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Hurt Locker copyright trolls at it again

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I think what they (and RIAA) are doing is borderline criminal. they have no proof but send a letter saying unless you settle for 3k (whatever the amount is) we are going to sue you.

now a lawsuit is going to cost you far far more then 3k even if they win so most people settle. no matter what. ugh
 
waggy said:
I think what they (and RIAA) are doing is borderline criminal. they have no proof but send a letter saying unless you settle for 3k (whatever the amount is) we are going to sue you.

now a lawsuit is going to cost you far far more then 3k even if they win so most people settle. no matter what. ugh
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Yeah it's really sad they have been getting away with this for so long. The government likes it since they most likely get a cut, or someone at the RIAA gives extremely awesome blow jobs. Probably both. There's probably some mutant in the US government with two dicks. One for the RIAA and one for the MPAA. At the same time. That's an orgasm that always never says no to them for anything.
 
BladeVenom said:
Look at any economic study not funded by the RIAA. Piracy is good for a market. Music pirates buy more music. Game pirates buy more games. Movie piracy helps promote lesser known movies.

"They'll get addicted, and then we'll collect." --Bill Gates
“It’s easier for our software to compete with Linux when there’s piracy than when there’s not.” -- Bill Gates
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I'm responding specifically to the example of the Hurt Locker. It received so much attention because it was an Academy Award winng film, that many wanted to see. whether or not they saw it legitimately or not, it wasn't piracy the created exposure for it.

Of course, many butthurt Michael Bay fans didn't like it because it made them think, so they called it a shitty movie. ...but that's another story. 😉
 
zinfamous said:
I'm responding specifically to the example of the Hurt Locker. It received so much attention because it was an Academy Award winng film, that many wanted to see. whether or not they saw it legitimately or not, it wasn't piracy the created exposure for it.

Of course, many butthurt Michael Bay fans didn't like it because it made them think, so they called it a shitty movie. ...but that's another story. 😉
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I never heard of it since I saw this post. Piracy is what initiated this post, if it was not for piracy the situation in the article would not have ocured and this post would not have existed. Piracy is how I find out about most movies.

Yikes, is the pirate bay down? I can't get to it. I was going to check if it also shows up in the top 100. That's another way I would have probably found out about it eventually. Most of the movies I've seen are because they showed up there.

Heck, I might even see a cam torrent for a certain movie, it will remind me that it's out, and I might even go to the Cinema to watch it. Piracy does help promote movies, they're just in denial.
 
What about providers like Sympatico ADSL, which gives customers dynamic IP addresses? They disconnect you almost every night between 3-5AM and you get reconnected a couple of minutes later, my guess is with a new IP address. Won't an IP address lead to dozens of people in this case, with one downloader tainting all the other customers?
 
Red Squirrel said:
I never heard of it since I saw this post. Piracy is what initiated this post, if it was not for piracy the situation in the article would not have ocured and this post would not have existed. Piracy is how I find out about most movies.
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1: we know that you grew up shletered most of your life; general knowledge about life escapes you. we already knew this. no shock there.

2: theft is so very Christian of you.

way to go, champ.
 
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zinfamous said:
1: we know that you grew up shletered most of your life; general knowledge about life escapes you. we already knew this. no shock there.

2: theft is so very Christian of you.

way to go, champ.
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😕😕😕 How is some random movie "general knowledge". It's not like it was The Hobbit or The Dark Knight or something. You know, movies that actually air commercials. Even then, not everybody is glued to the TV all day.

It's not stealing if nothing is being taken away. What's stealing is these copyright trolls getting away with taking away millions of dollars from families and, through corruption, making it legal to do so. They do not deserve my support. Yes, piracy may be wrong, it's like speeding, or littering at a landfill, but it's still wrong, I will admit that, but it is not in the same category as stealing.
 
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dennilfloss said:
What about providers like Sympatico ADSL, which gives customers dynamic IP addresses? They disconnect you almost every night between 3-5AM and you get reconnected a couple of minutes later, my guess is with a new IP address. Won't an IP address lead to dozens of people in this case, with one downloader tainting all the other customers?
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I'm with Sympatico and I've had the same IP since the last time I got a new modem, though I could very easily change it if I change my firewall's mac address. I'm guessing they'll go by time stamp + IP and be able to figure out who had a certain IP at a certain time though.

Let's just hope we can somehow squash this new bill eventually. This will be a waste of time on ISPs and the court system, so we can only hope this whole thing simply does not work out for them.
 
Red Squirrel said:
😕😕😕 How is some random movie "general knowledge". It's not like it was The Hobbit or The Dark Knight or something. You know, movies that actually air commercials. Even then, not everybody is glued to the TV all day.

It's not stealing if nothing is being taken away. What's stealing is these copyright trolls getting away with taking away millions of dollars from families and, through corruption, making it legal to do so. They do not deserve my support. Yes, piracy may be wrong, it's like speeding, or littering at a landfill, but it's still wrong, I will admit that, but it is not in the same category as stealing.
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Keep justifying it to yourself. 🙄

KT
 
zinfamous said:
people here think they are entitled to steal. for like: because, you know?
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shrug. i haven't pireted anything. Yet i feel what they are doing should be against the law.

IF they have real proof then fine sue the fuckers. But this oh this IP did something and you had that IP therefore you are guilty of copying the movie. now give us $5k or we will sue you (wich will cost more).
 
I the defense of the "pirates", we used to pass around mix tapes in the 80's all the time so they could have arrested an entire generation of kids with these laws.

In the defense of the company, if you had made a better product people would have bought it. Oh wait, that's not a defense...lol

It does seem kind of sad that in an age where information could freely flow between all people we have this kind of anti-social behavior from companies that make millions and billions on a yearly basis.

Personally, I think piracy helps the better products because it creates a huge word of mouth advertising buzz; of course if your product is below average like Hurt Locker it isn't going to do much for you.

I feel that most of the people who do download things could not afford to rent them, much less purchase them, so the company isn't really losing anything through blocking piracy other than a potentially massive group of salespeople for their product.

While I can understand where the company is coming from, I do think that most of them think this a much bigger problem than it really is. we used to pass around those tapes when I was kid and Michael Jackson is still one of the biggest selling artists of all time.

Crime not found.
 
Isn't the best defense against this kind of crap is simply stating "Prove that it was me and not someone who hacked into my wireless network and did while I was not aware."
 
Pirating isn't the concern here. If they think there is a crime happening, is acting like a criminal the correct response? That is what is happening and is where the complaints are coming from. We don't get to sue movie studios for taking our money when a product is utter trash do we? Maybe we should. If a trailer misrepresents a movie, isn't that false advertising and grounds for refund?

The problem is as soon as anyone says "oh pirates" you get this shut down mentality that apparently throws all legal rights out the window, it's pretty sad.

Unfair usage of IP is not anything new, and they've always railed against it, just as they've always claimed it's breaking them. If that is so true, then why do they continue to make movies that cost more than they ever have. Money in doesn't always = money out. They are just bad business people who haven't figured out that this isn't the 50's anymore.

The best examples of how outragous things have gotten is the pulling of certain things off of youtube because a song is in the background etc. That kind of blanket BS is what needs to be stopped and is right in line with the bullying of ISP's. Go through the proper legal channels like all of us do, or gtfo.
 
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HumblePie said:
Isn't the best defense against this kind of crap is simply stating "Prove that it was me and not someone who hacked into my wireless network and did while I was not aware."
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I may have to look at setting up an unsecured wireless vlan for this. Something with only internet access and that's it, with QOS. I don't think it would hold up in court though. When piracy is concerned all rights are removed and they don't need proof and you can't defend yourself as that right is removed. Just skip straight to sentencing. Bring lube and all credit cards, and house keys. That will at least cover a fraction of the millions.

That's another issue I have with this whole system, If you really want to look at piracy like stealing, well say I pirate a movie, that's equivalent to stealing maybe 15 bucks. (consider some of the cost of a movie goes towards the media/packaging). How the hell are they coming up with these values in the millions? No other situation would allow to sue for such a retarded amount. If someone backed into me and caused damage to my car I could not sue the person for millions of dollars. Why is it so different with piracy?

Piracy should be a small claims court thing, not international. It's retarded the level they put it at. The system is just so corrupted beyond all belief.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
Pirating isn't the concern here. If they think there is a crime happening, is acting like a criminal the correct response? That is what is happening and is where the complaints are coming from. We don't get to sue movie studios for taking our money when a product is utter trash do we? Maybe we should. If a trailer misrepresents a movie, isn't that false advertising and grounds for refund?

The problem is as soon as anyone says "oh pirates" you get this shut down mentality that apparently throws all legal rights out the window, it's pretty sad.

Unfair usage of IP is not anything new, and they've always railed against it, just as they've always claimed it's breaking them. If that is so true, then why do they continue to make movies that cost more than they ever have. Money in doesn't always = money out. They are just bad business people who haven't figured out that this isn't the 50's anymore.

The best examples of how outragous things have gotten is the pulling of certain things off of youtube because a song is in the background etc. That kind of blanket BS is what needs to be stopped and is right in line with the bullying of ISP's. Go through the proper legal channels like all of us do, or gtfo.
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:thumbsup:
 
HumblePie said:
Isn't the best defence against this kind of crap is simply stating "Prove that it was me and not someone who hacked into my wireless network and did while I was not aware."
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I think that is a great defence, a person who doesn't want to pay for media would be highly likely to avoid paying for internet.

Other equally valid defences:

If you have more than one person in a residence, prove who did it. You shouldn't be able to sue or convict an IP address for anything.

Inquire as to how they have validated that someone wasn't spoofing your IP address if the communication was unsecured.

Move to have their evidence of infringement thrown out due to unlawful access of your personal computer to obtain evidence. Essentially claim that they "hacked" your computer to obtain evidence and that you did not wilfully permit them to access your computer over the internet. There are laws regarding non-permitted access to secure systems, if you have a password your computer is a secured system. This could be a counter-suit of its own.

*** I have no legal experience, this is my opinion based on articles/discussions I've read
 
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