Hurricane Sandy = non event

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SarcasticDwarf

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I heard the death toll has reached 50+ on the news.

And twice that number have committed suicide today for unrelated reasons.

Statistically, 50 is an insignificant number. Any severe storm will have a number of deaths associated with it.
 

runzwithsizorz

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One thing I don't like about the media is how they pad the storm related death toll. Like the 2 boys here in Virginia weren't really killed by the storm.
They were drunk, or high, speeding with no seat belts at 1:30 in the morning.
 

dawp

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^ that - and if the title changed the thread wouldn't be quite the same.
 

Doppel

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OP appears quite stupid now but I imagine he'll keep doubling-down and not admit it.
 

nageov3t

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my town (and surrounding areas in North Jersey/Hudson County) have been without power since Monday... also heard that the entire first floor of my company's waterfront office tower is flooded out (and granted, we're up on the 20th, so all our stuff should be fine, but the building itself is inaccessible for at least the next week)

from the sound of it, the PATH trains will also be shutdown until Monday.

definitely a non-event imho
 

Juddog

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Treyvon Martin shooting - OMGWTFBBQ huge thread about it, 1 person dead.

Hurricane Sandy - a bunch of people died, billions of dollars in damages - nonevent. Gotta love the partisan hacks at ATP&N.
 

GaiaHunter

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Guess it depends the definition of event, scale and perspective.

Event defined as "a storm of unprecedented power" - no. Even considering it became an hybrid system by merging with the cold front, there are records of higher category hurricanes hitting the east coast.

From the point of view of causing life loss and damage, certainly.

It has also shown deficiencies on the ability for the regions affected to withstand storms.
 

BD2003

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Guess it depends the definition of event, scale and perspective.

Event defined as "a storm of unprecedented power" - no. Even considering it became an hybrid system by merging with the cold front, there are records of higher category hurricanes hitting the east coast.

From the point of view of causing life loss and damage, certainly.

It has also shown deficiencies on the ability for the regions affected to withstand storms.

Yeah, but your typical hurricane has actual hurricane force winds over a very small diameter, like 20-30 miles, and passes through quickly. Sandy technically hit 200 miles southwest of me, and there were still hurricane force winds that lasted for hours and hours. I've never heard of a hurricane before where they told everyone to forget where the eye is, cause the whole region is going to get blasted. Jersey got absolutely soaked, Long Island got winds like I've never seen before.
 

GaiaHunter

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Yeah, but your typical hurricane has actual hurricane force winds over a very small diameter, like 20-30 miles, and passes through quickly. Sandy technically hit 200 miles southwest of me, and there were still hurricane force winds that lasted for hours and hours. I've never heard of a hurricane before where they told everyone to forget where the eye is, cause the whole region is going to get blasted. Jersey got absolutely soaked, Long Island got winds like I've never seen before.

That it is because it merged with the cold front, making it reach a larger area - the winds aren't stronger, mind you, just reach more places and it will rain more and in more areas.

These events generally happen in the atlantic north and in northwest pacific - which they will be seen by "much less people" and will cause much less damage.

Our life span isn't a large enough period to establish any trends when we are in the presence of systems with multi decade periods.
 

HomerJS

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Because non-event needs to go down in posterity! BTW - Has the OP owned up to his giga-fail?
 

momeNt

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So many broken windows!

Krugman will have good things to say about this storm and its effect on the economy. Disaster recovery and construction will be in a huge boom to rebuild.

We need storms like this more often to spur the economy.
 

hal2kilo

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So many broken windows!

Krugman will have good things to say about this storm and its effect on the economy. Disaster recovery and construction will be in a huge boom to rebuild.

We need storms like this more often to spur the economy.

You can say it's not right, but that would be denying the reality of what typically happens after a huge storm like this.

Edit: We have enough denial of reality already on this site.
 

GaiaHunter

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You can say it's not right, but that would be denying the reality of what typically happens after a huge storm like this.

Edit: We have enough denial of reality already on this site.

If that was true you only have to tell everyone to go somewhere else and drop a bomb in a town. No more crisis.

Clearly, if the indicators used say there is an economic boom it is because the indicators might not be very useful.

if your PC die and you need to buy a new one neither you or the world are richer.

The problem is that the indicators take in account money spent. Generally if you can spend money it means you have it.

So far so good.

But when that money is burrowed or is created things aren't so linear.

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Juddog

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Up to 80 lives lost including 2 children that were torn out of their mothers arms on Staten Island from this "non event" as called by P&Ners.

They found the bodies today.

So between the over 50 people dead from Haiti and the 80+ dead in the US, that's 130 deaths and close to $50 billion in damages. For anybody to say this is a non-event just shows how completely ignorant and stupid they are.
 

feralkid

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And twice that number have committed suicide today for unrelated reasons.

Statistically, 50 is an insignificant number
. Any severe storm will have a number of deaths associated with it.



Tell that to the families of the victims.


Jackass!
 

abaez

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NON EVENT.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/11/hurricane-sandy-the-aftermath/100397/

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Jaskalas

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Someone linked this earlier, but it cannot be stressed enough. If you haven't seen all the photos:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Obama-flies-Atlantic-City-disaster-zone.html

Much more damage along the coastline than I imagined.

American news reports do not do it justice. I must flat out apologize to someone I was critical of who called this the 'worst US' natural disaster. I can now, at least, appreciate where such concern comes from even if I disagree. There's certainly room to argue for how bad Hurricane Sandy was, the scale of the damage is up there. I wonder which destroyed (made uninhabitable) more homes, Katrina or Sandy? Do you count New Orleans whose damage was caused by levies?

Wish I knew how they stacked.