Human evolving faster

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Intelligence depends on three things:
Genetics
Childhood nutrition
Education and other "nurture" factors

Intelligence depends on a lot more than that. And you still didn't define what it is - is it a quantifiable character that can have its heritability assessed?

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I don't know why you'd think that I support eugenics.

What part of being allowed to have 8 kids isn't a line straight out the Annals of Eugenics?
?

Why would you think that intelligence isn't a heritable characteristic? AFAIK that is well documented.

I said that people are allowed to have 8 surviving kids by modern science which is ironic because they don't believe in modern science. If this was 300 years ago, many of those kids would be dead before they could have their own children, and since the rate of death while giving childbirth was high, that partially evened out high birth rates for people who survived the first few.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

I don't have any evidence that creationists are less intelligent on average, but belief in creationism correlates with level of education, which correlates somewhat with intelligence.
Do you believe there's any chance that creationists are SMARTER than the general population?

I think it's possible that evolutionists are, on average, more intelligent than the general population, not that creationists are, on average, stupid. Why? Because the theory of evolution is more likely to draw in educated people who think a certain way to believe in it. Just like Scientology draws in successful/famous people. Just like various cults draw in emotionally vulnerable people. Raw intelligence, though, does not mean that a person is any wiser or less gullible than any other person, regardless of what their faith is. It just means that you have to appeal to that intelligence in order to sway them, regardless of whether you are using the truth or just using subtle deception and manipulation.

My point is that the average evolutionist may posses a higher I.Q. than the average creationist, but that doesn't in the slightest bit insure that he/she is correct in his/her belief that evolution is a fact. I am a creationist. Am I a genius? No. Am I an idiot? No. Am I a gullible fool? No. Am I educated and have I examined the presuppositions and tenets of modern evolutionary theory? Yes. Do I hate it when people generalize about and condescend to an entire group of people? Yes.

You want me to believe that you are educated and capable of critical thinking, but somehow something as simple as the stratigraphy of billions of years of rock, with perfect correlation between fossils and isotope dating worldwide, isn't enough to convince you that the earth is more than 6000 years old. It's much worse than if you were just ignorant- that's plain stupidity. I'm sorry if that isn't politically correct.

Would you be upset if I said that people who believe in the magical power of crystals, ghosts, or astrology are stupid?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

That scenario has been through the courts multiple times & forcing a Jehovah's Witness to accept medical care against their consent is considered in this country to be illegal. Whether or not creationists accept evolution is irrelevant. If they pay taxes in the US, they are supporting evolution research.

It's sad that such an exciting science news thread devolved into an irrelevant creationism bashing thread. Ever seen Flock of Dodos?

I'd put the kid's life over his parents beliefs and save it, and deal with the legal consequences later.

This thread devolved (har har) because no one understood my sarcastic comment and started arguing . What if I had directed it specifically to fundamentalists, who are more intent on population increase than the general creationist population and likely able to afford medical care?

 

[IEC]

Silly humans.

 

[Wag]

I just telepathically commanded everyone to type this whole thread.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
This trumps your PC card
http://www.modestapparelchrist...essescustomsewing.com/

I really don't get it. Their dress code bothers you? Explain yourself.

It's just his example of how bigoted one can be while attacking other faiths.

What a total fool.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
This trumps your PC card
http://www.modestapparelchrist...essescustomsewing.com/

I really don't get it. Their dress code bothers you? Explain yourself.

It's just his example of how bigoted one can be while attacking other faiths.

What a total fool.

I didn't have anything against those people, and I was getting pissed at the people making fun of them in the thread about that website... until I read her political section.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Born2bwire

Originally posted by: AmpedSilence
I would have though the exact opposite, considering that medicines now allow people that normally would not be allowed to reproduce, to reproduce; like in-vitro.

Though, maybe aren't evolving faster but maybe just differentiating.

Evolution isn't about changing for the better, but changing. Just because an genetic change does not provide an advantage or even provides a disadvantage does not mean it doesn't fall under evolution.

I wish Creationists would start believing that they aren't allowed to reap the benefits of the science they don't believe in.

One great test of intelligence I've begun using is whether or not somebody can fathom that Creationists have no problem with science. It's like saying they don't believe in math.........i.e. ridiculous and a fallacy of argumentation and pretty much pegs one as a fool. Go figure so much of ATOT thinks that way. You'd have though a bunch of cloistered emotional-midgets would have gleaned more from their collective millenia online looking at porn and playing video games.

 

[flyboy84]

In the article they mention some BS about the rapid evolution being triggered by the invention of agriculture.

But I know why it happened.

You know why too:

Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Crono

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

I don't have any evidence that creationists are less intelligent on average, but belief in creationism correlates with level of education, which correlates somewhat with intelligence.
Do you believe there's any chance that creationists are SMARTER than the general population?

I think it's possible that evolutionists are, on average, more intelligent than the general population, not that creationists are, on average, stupid. Why? Because the theory of evolution is more likely to draw in educated people who think a certain way to believe in it. Just like Scientology draws in successful/famous people. Just like various cults draw in emotionally vulnerable people. Raw intelligence, though, does not mean that a person is any wiser or less gullible than any other person, regardless of what their faith is. It just means that you have to appeal to that intelligence in order to sway them, regardless of whether you are using the truth or just using subtle deception and manipulation.

My point is that the average evolutionist may posses a higher I.Q. than the average creationist, but that doesn't in the slightest bit insure that he/she is correct in his/her belief that evolution is a fact. I am a creationist. Am I a genius? No. Am I an idiot? No. Am I a gullible fool? No. Am I educated and have I examined the presuppositions and tenets of modern evolutionary theory? Yes. Do I hate it when people generalize about and condescend to an entire group of people? Yes.

You want me to believe that you are educated and capable of critical thinking, but somehow something as simple as the stratigraphy of billions of years of rock, with perfect correlation between fossils and isotope dating worldwide, isn't enough to convince you that the earth is more than 6000 years old. It's much worse than if you were just ignorant- that's plain stupidity. I'm sorry if that isn't politically correct.

Would you be upset if I said that people who believe in the magical power of crystals, ghosts, or astrology are stupid?

You keep criticizing people who don't readily accept what is defined as truth by convention. As if anyone skeptical of a scientific theory is stupid because of personal reservations. Whenever I see a debate between a creationist and evolutionist, I see the same damn thing recycled to infinity. Each side debates their interpretation of physical facts as truth. You can't just create things like the geological column out of thin air, but both sides interpret the meaning of the rock strata in the geological column according to their presuppositions of the origins of life. Evolutionists will interpret data according to the presupposition that abiogenesis was way that life originated. Creationists will interpret data based off of the Genesis account of creation. The result is that neither side gains or loses ground to the other side because they both see the world through a different set of glasses.

What really bothers me is people like you, religious or not, who allow the validity or falsity of a thing to be determined for them by a specific source. You read something in a text book or religious text, or you parents or professor tells how something happened, and then BAM! end of debate. Very little challenging is undertaken. But worst of all, anybody who dares defy what you've been taught and decides to choose a different path is "idiotic" and "stupid." You don't stop to think why a person might be skeptical, you don't try to understand why a person doesn't concur with you; all you can see is that that person's views conflict with yours and therefore they aren't as intelligent.

Some of you need to get your damn heads out of your asses and start asking yourselves why you believe what you believe and why there are people who disagree.