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Hummer versus Prius

Ahem - this is a puff piece by an undergraduate based on a study by "CNW Marketing." Who do you think hired CNW Marketing? GM, perhaps? While there may be some validity to the article, you have to consider the source before you assume it's valid.
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
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Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
 
Well gee, NIMH batteries are used in all kinds of things besides the Prius. Blaming all of the environmental problems at one mining location on the hybrids that use nickel in their batteries seems a little bit of an overreach. Not touting the Prius necessarily as I think hybrid vehichles still have a ways to go. I expect to see pure plug-ins as well as lithium-ion powered cars in just a few years. Additionally they could improve their mining methods so that they weren't so harmful to the environment.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
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Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
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Dave would you oppose giant SUVs if they got 100MPG?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
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Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
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gee, do you even read before you spout off your hate? are you just that hostile to everything?

what a loser
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
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Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
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Don't you drive a minivan?
 
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Also, 100,000 * 3.25 = 325,000.
300,000 * 1.95 = 585,000

How exactly do they reach the "less combined cost" conclusion?
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uh, look at the first number of each equation, that is the lifetime mileage expected from each vehicle. So, triple the first number.

thanks for playing
 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
Click to expand...

Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
Click to expand...

Dave would you oppose giant SUVs if they got 100MPG?
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Do you know of any?
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
Click to expand...

Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
Click to expand...

Dave would you oppose giant SUVs if they got 100MPG?
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Do you know of any?
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Not yet...but I bet it could be done.
 
Originally posted by: DonVito
Ahem - this is a puff piece by an undergraduate based on a study by "CNW Marketing." Who do you think hired CNW Marketing? GM, perhaps? While there may be some validity to the article, you have to consider the source before you assume it's valid.
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Well if you have bothered to look instead of spouting off your ignorance...

they do studies and hope people pay for it.


They have lots of useful information, their dust to dust cost estimates for 2006 vehicles is really cool
 
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
Click to expand...

Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
Click to expand...

Dave would you oppose giant SUVs if they got 100MPG?
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Do you know of any?
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Not yet...but I bet it could be done.
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Just like the 50 mpg carbs that were pulled from the early 80's Japan cars.
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: DonVito
Ahem - this is a puff piece by an undergraduate based on a study by "CNW Marketing." Who do you think hired CNW Marketing? GM, perhaps? While there may be some validity to the article, you have to consider the source before you assume it's valid.
Click to expand...

Well if you have bothered to look instead of spouting off your ignorance...

they do studies and hope people pay for it.


They have lots of useful information, their dust to dust cost estimates for 2006 vehicles is really cool
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So what are you saying, that we should not look for alternative means to ween ourselves off of fossil fuel?
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
Also, 100,000 * 3.25 = 325,000.
300,000 * 1.95 = 585,000

How exactly do they reach the "less combined cost" conclusion?
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uh, look at the first number of each equation, that is the lifetime mileage expected from each vehicle. So, triple the first number.

thanks for playing
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Have you looked at this study? These numbers are ridiculous.

Do the math in your head for crying out loud!

$50k purchase
4 years / 100k miles
40mpg
$10/gallon gas
$5k insurance (x4 = 20k)

Now, let's count by the mile:

50 cents
25 cents
20 cents

That's less than a dollar a mile for a $50k prius, that you scrap after 100k miles, and pay [$10/gallon to fuel. Granted I didn't include any repair bills, and maybe I should have based this on six years, not 4, but come one.

Other tidbits:

Apparently a bmw 330 is 32% cheaper, end to end, than a civic. (Not a civic hybrid, a civic).
 
Originally posted by: desy
http://www.reason.org/commentaries/dalmia_20060719.shtml

That 100,00 miles is Toyotas own estimate as to how long the battery pack is good for which is why they use it in the equation
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How many repairs would you expect to make to a hummer in 300k miles? Since the entire cost of a hybrid is estimated at +$6k over the cost of the basic car, replacement battery packs would have to cost no more than 'in the neighborhood of $6k', which is a lot, but probably worth doing once.

I'm not a fan of hybrids, particularly, I think they're more about the message than the technology, simply because batteries are so freakin destructive. But this article, and the study are both crap.
 
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Funny how we all use science and technology when it supports our view...and dismantle it when it doesnt 😉
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Don't you know? It's called research 😀

Seriously though, they need to come up with a better gas alternative, and quickly. To me, it seems like using a NIMH battery is kinda lazy thinking, especially if it only lasts 100,000 miles.
Too bad we can't use trash like Doc in Back To The Future 🙁 I am sure there is some other alternative out there though...
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
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Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
Click to expand...

Err...........the article ended up recommending a Scion xb. I don't think it EVER recommended any SUV.
 
The point of these articles is that there is a serious back-end environmetal cost to hybrids that all the greens happily choose to ignore, but have a smugness that they are doing so much for planet earth.
I'm all for better technology but its funny how people justify things such as my neighbours who bought a Passat diesel cause it was so much better on gas for the commute as their justification, but paid 2X what you would for a Civic and would have been money further ahead in interest, opportunity cost of money, etc by chosing differently.
 
Originally posted by: desy
The point of these articles is that there is a serious back-end environmetal cost to hybrids that all the greens happily choose to ignore, but have a smugness that they are doing so much for planet earth.
I'm all for better technology but its funny how people justify things such as my neighbours who bought a Passat diesel cause it was so much better on gas for the commute as their justification, but paid 2X what you would for a Civic and would have been money further ahead in interest, opportunity cost of money, etc by chosing differently.
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In all fairness, a Passat isn't really comparable to a Civic anyway, regardless of drivetrain, and would have been much more expensive regardless. I don't think they sell the Passat TDI in the United States anymore, but when they did I believe it was one of the cheapest Passats. You'd have to option the hell out of it to get it to cost twice as much as even the most stripped Civic.
 
passats suck. its funny though, i thought all your protectionists would be telling us to buy american fuel-efficient cars (ethanol flex-fuel garbage).


i gladly drive a nissan sentra, not b/c of CO2 emmissions, but better mileage is good for my budget...

-by the way, did you hear that termites in America produce more CO2 each year than all our industrial companies combined? So if we want to do something about Global Warming, we'll have to stop driving cars, kill all the termintes, and kill all the cows too (big methane contributers).
 
Originally posted by: Ktulu
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Shivetya
http://clubs.ccsu.edu/recorder/editorial/editorial_item.asp?NewsID=188

Batteries for the loss. It appears that simply because of the battery packs that the Prius will cause more damage than a Hummer to the environment. At least he doesn't say that buying a Hummer is a good idea, get a Scion Xb instead. There are many great alternatives to battery laden hybrids.
Click to expand...

Of course, any excuse to buy giant SUVs to suck down more gas from your heroes.
Click to expand...

Err...........the article ended up recommending a Scion xb. I don't think it EVER recommended any SUV.
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Oh please, the radical righties say on a daily basis anything over standard car height is an SUV, just today they claimed my stripped down 6 cyl, over 20mpg Caravan is an SUV.
 
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