, children Bjorgvin, Helga and Paul and their families survive him.

Nominated by the Manitoba Canola Growers Association
2003

so does that like make you the heir to the canola fortune? You've got lube jobs for a lifetime!

There is no canola fortune. My grandfather never made a single cent from canola.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Stefan
There is no canola fortune. My grandfather never made a single cent from canola.

:|

 

[Kenazo]

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
Canola oil is the best you can get.

As a side: My grandfather invented canola (Baldur Stefansson)

Olive oil is a great 2nd though

You should probably be more clear.

He didn't "invent", Canola oil, per se.. the act of extracting oil from seeds is very, very old. And you don't really "invent" plants, at least in the traditional sense of the word.

However, he and Dr. R. Keith Downey did develop the world's first zero-euric, low-glucosinolate Brassica Napus varieties.

Cool stuff! :thumbsup::beer:

Well, I'll be a little more clear.

Baldur Stefansson developed the canola plant. I don't know the specifics of his work (I was a kid, I just liked to play). AFAIK, it was done by breeding out the euric-acid and something else which made it the first "double zero" rapeseed. This was then named Canola.

Now for something that you probably don't know. Dr. Downey does not deserve any credit for his work with canola (I'm not sure what else he has credit for). My grandfather gave Downey copies of all his work (right before it became "canola") because he said he would help my grandfather out. At the time, Downey had nothing. It was a stupid decision on my grandfathers part because now people group him and Downey together.

Anyway, Baldur Stefansson is the true "Father of Canola"

Cool!

Are you following in his footsteps?

I've always wanted to be a horticulturist/botanist/breeder/etc...

I'm not following in his footsteps. I never really liked the plant section in biology. He didn't mind though

Cool, I grew up in Gimli, taking all sorts of Icelandic history and never knew a Stefanson developed Canola. I feel ripped off now!

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
There is no canola fortune. My grandfather never made a single cent from canola.

:|

Did he make any $$$ from Black Isle studios stealing his name?

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Stefan
There is no canola fortune. My grandfather never made a single cent from canola.

:|

Did he make any $$$ from Black Isle studios stealing his name?

Are they the ones who made Baldur's Gate?

Lol. I should sue!! :evil: