Hunger is a great motivator

[Tombstone1881]

I like this "hobo" stove that was posted as a homeless cooking solution! 😵
I like how you can clearly see an electric heating element in the pic.
There wouldn't be an electric cord buried under the leaves, would there?
Sure, a hobo can find a can, but what about a stove element and an electric source?

 

[dank69]

I like this "hobo" stove that was posted as a homeless cooking solution! 😵
I like how you can clearly see an electric heating element in the pic.
There wouldn't be an electric cord buried under the leaves, would there?
Sure, a hobo can find a can, but what about a stove element and an electric source?

That isn't a heating element. It is the red hot inside surface of the can.

 

[Tombstone1881]

That isn't a heating element. It is the red hot inside surface of the can.

Still interesting in that the INSIDE of the can is glowing red hot, but somehow that can must be so well insulated that there is no appearance of a hot surface on the OUTSIDE of the can! 😕

Also, look through the bottom flap. From that angle it is not possible to see the back of the can, yet you see the glowing red hot rings.

 

[dank69]

Still interesting in that the INSIDE of the can is glowing red hot, but somehow that can must be so well insulated that there is no appearance of a hot surface on the OUTSIDE of the can! 😕

Also, look through the bottom flap. From that angle it is not possible to see the back of the can, yet you see the glowing red hot rings.

Might be an ember. Might be a bad shoop. I can't tell by the pixels because I haven't seen enough shops in my days.

 

[MongGrel]

Still interesting in that the INSIDE of the can is glowing red hot, but somehow that can must be so well insulated that there is no appearance of a hot surface on the OUTSIDE of the can! 😕

Also, look through the bottom flap. From that angle it is not possible to see the back of the can, yet you see the glowing red hot rings.

Just looks like reflection of the coals off the interior rings of a brand new can to me, not sure why you're making a big deal out of it.

 

[bshole]

So you have a large group who are able-bodied, not raising a child... and simply do not want to work and leech off taxpayers. This is where welfare reform comes in. You require these people to either work or attend vocational training to receive food stamp benefits. What happens? Well the number of leeches drop significantly. Hunger is a great motivator!

The governor of Maine has implemented these reforms and he number of people receiving benefits has dropped quite a bit.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapot...nes-welfare-reforms-are-working/#2c79c0cca4c7

This is great news... especially considered that one of the requirements of coming to the United States as an immigrant is your will not be a public burden. Some data suggests that 50% of immigrants are on some form of public assistance. It would be nice to see the Maine program rolled out nationwide.

Sounds awesome. Now when they get hungry, they will need to head on over to the nearest suburb, find a target, MURDER the target and take everything they need to feed themselves and their family. Jesus dude, you really haven't thought this one through.

 

[bshole]

Um Beavis, I can see the sterno can in there. You got a seeing problem?

 

[interchange]

Definitely cheaper as is. The economy doesn't need these people, and no one pays for the treatment, housing, training, etc. that they don't get. Maybe not cheaper in the long run, as some of these people would become productive. Also, there is something to be said for not trivializing the value and dignity of human life. Sometimes a Down's syndrome person can do more for your outlook than can a CEO.

Do you feel as though I am trivializing the value of these people? Or that a system I would propose would be one intended to minimize the economic impact of supporting someone rather than intending to boost their independent capability?

I can see how that can be interpreted from what I have said. It is not how I feel. In hearing this, though, I suspect there are 4 processes at play:
1. My frustration for wanting to help and inject self-efficacy in individuals without adequate resources to do so (adequate resources being as much financial/systemic as individual drive built-in from societal norms and institutional and family support for such a cause)
2. Projection of my feelings for individuals with mental health problems being cast away as different, dependent, not valuable, despite the ubiquity of the problem and realization that much of these feelings are borne out of defense from somehow identifying with being vulnerable and needing help when it is unacceptable to that person
3. My guilt for not being unwavering in this mission, sometimes just doing the best I could or simply the easy thing, being complicit or promoting a culture which pegs failures to help in this fashion on individuals or systemic problems without doing anything to intervene personally, or otherwise trying really hard and still not being good enough myself to have helped
4. Something to do with your feelings on the subject

 

[madoka]

I like this "hobo" stove that was posted as a homeless cooking solution! 😵
I like how you can clearly see an electric heating element in the pic.
There wouldn't be an electric cord buried under the leaves, would there?
Sure, a hobo can find a can, but what about a stove element and an electric source?

Take off the tinfoil. There is no cord in the pic.

Still interesting in that the INSIDE of the can is glowing red hot, but somehow that can must be so well insulated that there is no appearance of a hot surface on the OUTSIDE of the can! 😕

You are clearly not familiar with hobo stoves.

 

[madoka]

Um Beavis, I can see the sterno can in there. You got a seeing problem?

Sharp eye.

It's actually something more ingenious than a Sterno can.

https://www.thebushcraftcave.com/top-5-diy-hobo-stove-designs-how-to-create-your-own/

An incredibly simple design where your cooking pot/ pan rests directly on top of the can stove. What I love in this design is the clever fuel system called a ‘Buddy Burner’. The Buddy Burner is achieved by rolling up some corrugated card and filling an empty tuna can. Then pour melted wax over the cardboard, and refill once it is soaked into the cardboard. Holes are also made around the top of the can and a door removed from the base for ventilation.

 

[werepossum]

Do you feel as though I am trivializing the value of these people? Or that a system I would propose would be one intended to minimize the economic impact of supporting someone rather than intending to boost their independent capability?

I can see how that can be interpreted from what I have said. It is not how I feel. In hearing this, though, I suspect there are 4 processes at play:
1. My frustration for wanting to help and inject self-efficacy in individuals without adequate resources to do so (adequate resources being as much financial/systemic as individual drive built-in from societal norms and institutional and family support for such a cause)
2. Projection of my feelings for individuals with mental health problems being cast away as different, dependent, not valuable, despite the ubiquity of the problem and realization that much of these feelings are borne out of defense from somehow identifying with being vulnerable and needing help when it is unacceptable to that person
3. My guilt for not being unwavering in this mission, sometimes just doing the best I could or simply the easy thing, being complicit or promoting a culture which pegs failures to help in this fashion on individuals or systemic problems without doing anything to intervene personally, or otherwise trying really hard and still not being good enough myself to have helped
4. Something to do with your feelings on the subject

No sir, I did not in any way get the vibe that you were trivializing the value of these people, intentionally or otherwise. I think though that our system often does. It's understandable - resources are never equal to need, so we tend to pluck the low-hanging fruit and declare that the out of reach fruit is probably sour anyway, to strain a metaphor.