*Hugs first amendment* British police arrest men over burning korans

[Terzo]

You answered your question in the next sentence. Rights have absolutely nothing to do with it. Right and wrong is everything. Legal rights can be changed, inciting hate is wrong no matter what.

I'm no moral philosopher. As far as I'm concerned there is what's legal and what isn't. In the US, at least, burning books (even korans) is a right.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It's only religious intolerance on one side. The other is forced in against their will due to practicalities.
It would be their holy war. We would simply be taking out the trash.

So, who is the enemy? All Muslims worldwide? You're advocating wiping out 1/5th of the population of the world?

Good luck with that...count me out.

 

[Malak]

I'm no moral philosopher. As far as I'm concerned there is what's legal and what isn't. In the US, at least, burning books (even korans) is a right.

Legal precedence has already been presented in this thread that says otherwise.

And I don't buy into the American religion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it should be done, tolerated, or allowed to continue.

 

[alien42]

i would like to see the OP walk into a Wal-Mart and yell "FIRE"

what will you be hugging then?

 

[DominionSeraph]

Funny, isn't that what the Islamic terrorists were saying about 9/11? You do know that we were the first the strike right?

Bin Laden is a religious fanatic. Our setting foot in Saudi Arabia with their permission in order to fight Iraq's invasion of Kuwait at the request of the Kuwaitis in order to protect our national interest of equitable access to oil (which we would not have if Iraq had annexed Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Gulf states) does not count as reasonable grounds for affront.

Reality trumps religion because you can't get around reality. Religion, OTOH, can be whatever you make it up to be. So in a showdown between practical matters and religious "truths", religion must yield; because reality sure as hell won't.

 

[DominionSeraph]

So, who is the enemy? All Muslims worldwide?

Whoever is on the side of the terrorists. Duh.

 

[Terzo]

Legal precedence has already been presented in this thread that says otherwise.

And I don't buy into the American religion. Just because something is legal doesn't mean it should be done, tolerated, or allowed to continue.

The ruling was against Virginia's statute. They do mention cross burning with the intent to intimidate, but that is an issue because of the history in the US and association between burning crosses and violence against blacks. I think you'd have a hard time arguing that burning a koran is intimidating to muslims. It is offensive, but that's different.

If you don't like the "American religion" then work to have it changed. Our laws aren't written in stone; they can and have been changed. I'm not so foolish as to think America is a perfect country, but overall it's pretty good. I would say our large immigrant population agrees.

 

[bfdd]

I don't respect the viewpoint of those who burn the Koran. I think it is nothing more than intolerance breeding more intolerance and hatred. Nothing good can come of it.

You don't respect the viewpoint of anyone who burns the Quran? The only thing it could possibly mean is hate right? You know what they say about assuming right JulesMaximus? People can burn the Quran and mean no ill will towards Muslims. Just because you would burn one out of hate doesn't mean everyone would.

 

[SAWYER]

What's next to ban that offend someone's delicate sensibilities?

 

[DominionSeraph]

What's next to ban that offend someone's delicate sensibilities?

Women's tops.

They're oppressing me!

 

[JulesMaximus]

You don't respect the viewpoint of anyone who burns the Quran? The only thing it could possibly mean is hate right? You know what they say about assuming right JulesMaximus? People can burn the Quran and mean no ill will towards Muslims. Just because you would burn one out of hate doesn't mean everyone would.

Oh, so they're burning it out of love, tolerance, and respect? Why didn't they just come right out and say so?

I wouldn't burn a Koran for any reason.

 

[Malak]

Bin Laden is a religious fanatic.

So are you. You preach a dogma spoon-fed to you and believe you are righteous in your holy war. But you aren't.

 

[Malak]

Oh, so they're burning it out of love, tolerance, and respect?

I'll be the first to say I hate assumptions, but Jules is right here. It's just stupid to think someone burns a book, especially a religious one, out of anything but hate.

 

[SAWYER]

I agree^ but I don't care, people should be able to burn a book if they want. People need to suck it up and deal with people who don't share their same views

 

[Malak]

I agree^ but I don't care, people should be able to burn a book if they want. People need to suck it up and deal with people who don't share their same views

Isn't that the point? They shouldn't burn the books because they need to suck it up and deal with people who don't share their same views.

 

[SAWYER]

No that isn't the point. You are advocating one side's beliefs/feelings are more important that another

 

[Terzo]

Isn't that the point? They shouldn't burn the books because they need to suck it up and deal with people who don't share their same views.

Tell that to the Jehova's Witnesses.

 

[Beev]

If I burned a Quran it would be for laughs, not hate, not love. Just "lol I'm doing something you shouldn't fucking care about, but you do anyway, so hahahahaha, you stupid fuck."

 

[OCGuy]

lol @ Europe.

lol @ the people in this thread that think the government should be able to tell you what works of fiction you can/can't burn.

Move on out of the US if you want that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

If I burned a Quran it would be for laughs, not hate, not love. Just "lol I'm doing this because I'm an ignorant twat lolololo I eat my own feces."

fixed that for you

 

[Terzo]

=JulesMaximus;30498832]fixed that for you

Not really. It's natural to want to do something when someone tells you it is forbidden, especially if you don't perceive them as an authority figure. "Sticking it to the man", so to speak.

 

[OCGuy]

Not really. It's natural to want to do something when someone tells you it is forbidden, especially if you don't perceive them as an authority figure. "Sticking it to the man", so to speak.

And it is fun to piss off the goat-fuckers in their caves over on the other side of the world.

Maybe they should go to work instead of burning US flags, and their countries wouldnt be such shit holes.

 

[Malak]

No that isn't the point. You are advocating one side's beliefs/feelings are more important that another

There is not a single Christian belief that burning books is right. So no, we aren't advocating one religion over another. You can't just do something intentionally offensive and then say it has to be allowed because it's his belief. This is entirely different than eating pork in front of Jews.

 

[OCGuy]

Get over it Malak. We can burn any fairy-tale book we want. Umad?

 

[Beev]

fixed that for you

Poor widdle jules doesn't agree with me

People have the right to practice any religion they want and believe in whatever they want, but that will NOT ever, EVER dictate what I can and can't do. Fuck off, religious nuts.