Huge Blast in Northern California Neighborhood

[Infohawk]

We need to spend less on infrastructure and deregulate energy companies.

You're gonna get a mouthful from woolfe about politicizing this. Oh wait you probably won't because he agrees with you.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Wow.

I seriously hope that if negligence is found on the utility, they get their asses sued like no other. It's sad that either A) the nations infrastructure is in this dire a condition and we aren't doing enough to overhaul it (what Obama announced is only a small % of the issue), B) we allow utility companies to care so little about the systems they are in charge of that this stuff happens, or C) a little bit of both.

 

[BoomerD]

We need to spend less on infrastructure and deregulate energy companies.

That whole "deregulation" thing worked out so well for Kahleeforneeya...that's what triggered the Enron debacle in 2001.
Of course, deregulation was the brainchild of PG&E, L.A. Water & Power, and San Diego Electric...the big wigs of whom were "pals" with then Governor, Pete Wilson who took their side.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

n/m

eh wtf? didn't notice the dates.

 

[woolfe9999]

You're gonna get a mouthful from woolfe about politicizing this. Oh wait you probably won't because he agrees with you.

I didn't notice this tripe until someone bumped the thread. In fact, no, assuming he meant that in earnest (which I don't think he did not), I don't agree with him on either of those points, and I don't know why you think I do.

- wolf

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I didn't notice this tripe until someone bumped the thread. In fact, no, assuming he meant that in earnest (which I don't think he did not), I don't agree with him on either of those points, and I don't know why you think I do.

- wolf

It's because he is "a" and you are not. Sensamp isn't "a" either and therefore you side with the latter. As Capt Queeg would say it's simple geometric logic.

 

[Infohawk]

I didn't notice this tripe until someone bumped the thread. In fact, no, assuming he meant that in earnest (which I don't think he did not), I don't agree with him on either of those points, and I don't know why you think I do.

- wolf

You jumped down a conservative poster's throat for politicizing the thread and didn't jump down Sensamp's throat when he did the same thing. Maybe you just conveniently forget to complain about politicizing when it's a liberal poster? Anyway, not worthy of much more discussion. I'll let your selective criticisms speak for themselves.

 

[her209]

Maybe PG&E should have spent some of the $46.1 million on fixing their infrastructure instead of trying to pass Proposition 16.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Wow.

I seriously hope that if negligence is found on the utility, they get their asses sued like no other. It's sad that either A) the nations infrastructure is in this dire a condition and we aren't doing enough to overhaul it (what Obama announced is only a small % of the issue), B) we allow utility companies to care so little about the systems they are in charge of that this stuff happens, or C) a little bit of both.

We need to spend less on infrastructure and deregulate energy companies.

PG&E spent $45 million on a losing ballot measure to prevent public power. Perhaps they should spend more of their money on taking care of their obligations to their customers than on political shenanigans?

Maybe PG&E should have spent some of the $46.1 million on fixing their infrastructure instead of trying to pass Proposition 16.

?????

 

[BoomerD]

I saw a brief news story a few nights ago about a couple who had been evacuated from their home and weren't permitted to return for several days. When they were finally allowed back to their home...it had been burglarized.

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-15/...oting_1_looting-15-mile-chase-police?_s=PM:US

 

[Corn]

No need in pointing out the obvious CAD, we know the score.

 

[5150Joker]

This is a tragedy and I wish the best for the families affected.

 

[Corn]

This is a tragedy and I wish the best for the families affected.

I remember when I first saw the video of the inferno the neighborhood was engulfed in, I was amazed that more weren't killed. Unbelievable the amount of devistation that explosion caused.

 

[Craig234]

No need in pointing out the obvious CAD, we know the score.

Ya, 'the score is that you can't tell the difference between someone using this incident - which happened 10 miles from Wolfe and maybe 20 from me - for irrelevant Obama, who has nothing to do with this attacks - a post using this to call Obama 'Something and cheat' and say Obama is building a mosque - and posts actually about this issue, discussing the utility whose pipeline exploded, and that utility's behavior in spending large sums to try to prevent any public power from taking business from them.

The moderator correctly called the 'conservative' post what it is:
"Your troll did not address this situation at all, and was simply a troll."

Cad doesn't get the difference. Corn doesn't get the difference. How embarrassing for them. I'm about to suggest we try to recruit some decent right-wing posters.

 

[Corn]

Perhaps you should take care to see FNE and Infohawk's bans were lifted after pointing out the obvious: Their commentary were not bannable offenses in this thread.

Not. Even. Close.

....and I thought you had me on ignore.

But lets not derail the thread further, put me back on ignore so you can sleep better.

 

[Craig234]

Perhaps you should take care to see FNE and Infohawk's bans were lifted after pointing out the obvious: Their commentary were not bannable offenses in this thread.

Not. Even. Close.

....and I thought you had me on ignore.

But lets not derail the thread further, put me back on ignore so you can sleep better.

That's my unilateral option to ignore or not ignore someone, and sometimes I run across a post before checking the poster.

Try to follow this: a big deal is being made out of Wolfe's criticizing one poster and not another. That one poster, who I posted about but you did not, is Budmanton.

Not the others you mention, and neither Wolfe nor I mentioned.

 

[Corn]

I can't speak for Cad, but I have no love or support for Budmantom post in this thread. I still don't think it ban worthy, but it looks as if the duration of his vacation was also shortened. He trolled this thread, just as you are beginning to.

My sole objection was the bans handed out to FNE and, especially, Infohawk. They said absolutely nothing worthy of being banned. Their bans have since been lifted. Drop it already.

 

[Fear No Evil]

My comment was trying to make the point that these type of disasters can happen even in our own backyards not just on an oil platform. Usually when these type of things happen though we get the 'stop drilling now' crowd out screaming to stop all drilling for oil. Just like oil, natural gas is something we all need.. unfortunately accidents happen.. we need to learn from them and move on. I think its rather amazing that we have highly flammable gas being pumped all over this country and we have relatively few problems.

 

[woolfe9999]

You jumped down a conservative poster's throat for politicizing the thread and didn't jump down Sensamp's throat when he did the same thing. Maybe you just conveniently forget to complain about politicizing when it's a liberal poster? Anyway, not worthy of much more discussion. I'll let your selective criticisms speak for themselves.

I didn't even revisit this thread after my first post until someone bumped it yesterday and I noticed your response. Which would be why I didn't reply to your criticism until yesterday even though you posted it 12 days ago. Asshat.

- wolf

 

[squirrel dog]

I hope the utility that is to blame for this disaster steps up with check book in hand.I would think they have disaster insurance.This will be a lawyer free for all for sure.

 

[Craig234]

I can't speak for Cad, but I have no love or support for Budmantom post in this thread. I still don't think it ban worthy, but it looks as if the duration of his vacation was also shortened. He trolled this thread, just as you are beginning to.

My sole objection was the bans handed out to FNE and, especially, Infohawk. They said absolutely nothing worthy of being banned. Their bans have since been lifted. Drop it already.

I'm not trolling, I addressed your crap post. And I addresses the actual issue - the exchange involving Budmanton and Wolfe - and you went off on an irrelevant issue.

I didn't even know about the issue with FNE and Infohawk, and I did not post about it, but you responded to my post with that being 'your only issue'.

The attacks I criticized were against Wolfe for his criticizing Budmanton and not posts actually on the topic - nothing to do with FNE and Infohawk. You drop it.

 

[Craig234]

I hope the utility that is to blame for this disaster steps up with check book in hand.I would think they have disaster insurance.This will be a lawyer free for all for sure.

It raises the same issues that come up on such situations - ultimately, the people pay for disasters like this in their rates.

There have already been stories of PG&E seeking approval to add the costs for this disaster to its rates (it's a regulated utility).

This is a place where regulation comes in, trying to prevent excessive risk-taking for profit that creates too much risk, whether in safety or cost.

Unfortunately, instead of recognizing the fix to 'bad regulation' is 'good regulation', some people think 'no regulation' is the way to go.

This publically regulated utility is a better way to go than, say, the Enron approach, but their attempts to buy the law preventing public power with a misleading and massive ad campaign is an indication how there are still issues. As a private company with great wealth from the public who needs energy, they are still sometimes influencing policy poorly. This is where we need regulatory independence serving the public.

 

[woolfe9999]

Perhaps you should take care to see FNE and Infohawk's bans were lifted after pointing out the obvious: Their commentary were not bannable offenses in this thread.

Not. Even. Close.

....and I thought you had me on ignore.

But lets not derail the thread further, put me back on ignore so you can sleep better.

I agree that no one should have been banned, certainly not Infohawk and FNE and probably not even Badmunton.

I think Craig explained pretty well why I had such a negative reaction to Badmunton's post. Quite honestly, I felt the same way about some comments I read on discussion forums about Bush very early in the Katrina disaster. There, of course, unlike here, Bush actually did have some responsibility to address the matter, but I felt some of the early comments, especially those in the first couple days, were prematurely politicizing the incident. I don't know, it doesn't feel right when someone's first and only response to a disaster is to politicize it right away, especially in a disengenuous manner.

Enough said on that and hopefully no one remains banned.

- wolf

 

[WHAMPOM]

OOOOOHHHH! Company spends $Millions$ to prevent formation of a public utility, ignores reports of gas leak for two weeks, after it blows takes three hours to shut down burning gas line, corporate responsibility???