Info Humans are Apes, that is a fact.

[feralkid]

What about the whole red butt thing?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

What about the whole red butt thing?

we call them gingers.

 

[WelshBloke]

You're not getting it. The whole thing is about human aspirations, rational or not. In that, we appear to be unique. The spirit world exists in our minds if nowhere else. Which isn't universal, either. Nor does that preclude various forms of quackery devised to exploit that very irrational side of human nature.

I mean theres no way to tell if squid contemplate the mysteries of their universe as well.

 

[Atreus21]

"Distinct" applies to many forms of Life on Earth. Our egos are prone to blind us to our own biases.

The clearest sight possible could not yield any other conclusion. Nothing on earth holds a candle to human beings. That this is disputed is itself ridiculous.

 

[IronWing]

The clearest sight possible could not yield any other conclusion. Nothing on earth holds a candle to human beings. That this is disputed is itself ridiculous.

To another human. Cats seem to think they're pretty special as well.

 

[Ajay]

I mean theres no way to tell if squid contemplate the mysteries of their universe as well.

Their communication skills suck 😛

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Their communication skills suck 😛

Have you read these forums?

 

[feralkid]

I mean theres no way to tell if squid contemplate the mysteries of their universe as well.

I eat their dried and ground up bodies to enhance my cognition.

Oh wait; that's jellyfish.

 

[pmv]

We are a tribal animal. Its important that the tribe survive. That's how we evolved.

I'm not sure that's how evolution works. At least it seems a highly-contested idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection

(Having read my own link, it seems the idea does have more life in it than I thought it did...they are still arguing about it, it seems)

 

[pmv]

The clearest sight possible could not yield any other conclusion. Nothing on earth holds a candle to human beings. That this is disputed is itself ridiculous.

Maybe it's too early to tell? Human beings have not been around very long. Our light might burn brightly but briefly. Other species may well be far more successful in terms of longevity.

Personally I'm unimpressed with homo sapiens. I find us quite disappointing.

 

[sdifox]

I eat their dried and ground up bodies to enhance my cognition.

Oh wait; that's jellyfish.

Whaaa? Dried and diced jellyfish? What cuisine is this?

 

[WelshBloke]

I eat their dried and ground up bodies to enhance my cognition.

Oh wait; that's jellyfish.

I slice them up, boil them in oil and eat them with a dry sherry!

We really are fucked when they realise what's going on!

 

[WelshBloke]

I'm not sure that's how evolution works. At least it seems a highly-contested idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_selection

(Having read my own link, it seems the idea does have more life in it than I thought it did...they are still arguing about it, it seems)

See it doesn't seem that different from certain herd behaviour to me. Like how Male buffalo will stand together to fight off an attacker that's after the weaker members of the herd.

 

[pmv]

See it doesn't seem that different from certain herd behaviour to me. Like how Male buffalo will stand together to fight off an attacker that's after the weaker members of the herd.

Yeah, fair point. I somehow picked up the idea that evolutionary biologists had long ago debunked the idea of group selection as a misconception...but when I look to find a clear statement of that, it appears on the contrary that it's still actively being debated.
Still not sure one can jump from that to human social behaviour though. Too many other influences involved I'd say.

 

[Atreus21]

To another human. Cats seem to think they're pretty special as well.

And are they correct to think so?

 

[Atreus21]

Maybe it's too early to tell? Human beings have not been around very long. Our light might burn brightly but briefly. Other species may well be far more successful in terms of longevity.

Personally I'm unimpressed with homo sapiens. I find us quite disappointing.

That's possible, but we can only use the information we have to make such judgments.

 

[IronWing]

And are they correct to think so?

Of course.

 

[Jhhnn]

To another human. Cats seem to think they're pretty special as well.

Even gorillas succumb to the feline overlords-

 

[nakedfrog]

Maybe it's too early to tell? Human beings have not been around very long. Our light might burn brightly but briefly. Other species may well be far more successful in terms of longevity.

Personally I'm unimpressed with homo sapiens. I find us quite disappointing.

Yeah, we only landed a couple rovers on a #^$%ing asteroid, no big whoop.

 

[hal2kilo]

Whaaa? Dried and diced jellyfish? What cuisine is this?

I think it's called Prevagen (supplement).

 

[sdifox]

I think it's called Prevagen (supplement).

I eat sesame jellyfish salad

 

[Moonbeam]

I think it's called Prevagen (supplement).

I think so too and I also think it's bull shit.

If you are worried about memory loss there is a simple cure. Hit your head on a wall every morning at 8 pm. It won't solve your memory problems but it is guaranteed to make you more than happy to forget.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Yeah, we only landed a couple rovers on a #^$%ing asteroid, no big whoop.

From a philisophical point of view, pmv has a point.
It's very very long, but, The Taxonomy of Illusion speech by Terrance McKenna more or less covers it.

https://www.asktmk.com/talks/Taxonomy+of+Illusion

"we have an imperiled planet on our hands. We have been, for a long. long time, the victims of illusion. Western civilization- Stephen Dedalaus is right, history is a nightmare from which one must awaken, quite literally. I mean we have been blind to what we have been doing. We are blind at this moment to what we are doing. If, in a single moment, the actual nature of our predicament were to fully make itself felt in the mind of any one of us, I think it would be paralyzing. It would be horrifying. We, we have waited 'til the last moment of the last hour. The house is burning down around us and we rouse ourselves from the stupor of materialism, the stupor of Christianity and scientism, the stupor of male-dominance, sexism and racism. If we don't rouse ourselves from this stupor, the momentum toward extinction is now practically irreversible. You know, the Greatful Dead like to sing that song, 'we need a miracle every day'. We certainly, uh, we certainly do because with- and so then that brings me back to my original point, that the mome- that outside the ven of culture lies an unmapped terra incognita as vast as the New World was to the Old in the 15th century, as vast as outer space appears to us now. The New World outside of culture is a world that can be conquered through vision and language and, you know, many of you have sat through my recitations of what it's like to smoke DMT. Many of you, I'm sure, are familiar with the, the medieval woodcut of the guy sticking his head through the cogs and wheels of the cosmic machinery to observe a new world outside. The message here is, and it's, it, it's more than a message, it's a message if you just come to events like this and then go back to studying cost accounting. It's an experience if but you will avail yourself of these tools. The experience is of the discovery of a new world. A new world as real as any world that we know. It's not going to come from Time magazine or the secretary general of the United Nations or anybody like that. It's - it isn't that the world is tired and played out and that all frontiers have been explored. Every culture could support that viewpoint. It- within certain classes and in certain situations, but in fact it has never been true and it isn't true now. We are monkeys and monkeys love a helluva good fight and we have a helluva fight bearing down on us because we have to clean up the mess. We are going to- we're not going to go silently into the gentle night of extinction. There- it's just not going to happen that way. Creativity is going to be unleashed. Struggle is going to be, uh, an unavoidable part of trying to steer this battleship away from the cataracts of history in which we are now caught. Uh, I, I believe that it, there is a tremendous obligation upon the priveleged classes of the high-tech industrial democracies, and I daresay that includes everyone in this room, a tremendous obligation to attempt to deconstruct the bomb that we have inherited. I mean that is literally our situation. The gift from the past, from the 19th century, from the 1940's, from the psychology of Nixon and Johnson and that crowd is, uh, a ticking bomb, except that it's a planet. And it's the greatest challenge to intelligence that intelligence has ever faced, and yet it's precisely the kind of challenge that intelligence should be able to meet because what it requires is large-scale strategic planning, implementation, a visionary responses. It is not incremental. It's sudden, complete, and dramatic. And I really believe that, uh, there will only be one chance, you know. It's- we are circling the runway of post-history and the engines are running low and they- there is one approach and then, you know, if you miss that approach you're into the drink. "


Cliffs
Humans destroying planet
Humans so self absorbed with how great humans are
Humans fail to see damage caused by humans
Humans fail to repair damage
Humans fait to repair damage
Humans fait to repair damage
Humans fait to repair damage
Humans fait to repair damage
Humans fait to repair damage
Humans face rapid downward spiral!

 

[zinfamous]

We have the same DNA as amazonian tribesfolk, why are they not blasting into spaec ?

I'm gonna go with resources.

 

[zinfamous]

That's possible, but we can only use the information we have to make such judgments.

...which is what makes statements such as this completely ridiculous:

The clearest sight possible could not yield any other conclusion. Nothing on earth holds a candle to human beings. That this is disputed is itself ridiculous.