http://www.nvidia.com/

[stebesplace]

Well there is is. . .front page and in big color graphics. . .ha

http://www.nvidia.com/

the geforce fx

wooohooo

-steve

 

[cmdrdredd]

not to rain on your parade so to speak but...the new Geforce FX is supposed to be priced $500 for the top of the line model

here's what I laugh at "Right now NVIDIA is claiming a 30 - 50% performance advantage over the Radeon 9700 Pro across the board."

that's horrible! When the NV30 is out in Feburary the 9700 will be $250 or around. For TWO TIMES THE PRICE you only get a 50% increase? To me that's just pitiful for nvidia. Why? Simple...ATi released a card that beat Nvidia's flagship Ti4600 bu an average of 30% across the board and when you turned up the FSAA etc you got 200% increase! If Nvidia cannot do that with all the specs they're throwing around with .13 micron etc then I laugh at their effort. When the 9700Pro was released i could get it in the retail channels for the exact same price as a comparable Ti4600 and get 30-200% increase across the board. HAHA

I'm not saying that Nvidia's new card isn't fancy and won't be cool, but seriously. ATI's got my money and they've got some excellent drivers now.

 

[HendrixFan]

For claims of a 30-50% performance increase, there sure isnt very many benchmarks. In fact the only benchmark I have seen was for DoomIII, and the R9700 numbers looked alot lower than what people were boasting and posting screens of. Then upon closer inspection it was running "nvdemo3".

 

[eaadams]

Dont forget we have not seen what happens when the 9700 goes to DDR-II and .13

 

linked for you lazy folks

 

[Xentropy]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
not to rain on your parade so to speak but...the new Geforce FX is supposed to be priced $500 for the top of the line model

Note that the GF3 was supposed to be $499, too, then ended up $350 at many online retailers on day one. Expect the same again.

here's what I laugh at "Right now NVIDIA is claiming a 30 - 50% performance advantage over the Radeon 9700 Pro across the board."

that's horrible! When the NV30 is out in Feburary the 9700 will be $250 or around. For TWO TIMES THE PRICE you only get a 50% increase? To me that's just pitiful for nvidia. Why? Simple...ATi released a card that beat Nvidia's flagship Ti4600 bu an average of 30% across the board and when you turned up the FSAA etc you got 200% increase! If Nvidia cannot do that with all the specs they're throwing around with .13 micron etc then I laugh at their effort.

Once again, we're only talking a 40% increase in price, not 100%, since there's no way you won't be able to find far better than $499 on release. That aside, do you *really* expect *another* 200% increase in FSAA? You're saying that you laugh at nVidia because their FSAA isn't *faster* than FSAA off? Obviously a fanBOi, especially adding the fact you cut and pasted this exact message to at least two diff threads.

Basically, with the GeforceFX, both ATi and nVidia will be offering FSAA/aniso for "free". But the NV30 will do it all 30-50% faster. Which is *still* a better percentage improvement generation-over-generation than has been seen in quite a while, a shift to AA/aniso notwithstanding.

When the 9700Pro was released i could get it in the retail channels for the exact same price as a comparable Ti4600 and get 30-200% increase across the board. HAHA

That's just frankly a lie. By the time 9700 Pro's were findable, early September or so, the Ti4600 was only $250, the 9700 Pro $350. So basically you're going to be looking at the same thing in Jan-Feb, Ti5800 $350, 9700 Pro $250, for the same speed improvement, except the "free AA" trump card has already been played.

I'm not saying that Nvidia's new card isn't fancy and won't be cool, but seriously. ATI's got my money and they've got some excellent drivers now.

Same "excellent drivers" that I watch my friend with the 9700 Pro at LAN parties installing different versions of for each game we play? Excellent to me is not having to change versions game to game for stability, but then again, I'm up to an nVidia standard, I'm sure being a long-time ATi user you've become accustomed to all the crashing and think it's normal. Kinda like Windows users get until they taste Linux.

 

[Mem]

Dont forget we have not seen what happens when the 9700 goes to DDR-II and .13

True but you`re forgetting two things,one is Nvidia will bring out faster cards as well so it will be a cat and mouse chase for top spot between them, and two I know a lot of people that refuse to use ATi cards because of driver quality which still have some problems( ie read the ATI driver thread "New ATI Catalyst 2.4 drivers " here in video forum)


,I don`t want to start a flame war but that only leaves Nvidia after that,competition is good & at least we have the choice .To me the most important thing is driver quality no matter how fast or cheap the card is,drivers can make or break a card IMHO.

 

[Slappy00]

cant we all just get along?

Same "excellent drivers" that I watch my friend with the 9700 Pro at LAN parties installing different versions of for each game we play? Excellent to me is not having to change versions game to game for stability, but then again, I'm up to an nVidia standard, I'm sure being a long-time ATi user you've become accustomed to all the crashing and think it's normal. Kinda like Windows users get until they taste Linux.

boy you sound just as impartal as the origional quote.

ATI does have some incompatibility issues, but you think that the mgihty Nvidia wil be completely immune to these issues also? thats where you are nieve my friend. This is not the same as going from GF3 to GF4 this is a radical change in hardware and rendering ablities. Do you honestly think that when you slap your new GFFX in you will get flawless driver performance? if so Nvidia has done its job and hypnotized you. to thinking they are going to roll out the perfect card with the perfect drivers. THe y too wil have issues with older games and will be in the same boat as ATI was back in August.

ATI has shown a concerted effort to push drivers out that address many issues at a terribly fast pace ( i saw two driver udates withina very short amout of time 2.3-2.4). Their continued effort to make this card work eared my respect and money and i have no fear that this card will only get more stable and faster as time wears on.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Xentropy

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
not to rain on your parade so to speak but...the new Geforce FX is supposed to be priced $500 for the top of the line model

Note that the GF3 was supposed to be $499, too, then ended up $350 at many online retailers on day one. Expect the same again.

here's what I laugh at "Right now NVIDIA is claiming a 30 - 50% performance advantage over the Radeon 9700 Pro across the board."

that's horrible! When the NV30 is out in Feburary the 9700 will be $250 or around. For TWO TIMES THE PRICE you only get a 50% increase? To me that's just pitiful for nvidia. Why? Simple...ATi released a card that beat Nvidia's flagship Ti4600 bu an average of 30% across the board and when you turned up the FSAA etc you got 200% increase! If Nvidia cannot do that with all the specs they're throwing around with .13 micron etc then I laugh at their effort.

Once again, we're only talking a 40% increase in price, not 100%, since there's no way you won't be able to find far better than $499 on release. That aside, do you *really* expect *another* 200% increase in FSAA? You're saying that you laugh at nVidia because their FSAA isn't *faster* than FSAA off? Obviously a fanBOi, especially adding the fact you cut and pasted this exact message to at least two diff threads.

Basically, with the GeforceFX, both ATi and nVidia will be offering FSAA/aniso for "free". But the NV30 will do it all 30-50% faster. Which is *still* a better percentage improvement generation-over-generation than has been seen in quite a while, a shift to AA/aniso notwithstanding.

When the 9700Pro was released i could get it in the retail channels for the exact same price as a comparable Ti4600 and get 30-200% increase across the board. HAHA

That's just frankly a lie. By the time 9700 Pro's were findable, early September or so, the Ti4600 was only $250, the 9700 Pro $350. So basically you're going to be looking at the same thing in Jan-Feb, Ti5800 $350, 9700 Pro $250, for the same speed improvement, except the "free AA" trump card has already been played.

I'm not saying that Nvidia's new card isn't fancy and won't be cool, but seriously. ATI's got my money and they've got some excellent drivers now.

Same "excellent drivers" that I watch my friend with the 9700 Pro at LAN parties installing different versions of for each game we play? Excellent to me is not having to change versions game to game for stability, but then again, I'm up to an nVidia standard, I'm sure being a long-time ATi user you've become accustomed to all the crashing and think it's normal. Kinda like Windows users get until they taste Linux.

sounds to me like you don't like people talking bad about your beloved Nvidia...bah...

 

[cmdrdredd]

and for the record I've owned a GF2 GTS, GF3, GF3 Ti500, an ATi8500 then went to GF4 then to Radeon 9700Pro


it was once said "don't try to remove the speck from your brothers eye if you cannot see the stick that is stuck in yours" or "those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

my fanboy Xentropy

for the record: I've had more BSODS, infinite loops and such with Nvidia drivers than ATi and Nvidia still hasn't fixed the 60Hz refresh problem in their drivers. At least ATi did with the Cat 2.4 drivers in D3D and OGL fix is on the way.