hum, I was recently introduced to this Holga thing

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ElFenix

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$3.49 a roll

same price as a roll of 35 mm. obviously there are more pictures on a roll of 35.

just remember that 220 is color, 120 is b&W


edit: it's rumored that wally world and sam's send 120/220 to dwayne's and charge less than dwayne's does to begin with.
 
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Madwand1

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
just remember that 220 is color, 120 is b&W
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Huh? All the processing was for C-41.

BTW, I see a cheap scan to CD included with processing -- I'd go for that, even if you don't use them for finals, as a great way to browse the images.

FWIW, I'd personally get a inexpensive classic TLR on eBay instead of a plastic camera.
 
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I prefer Photoshop, no recurring costs of film with a digicam ;)
 
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just remember that 220 is color, 120 is b&W
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Elfenix is plain wrong.

220 rolls contain 24 shots of 6x6.

120 rolls contain 12 shots of 6x6.

220 rolls usually don't contain a film backing so if you use 220 in a camera with a "ruby window" to see the frame number you'll ruin the whole roll. You also don't see any frame numbers. 220 was used mostly by wedding photogs - using hassies or mayima's or the like with internal frame counters.

Stick with 120 - its far superior in terms of picture quality. However you will probably NOT be able to find a place locally to develop them. You can't just take it to walgreens and get it in an hour. You can either develop the color or black and white or slide pictures yourself at home - or likely send it off to a place like http://www.dalelabs.com I'm lucky enough to have Dale Labs local to me in south florida - they do same day if its in early enough or if you call them and its reasonable for them to put yours ahead.

You can also load 35mm in any Holga (or Diana - Holga's chinese-american cousin). Just need some open cell foam and electrical tape.

Try and find your local Pro lab. It would be a place wedding photographers or portrait guys use to get proofs. Look in your yellow pages and call and see if they do onsite 120 developing. If you can't find one (and it's conceivable that you won't) - Just send it to Dale Labs or Dwaynes - it gets back in a week.

Elfenix is partially correct about Walmart. They send KODACHROME to dwayne's at a discount from normal kodachrome processing. The 120 E-6/C-41 goes to Fuji. If they don't do 1 hour at your walmart they send it to another walmart that does for 35mm c-41. 35mm e-6 goes to fuji. Smae goes for Walgreens, Ritz and Target. CVS uses someone else.


As mentioned by myself 3 paragraphs ago - another way to go about it is to get the stuff to develop both black and white and c-41 color negative and e-6 color reversal yourself at home. Entry cost is a bit high - about $100 but then you only need to buy a kit that costs $13 to process about 10-20 rolls of 120 (or more)
 
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well, do you think it is self-defeating using a high fidelity 120 film on a Holga, instead of a layman 35mm?
 
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come on people. He wants to do some lomography! He wants some crazy saturated, yet muted colors, with a nice vignette! Apparently, holga does this (i guess in camera?) It's the epitome of cross processing/lomography! I guess they're gonna do E-6 in C41 chemicals or vice versa.
 
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Holga's are interesting. I've used my friends but seriously I have gone all digital and I can get the same effect using the Holga Lens Cap thing (google for it).. it fits on your dslr body and acts kinda like a holga.

Ofcourse the fun of the holga is that you dont get to see the result until you develop and then you get to know how badly you shot your pictures. darn instant gratification.
 
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bobdole369

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Yup elfenix ya beat me by a good minute :) Don't take my notes the wrong way, nothing personal :)

Lomo (actually a Diana in my case) is what is leading me AWAY from digital. I find even diana pics more satisfying and look better than what comes out of my 350d.

Now I've even gone and cleaned up my wifes old rebel 2000, and I bought a rangefinder from the 60's for 35mm. I'm shooting way more film than digital.

For me the fun in lomo is in the picture taking. I don't have the control I do with the 350d, and I don't even have the 95% spot on viewfinder of the rebel 2000. The rangefinder is the sharpest of all my camera's, but that can be bad for some things. In those instances, out comes Diana.

well, do you think it is self-defeating using a high fidelity 120 film on a Holga, instead of a layman 35mm?
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"High-fidelity 120 film" is a misnomer. So is "layman 35mm".
The film you shoot depends on the device that you shoot with. In the case of a lomo camera, often thats 120 film. Brownies, Duaflexes, Zenobia's, Bronica's, Hassies, all take 120 film. Not many people would call a brownie high fidelity, but they use the same film as the ultra expensive and amazingly good hasselblad. It's certainly not the film, since it's often exactly the same stuff, just cut to different widths at the factory.

Nikon and Canon make a lot of 35mm stuff, but that doesn't make them any less quality than say a Zeiss Ikonta or even a Leica (arguably the sharpest and "best quality" camera available). The consumer stuff is largely 35mm because of its convenience.

Larger negatives are always nice. Sometimes the convenience of minilab processing wins.


 
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Madwand1

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Originally posted by: andylawcc
well, do you think it is self-defeating using a high fidelity 120 film on a Holga, instead of a layman 35mm?
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No, 120 film cannot defeat a Holga. But if you want to do 35mm -- go for it. It's a lot more convenient, and if you're doing lomo, analyzing technical differences between 35 and 120 is kind of missing the point.

120 was actually a "layman" format originally. It lost to 35mm simply because 35mm was a lot more convenient, and even when you cared about quality differences, it wasn't enough of a difference to make up for the other factors to the vast majority of consumers.
 
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Originally posted by: bobdole369
"High-fidelity 120 film" is a misnomer. So is "layman 35mm".
The film you shoot depends on the device that you shoot with. In the case of a lomo camera, often thats 120 film. Brownies, Duaflexes, Zenobia's, Bronica's, Hassies, all take 120 film. Not many people would call a brownie high fidelity, but they use the same film as the ultra expensive and amazingly good hasselblad. It's certainly not the film, since it's often exactly the same stuff, just cut to different widths at the factory.
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Originally posted by: Madwand1
No, 120 film cannot defeat a Holga. But if you want to do 35mm -- go for it. It's a lot more convenient, and if you're doing lomo, analyzing technical differences between 35 and 120 is kind of missing the point.
120 was actually a "layman" format originally. It lost to 35mm simply because 35mm was a lot more convenient, and even when you cared about quality differences, it wasn't enough of a difference to make up for the other factors to the vast majority of consumers.
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yes, see, that's the point, it shouldn't matter if I use either 35mm or 120 on a Holga, since image quality isn't and shouldn't be a major factor. Economics, instead, should be factor, which includes development and processing cost.
 
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bobdole369

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Not a biggie. You don't need a darkroom to develop yourself. Just a changing bag and a tank - they are lightproof. Or an inside bathroom or closet that you can place towels at the cracks. The cost of entry here is about $100 for the right stuff so maybe not for everyone. Once that hurdle is passed and you have your tanks, reels, graduates, and changing bag, refill chemistry is $13 for about 10 120 rolls. 20 35mm - give or take.

 
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Originally posted by: bobdole369
Not a biggie. You don't need a darkroom to develop yourself. Just a changing bag and a tank - they are lightproof. Or an inside bathroom or closet that you can place towels at the cracks. The cost of entry here is about $100 for the right stuff so maybe not for everyone. Once that hurdle is passed and you have your tanks, reels, graduates, and changing bag, refill chemistry is $13 for about 10 120 rolls. 20 35mm - give or take.
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lol, my roomates be thinking I am cooking up Meth or making moonshine in the bathroom.
But I will consider that once I get my own apartment. until then, it's Wally World.
 
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i guess you can't enlarge them! I've been getting some D-76 from my local camera shop, and developing my negatives in my bathroom/laundry room. However, it gets old quick... Maybe I just get lazy? I wanna see my pics right away!
 
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bobdole369

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Maybe I just get lazy?
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This...

There's something satisfying about developing my film myself. I take lomo pics of special subjects - everything else is thrown in with the digital.

i guess you can't enlarge them!
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Sure you can. You can do poster sized from MF without a second thought.
 
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