*Hugs first amendment* British police arrest men over burning korans

[JulesMaximus]

Should we? no i think its ignorant and tasteless thing to do. But i also don't think we should ban, limit, fine or jail people that want to.

I just shake my head and laugh at the idiots.

Unfortunately, these idiots are representing us on the world stage.

 

[thraashman]

I find it funny that there are people who want to support the first amendment in the right to burn a Koran, but want to ignore it as much as possible when a mosque is being built near ground zero.

I'm against burning the Koran as it serves no beneficial purpose. Same way I'd be against burning the Bible or the flag, it serves no beneficial purpose. Now, oddly enough if a Muslim were to in protest burn a Koran as a way to speak out to people of his own faith against extremists within his religion, then I'd find the purpose to be beneficial and support it.

Either way I support the right to do it, just find the action unhelpful.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Isn't it illegal to burn a cross?

 

[Malak]

In the US burning/demonstrating/etc.. with intent to discriminate/intimidate is not protected by the 1st amendment.

Linky: http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=000&invol=01-1107

The protections the First Amendment affords speech and expressive conduct are not absolute. This Court has long recognized that the government may regulate certain categories of expression consistent with the Constitution.

Pretty much says it all.

 

[0roo0roo]

Unfortunately, these idiots are representing us on the world stage.

What does have to do with anything. You are worried about the opinions of unsophisiticated morons around the world?

Were we burning korans when the twin towers were hit? The whole constantly blaming yourself for shit crazy people out there believe is insane. To worry about the opinions of crazy people is just that, crazy. If they already believe the jews did 9/11, they were long gone before any koran got burned. Its like a black person trying to convince a skin head of anything, let alone worry about a black mugger making them look bad, its missing the point. The nazi boy made up his crazy mind a long time ago, you can't reason with crazy. Every time theres a new thing like a predator drone accident or collateral damage, or a cartoon, or a koran burning or whatever the media cites it as "the thing" that will set muslims against us. its becoming ridiculous.
http://books.google.com/books?id=et...ch freedom fries&pg=PA272#v=onepage&q&f=false

 

[0roo0roo]

I find it funny that there are people who want to support the first amendment in the right to burn a Koran, but want to ignore it as much as possible when a mosque is being built near ground zero.

I'm against burning the Koran as it serves no beneficial purpose. Same way I'd be against burning the Bible or the flag, it serves no beneficial purpose. Now, oddly enough if a Muslim were to in protest burn a Koran as a way to speak out to people of his own faith against extremists within his religion, then I'd find the purpose to be beneficial and support it.

Either way I support the right to do it, just find the action unhelpful.

yea hundreds of muslims dead over mosque construction in nyc eh?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Does burning the bible have the same penalty?

No that's ok. It doesn't offend people that will blow up your citizens.
Which is what this boils down to. Terrorism has won. The leadership of most nations have bowed down and are scared of terrorists. As are the people that say burning it is ignorant ect.
Go to any Muslim nation and they'll be more than happy to burn bibles and flags but none of you will dare call them ignorant. "They're expressing their anger" or some other liberal BS will spew from your mouths.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What does have to do with anything. You are worried about the opinions of unsophisiticated morons around the world?

Were we burning korans when the twin towers were hit? The whole constantly blaming yourself for shit crazy people out there believe is insane. To worry about the opinions of crazy people is just that, crazy. If they already believe the jews did 9/11, they were long gone before any koran got burned. Its like a black person trying to convince a skin head of anything, let alone worry about a black mugger making them look bad, its missing the point. The nazi boy made up his crazy mind a long time ago, you can't reason with crazy. Every time theres a new thing like a predator drone accident or collateral damage, or a cartoon, or a koran burning or whatever the media cites it as "the thing" that will set muslims against us. its becoming ridiculous.
http://books.google.com/books?id=et...ch freedom fries&pg=PA272#v=onepage&q&f=false

So, what's the good that will come from us burning korans? I'm still waiting to here what possible good comes from this action.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

I find it funny that there are people who want to support the first amendment in the right to burn a Koran, but want to ignore it as much as possible when a mosque is being built near ground zero.

I'm against burning the Koran as it serves no beneficial purpose. Same way I'd be against burning the Bible or the flag, it serves no beneficial purpose. Now, oddly enough if a Muslim were to in protest burn a Koran as a way to speak out to people of his own faith against extremists within his religion, then I'd find the purpose to be beneficial and support it.

Either way I support the right to do it, just find the action unhelpful.

OK, so you only support something if it has a beneficial purpose. So you don't believe in the "gay rights" as homosexual activity doesn't produce offspring thus there is no benefit to society for it.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

So, what's the good that will come from us burning korans? I'm still waiting to here what possible good comes from this action.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

What does "good" coming from an action have to do with whether or not it is allowed? It's called freedom. Like you have the freedom to run your mouth and dissaprove of someone elses actions, they have the freedom to perform whatever action they want as long as they are not physically hurting someone else.

 

[JulesMaximus]

No that's ok. It doesn't offend people that will blow up your citizens.
Which is what this boils down to. Terrorism has won. The leadership of most nations have bowed down and are scared of terrorists. As are the people that say burning it is ignorant ect.
Go to any Muslim nation and they'll be more than happy to burn bibles and flags but none of you will dare call them ignorant. "They're expressing their anger" or some other liberal BS will spew from your mouths.

I don't think it's relevant what a bunch of terrorists or other nations do--why do people always trot that out for an argument? We're supposed to be more tolerant than that, and I don't see that as a legitimate comparison. I'm not saying their intolerance is right either but two wrongs never make a right.

 

[JulesMaximus]

OK, so you only support something if it has a beneficial purpose. So you don't believe in the "gay rights" as homosexual activity doesn't produce offspring thus there is no benefit to society for it.

Now you're saying that gay people have no benefit to society?

 

[0roo0roo]

So, what's the good that will come from us burning korans? I'm still waiting to here what possible good comes from this action.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

There are no two wrongs, they aren't even in the same league, murder and calling for murder is so off the scale that is the fundamental issue, not the burning of any book. Its like you saying bush is bad and me threatening to stab you and your family to death over it, two wrongs doesn't equal a right, you shoulda stfu.

 

[JulesMaximus]

What does "good" coming from an action have to do with whether or not it is allowed? It's called freedom. Like you have the freedom to run your mouth and dissaprove of someone elses actions, they have the freedom to perform whatever action they want as long as they are not physically hurting someone else.

You're defending the action of burning Islamic holy texts. I'm simply asking why? Freedom isn't enough IMO.

 

[DominionSeraph]

I think burning religious texts borders on hate speech actually. It serves no purpose other than to incite hatred and violence.

It serves to send a message that the gloves are off -- that we will no longer put up with their slow burn of hatred and violence; instead we're ready to have it out right now. And no, "We will only attack you between the hours of 2PM and 5PM on alternate Tuesdays between latitudes 23 and 24 if you're wearing a green sweater-vest," but, "WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND DESTROY YOU!"

It sends a clear message that we will not just stand there, cowed in fear in our houses as they come at us at their leisure. No, their violence galvanizes us to do anything and everything to root it out so it NEVER happens again.

Passivity doesn't work against abject hatred of being, and that's what the Koran teaches with regards to "infidels." The only way to fight their violence is with a damned serious threat of better violence.

 

[Terzo]

I don't think it's relevant what a bunch of terrorists or other nations do--why do people always trot that out for an argument? We're supposed to be more tolerant than that, and I don't see that as a legitimate comparison. I'm not saying their intolerance is right either but two wrongs never make a right.

Why can't you tolerate the book burning? Sure it's stupid and provocative, but that's their right (at least in the states). You don't have to like it, just tolerate it.

 

[Terzo]

You're defending the action of burning Islamic holy texts. I'm simply asking why? Freedom isn't enough IMO.

Well, there's the sticker. I reckon for many who support it (not necessarily condone it) freedom is enough. I doubt either side will have a snowballs chance in hell of changing opinions on that.

 

[JulesMaximus]

There are no two wrongs, they aren't even in the same league, murder and calling for murder is so off the scale that is the fundamental issue, not the burning of any book. Its like you saying bush is bad and me threatening to stab you and your family to death over it, two wrongs doesn't equal a right, you shoulda stfu.

So, burning the koran is not wrong? Is burning the bible wrong? How about the flag? I bet there are many people in this country who would beat me to death if I burned the flag of the United States of America in front of them...or a bible.

Scale is irrelevant.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Why can't you tolerate the book burning? Sure it's stupid and provocative, but that's their right (at least in the states). You don't have to like it, just tolerate it.

I don't like it...and I don't really have any choice but to tolerate it. If I did I probably wouldn't though.

 

[0roo0roo]

So, burning the koran is not wrong? Is burning the bible wrong? How about the flag? I bet there are many people in this country who would beat me to death if I burned the flag of the United States of America in front of them...or a bible.

Scale is irrelevant.

Ideological rules apply only to followers. If you are not a muslim, burning the koran is NOT wrong. Its like saying that eating pork is wrong because the jews think its verboten.

 

[JulesMaximus]

It serves to send a message that the gloves are off -- that we will no longer put up with their slow burn of hatred and violence; instead we're ready to have it out right now. And no, "We will only attack you between the hours of 2PM and 5PM on alternate Tuesdays between latitudes 23 and 24 if you're wearing a green sweater-vest," but, "WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND DESTROY YOU!"

It sends a clear message that we will not just stand there, cowed in fear in our houses as they come at us at their leisure. No, their violence galvanizes us to do anything and everything to root it out so it NEVER happens again.

Passivity doesn't work against abject hatred of being, and that's what the Koran teaches with regards to "infidels." The only way to fight their violence is with a damned serious threat of better violence.

Burning the koran does all that? Personally, I think it makes us look like idiots.

Holy wars here we come!!! If you ask me to choose sides I'm moving to Switzerland.

 

[SAWYER]

Ideological rules apply only to followers. If you are not a muslim, burning the koran is NOT wrong. Its like saying that eating pork is wrong because the jews think its verboten.

/thread

 

[Malak]

It serves to send a message that the gloves are off -- that we will no longer put up with their slow burn of hatred and violence; instead we're ready to have it out right now. And no, "We will only attack you between the hours of 2PM and 5PM on alternate Tuesdays between latitudes 23 and 24 if you're wearing a green sweater-vest," but, "WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND DESTROY YOU!"

It sends a clear message that we will not just stand there, cowed in fear in our houses as they come at us at their leisure. No, their violence galvanizes us to do anything and everything to root it out so it NEVER happens again.

Passivity doesn't work against abject hatred of being, and that's what the Koran teaches with regards to "infidels." The only way to fight their violence is with a damned serious threat of better violence.

Funny, isn't that what the Islamic terrorists were saying about 9/11? You do know that we were the first the strike right?

 

[Malak]

Why can't you tolerate the book burning? Sure it's stupid and provocative, but that's their right (at least in the states). You don't have to like it, just tolerate it.

You answered your question in the next sentence. Rights have absolutely nothing to do with it. Right and wrong is everything. Legal rights can be changed, inciting hate is wrong no matter what.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Holy wars here we come!!!

It's only religious intolerance on one side. The other is forced in against their will due to practicalities.
It would be their holy war. We would simply be taking out the trash.