Hybrids could pay more gas tax; U.S. to study tariffs on miles driven, not gallons purchased

[NFS4]

WTF??

 

[Jumpem]

I've heard this before. It ws discussed at an economics conference I attended.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

High on the list the panel will consider is the per-mile fee that is already the subject of a $1.25 million pilot project in Oregon that will use a special "smart'' odometer coupled with a global positioning system in every vehicle, a system invented at Oregon State University.

Oh HELL no.

 

[FlyLice]

this will never happen, even in this God forsaken state of california

 

[StageLeft]

We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

In fact it makes sense, as a hybrid "uses" as much road as a vehicle the same weight/size that gets much less mileage, and yet the hybrid is paying less in taxes towards supporting that road.

 

[boyRacer]

Originally posted by: FlyLice
this will never happen, even in this God forsaken state of california

In California, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's administration says the idea of a gas-tax change isn't on his agenda.

 

[Ranger X]

If this goes through, what will be the point of owning a hybrid? The feeling that you're not contributing as fast as the others to the depletion of our world's resources?

 

[PingSpike]

This horrible idea will hopefully never come to pass.

If they need more money for the roads, they should grow a pair of balls and raise gas taxes, not hobble progress on the energy efficency front.

 

[desteffy]

that is the most idiotic thing i have heard all week.

 

[StageLeft]

Are people just knee jerking that it's bad or actually thinking about it? Gas taxes are used to subsidize road work and the department of transportation.

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

That thread was in P&N

 

[radioouman]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

High on the list the panel will consider is the per-mile fee that is already the subject of a $1.25 million pilot project in Oregon that will use a special "smart'' odometer coupled with a global positioning system in every vehicle, a system invented at Oregon State University.

Oh HELL no.

That is recockulous.

If GM can't sell cars now, how do you think they will sell when they include Oregon State's version of OnStar?

(other manufacturers too, not just GM)

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

That thread was in P&N

owned

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

In fact it makes sense, as a hybrid "uses" as much road as a vehicle the same weight/size that gets much less mileage, and yet the hybrid is paying less in taxes towards supporting that road.

But they don't use as much gas. We can always replace roads, but fossil fuels aren't a reneweable resource AFAIK.

 

[KK]

If something stupid like this does come up, I'm sure there it'll be more complicated than just miles driven. It'll be like income taxes, couple thousand pages of documents.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Are people just knee jerking that it's bad or actually thinking about it? Gas taxes are used to subsidize road work and the department of transportation.

Good point.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

In fact it makes sense, as a hybrid "uses" as much road as a vehicle the same weight/size that gets much less mileage, and yet the hybrid is paying less in taxes towards supporting that road.

But they don't use as much gas. We can always replace roads, but fossil fuels aren't a reneweable resource AFAIK.

But realize that gas taxes are not there to punish people for using gas. They are there to gain funds, which are then used for things like road maintenance. If everybody got a million miles to the gallon, where would this tax money come from?

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

High on the list the panel will consider is the per-mile fee that is already the subject of a $1.25 million pilot project in Oregon that will use a special "smart'' odometer coupled with a global positioning system in every vehicle, a system invented at Oregon State University.

Oh HELL no.

What the fsck?

I'm shocked and ashamed that something like this would come out of Oregon. :Q

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

That thread was in P&N

owned

Actually, it was in Nov 04...but it would have been tough to find based on the title - Frightening stuff

As an aside, take note of the use of the phrase "cow towing" 🙂

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Ranger X
If this goes through, what will be the point of owning a hybrid? The feeling that you're not contributing as fast as the others to the depletion of our world's resources?

There has to be SOME sort of adjustment made, the current gas tax is providing funds for things that are no longer directly tied to gas consumption.

They don't tax gas just for the hell of it, road maintenance costs money.

Mileage & vehicle weight would be the fair way to do it, but it's not going to be an easy change.

Viper GTS

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

That thread was in P&N

owned

Actually, it was in Nov 04...but it would have been tough to find based on the title - Frightening stuff

lol, Skoorb's sense of time is a bit distorted 😉

 

[iwantanewcomputer]

that sucks, they are lowering demand for hybrids, which is not a good idea considering the price of oil

 

[bsobel]

But they don't use as much gas. We can always replace roads, but fossil fuels aren't a reneweable resource AFAIK.

The hybrids are arguably worse for the enrivoment once you factor in the need to replace the batteries every 70k miles are so...

 

[b0mbrman]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

That thread was in P&N

owned

Actually, it was in Nov 04...but it would have been tough to find based on the title - Frightening stuff

lol, Skoorb's sense of time is a bit distorted 😉

Well technically it was weeks ago...just a lot of weeks 😉

 

[freakflag]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We had a long thread on this weeks ago, NFS4 😉 I can't find it. Take my word for it 😀

In fact it makes sense, as a hybrid "uses" as much road as a vehicle the same weight/size that gets much less mileage, and yet the hybrid is paying less in taxes towards supporting that road.

But they don't use as much gas. We can always replace roads, but fossil fuels aren't a reneweable resource AFAIK.

But realize that gas taxes are not there to punish people for using gas. They are there to gain funds, which are then used for things like road maintenance. If everybody got a million miles to the gallon, where would this tax money come from?

That's fine. Hybrids use less gas? Tax each gallon at a higher rate. I'm already resigned to paying $2.20 a gallon and when we purchase less foriegn oil, and Opec realizes they no longer have us in a stranglehold, the cost for refiners will come down and balance out in the end. I would prefer to pay $1 more per tank than to be Lo-jacked by the government. Big Brother is watching. <puts on tin hat>