News Huawei and ARM back in business?

[soresu]

This article from EE Times seems to suggest that ARM and Huawei are back on point where licensing is concerned, so it would seem that future ARM core designs will end up in Hisilicon Kirin SoC's after all.

 

[ThatBuzzkiller]

Or they could've used different designs that doesn't rely on US originated IPs ...

 

[NTMBK]

Probably banking on Trump being impeached before the phone launches.



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[Ajay]

Probably banking on Trump being impeached before the phone launches.

Uh, wrong thread...

 

[soresu]

Probably banking on Trump being impeached before the phone launches.

Declaring that they would discontinue supplying Huawei/Hisilicon was likely a precautionary measure while they figured out the exact legal position they were in.

ARM's is a much murkier position vs AMD and Intel considering the lions share of their IP is owned by a non-US company to begin with.

It may be that they simply told Huawei what was US licensed tech alone and told them to fill in the gaps, or ARM developed equivalent tech to fill in the gaps themselves.

On the other hand, ARM may have simply pointed out to the US government that one of their foremost semicon companies Qualcomm would be crippled in the high end market if ARM decided to go with the nuclear option to protect their freedom to license - ie deny Qualcomm licensing for new CPU cores.

Or ARM simply got a waiver because whatever US licensed tech they use was so inconsequential and common place that the the govmt would look like fools for blocking them on that alone.

 

[soresu]

Uh, wrong thread...

Likely, but politics is intrinsically wrapped up in Kirin SoC components at the moment - though I would agree seeing that name anywhere technical is something of an oxymoron

 

[DrMrLordX]

Pretty sure the Feds partially lifted import restrictions on Huawei to the point where they could still license designs from ARM holdings. Possibly related:

US may scale back restrictions on Huawei after adding it to trade blacklist

US Commerce Department may issue temporary licence to give companies and people with Huawei equipment time to maintain reliability of networks.

www.scmp.com

Note the cited article lists a 90-day grace period, but I think the lifting of restrictions was extended beyond that at some point.

edit: yeah, thought so:

Trade war coming down to US easing up on Huawei and China buying agricultural products

Olive branches were extended from both China and the U.S. as the two nations are set to restart face-to-face trade negotiations after a monthlong truce.

www.cnbc.com

 

[NTMBK]

Pretty sure the Feds partially lifted import restrictions on Huawei to the point where they could still license designs from ARM holdings. Possibly related:

US may scale back restrictions on Huawei after adding it to trade blacklist

US Commerce Department may issue temporary licence to give companies and people with Huawei equipment time to maintain reliability of networks.

www.scmp.com

Note the cited article lists a 90-day grace period, but I think the lifting of restrictions was extended beyond that at some point.

edit: yeah, thought so:

Trade war coming down to US easing up on Huawei and China buying agricultural products

Olive branches were extended from both China and the U.S. as the two nations are set to restart face-to-face trade negotiations after a monthlong truce.

www.cnbc.com

Sure, but the Cheeto in Chief could still put the pressure back on next time he wants a boost in the polls by looking "tough on China". Only way Huawei is safe is with him gone.

You were just warned 5 posts ago from bringing P&N into this sub-forum,
but here we are again.

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[moinmoin]

This article from EE Times seems to suggest that ARM and Huawei are back on point where licensing is concerned, so it would seem that future ARM core designs will end up in Hisilicon Kirin SoC's after all.

Honestly this reads like non-news. Arm's Japanese majority owner SoftBank was pushing for Arm China to take a more active self-sufficient role in regional licensing even before the US-China trade war. Arm Holding's cautiousness since was due to all the interplay of US IPs and US customers potentially affecting their international business, while it only accelerated said efforts at Arm China with their large customer base in the region (including Huawei).