Human Development Report 2004

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt
If you feel every country in the top ten doesnt belong there....what countries in your opinion are the best (as the top ones are flawed...including the US by your reasoning...)
I would truely make the arguement that the US is too high on the list to be honest...but not to take away from the "Can 'o' Worms Real Human Development Index"

I'm interested to see this thourough research and information...as the UN's is bunk according to you...

I'm not arguing this list. I'm arguing the subtitle of the report: Cultural liberty in today's diverse world. The US may be ranked too high since it's commonly known that this report highly favors socialist policies. Especially since it considers: health, education, life expectancy, income, poverty levels and environmental quality. Health (lots of uninsured people), life expectancy, environmental quality are pretty poor in the US compared to those other countries.

That subtitle doesn't deserve to be associated with that list with a bunch of discriminatory, xenophobic, and pathetic countries.

 

[Stunt]

They are tracking a country's ability to improve social standards and strive for equality and rights for all people.

It doesnt matter what their ethnic demographics are...just that they are upholding these ideals.
Also in this formula is quality of life, which is helped by economic sucesses.

even if japan has low numbers of different cultures, they are able to advocate liberities within their culture.
These implemented policies and ways to encourage this atmosphere is approached differently by all countries, making it diverse.

The title makes sense to me...sorry to hear you got something different from it.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Stunt
They are tracking a country's ability to improve social standards and strive for equality and rights for all people.

It doesnt matter what their ethnic demographics are...just that they are upholding these ideals.
Also in this formula is quality of life, which is helped by economic sucesses.

even if japan has low numbers of different cultures, they are able to advocate liberities within their culture.
These implemented policies and ways to encourage this atmosphere is approached differently by all countries, making it diverse.

The title makes sense to me...sorry to hear you got something different from it.

I'm not talking about ethnic demographics at all. Japan has extreme xenophobia with certain liberties not available to others. 82% of Belgians report themselves to have racist views. Switzerland's government has a party (which received the most votes) with slogans such as "The Swiss are becoming Negroes." The Netherlands has claimed that multiculturalism is a failure.

I don't even think you can be a citizen of Japan or Switzerland since they have ethnicity-based citizenship requirements. I don't think you can own land in Japan unless you're Japanese.

Do you actually think those countries deserve to be associated with cultural liberty? They certainly aren't embracing it. That subtitle has to be a joke. Maybe the subtitle means something else, but then the way it's phrased is wrong. Like I said before, maybe they explain it somewhere in that huge report. I hope I'm wrong because if I'm right, this is pretty sad.

 

[sandorski]

You're getting confused by the subtitle. It is not the Measure of the statistics or report, it is merely an issue they want to give exposure. The report and rankings are made the same way as usual, this time they have included a blurb on Multiculturalism as a good thing, but not as the reason for the report/rankings. IOW, it doesn't matter if a Nation is zenophobic(your words), claims "multiculturalism has failed", or something else, if the conditions within the Nation are favourable enough, that Nation can still outrank Multicultural Nations.

 

[freegeeks]

it must be very hard for Canoworms to accept, despite his hate campaign, that some of these "pathetic countries" (his own words) are higher ranked then his so beloved USA

 

[Czar]

wow, I dont think many here even looked at the report other than the title

its very detailed, it goes very well into why the ranking is as it is

 

[Stunt]

i looked through the report, it is very thourough...i'm impressed by the amount of work and statistical analysis that has been endured to create it.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Czar
wow, I dont think many here even looked at the report other than the title

its very detailed, it goes very well into why the ranking is as it is

I admit not actually reading it, saw the amount of pages and went into shock!

 

[Martin]

wow, Norway is fscking rich! :shocked:

Anywhoo, good for Canada.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
wow, Norway is fscking rich! :shocked:

thats what happens when you have an already rich and well developed country and then find lots and lots of oil

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: freegeeks
it must be very hard for Canoworms to accept, despite his hate campaign, that some of these "pathetic countries" (his own words) are higher ranked then his so beloved USA

I've said many times that I'm not contesting the rankings based on the factors. I've said that many times. Unlike you, I don't have a flag tied around my head that blinds me. I'm contesting the subtitle if it's associated with those rankings. It's probably not.

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
wow, Norway is fscking rich! :shocked:

thats what happens when you have an already rich and well developed country and then find lots and lots of oil

Yep. Another good example is our very own Alberta - only province with no provincial sales tax and no public debt. Rich fscks

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
wow, Norway is fscking rich! :shocked:

thats what happens when you have an already rich and well developed country and then find lots and lots of oil

Isn't it vitually impossible to emmigrate to Norway?

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: MartyTheManiak
wow, Norway is fscking rich! :shocked:

thats what happens when you have an already rich and well developed country and then find lots and lots of oil

Isn't it vitually impossible to emmigrate to Norway?

no dont think so

 

[Kibbo]

Two things,

1. I don't think that whatever theme the UN report is exploring this year affects the overall rankings, otherwise they would not be comparable from one year to the next.

2. Regarding Belgium, there are several native ethnicities in it by virtue of how it's borders are drawn. There are regions that are French, Flemish and German, and have been that way for centuries. It is a very successful multicultural society drawn in that light. It's political system has had many original innovations in it for centuries, some of which are being adopted in other countries with a multi-national flavour, including Canada.

Note that multi-national is different than multi-cultural.

A multi-national country is one that has regions with very different cultures and ethnicities. Canada, Belgium, Iraq and China would be good examples.

Multi-culturism, although it would encompass those countries, also includes nations such as France and the U.S. that have a great diversity of cultures spread throughout, by virtue of immigration.