Huawei launches first HarmonyOS laptop – a true turning point?

[kage69]

yada yada just triple down on chauvinism, and blame others for being lazy. 🤣

Logically, if Chinese quality is utter shit, you wouldn't even need to protect against it. Because it would fail on its own.
Don't get me wrong, parts of their vast manufacturing benefit from state subsidies, which gives them an unfair pricing advantage vs western competition. For that reason, targeted tariffs does make some sense. They're indeed well known for IP theft and industrial espionage.

Glad you bring up Russia; outside of petroleum products and mail-order brides, they have absolutely nothing we want to buy. Ergo besides sanctions due to their illegal invasion of Ukraine, we don't have to target any of their industries in any way, shape or form. Yet for some reasons, we are deeply concerned about China's growing economic and military capabilities. 🤔

Finally, WSJ reports that despite export controls tying one hand behind their backs, SMIC is a capable foundry that is strategically important for China. I guess WSJ must be lazy as well.

Hey if the shoe fits. Your reply makes me suspect you don't understand what the term "triples down" means. Also that I hit a nerve. Do we have another CCP fan taking things personally? Tsk tsk.

Logically, I can't believe (all) Chinese quality is utter shit if I've already submitted, and I quote, "Good quality is possible, but it's usually an exception rather than a rule." Plenty of Chinese tech giants have gone under, where have you been? You mean fail like UNIGROUP? Or you mean fail like Xiangdixian? Go look up how many Chinese tech companies went under in 2023 and get back to us. You are basically crowing because China was able to stay afloat by smuggling western tech around sanctions. Where would they be without Nvidia?

The Russian military largely thinks Chinese stuff is junk, I'm sorry you and others are having such a difficult time reconciling that with the topic and claims of chauvenism. Unfortunately absolutely nothing about my post was related to the Russian economy or natural resources. You aren't arguing what you think you are. I did notice you didn't even attempt to answer my challenges regarding Japan and Korea, avoided my mention of other industries like budget Chinese meat.

"Yet for some reasons..."

lol, yikes. Your dismissive attitude towards a very real and looming threat to peace in Asia makes me think I'm wasting my time responding to you. Yeah, you should probably ignore my posts moving forward.

 

[thedighubs]

Hi there many thanks for the reply and for sharing your thoughts and ideas. On that topic

Manly you wrote

If China sucks so bad at innovation, why did we have to ban them from buying ASML's most advanced lithography systems? Surely if their BEVs suck so badly, we don't need to tariff the hell out of them, right? Why did we ban Huawei from western CPUs if they can't compete in software anyway?

I share the statement.

China is obviously still playing catch-up, but because we've taken an antagonistic posture against them (and arguably rightfully so), the CCP has decided they must become self-sufficient in key technology sectors going forward. And sadly, plenty of Nvidia's best GPUs were smuggled i via intermediaries to fuel the AI boom.

I think that it's ( and was) just interesting to see what happened when deep seek entered the market.

Especially the field of AI seems to be one of the keys field In r/d for the next ten years..

 

[manly]

Hey if the shoe fits. Your reply makes me suspect you don't understand what the term "triples down" means. Also that I hit a nerve. Do we have another CCP fan taking things personally? Tsk tsk.

Logically, I can't believe (all) Chinese quality is utter shit if I've already submitted, and I quote, "Good quality is possible, but it's usually an exception rather than a rule." Plenty of Chinese tech giants have gone under, where have you been? You mean fail like UNIGROUP? Or you mean fail like Xiangdixian? Go look up how many Chinese tech companies went under in 2023 and get back to us. You are basically crowing because China was able to stay afloat by smuggling western tech around sanctions. Where would they be without Nvidia?

The Russian military largely thinks Chinese stuff is junk, I'm sorry you and others are having such a difficult time reconciling that with the topic and claims of chauvenism. Unfortunately absolutely nothing about my post was related to the Russian economy or natural resources. You aren't arguing what you think you are. I did notice you didn't even attempt to answer my challenges regarding Japan and Korea, avoided my mention of other industries like budget Chinese meat.

"Yet for some reasons..."

lol, yikes. Your dismissive attitude towards a very real and looming threat to peace in Asia makes me think I'm wasting my time responding to you. Yeah, you should probably ignore my posts moving forward.

You are thoroughly confused.

I'm an American and like others in this forum, we understand China is a geopolitical threat in various ways. That includes their tech ambitions, which are pressured to achieve because of U.S. export controls. Nobody here is crowing about shit; we're saying China is an adversary because they are capable of being one. And nobody is saying they will achieve economic parity with the U.S. (but we just might bankrupt ourselves as they come close). Thanks for explaining for the class that in capitalism, some companies fail.

Yet you're the one who simultaneously states their quality (and innovation) is utter junk, but we should be worried about that threat?

Logic does not appear to be your strongest suit. I'll be happy to answer your "challenges" when you start making some sense, how about that?

The dismissive attitude you claimed I had was clear sarcasm, on how the U.S. views China as an economic/tech adversary (and yet Russia isn't).

I'll be happy to ignore your posts in this thread, because you add zero to the conversation.