HS Principal punishes students for parking on residential streets

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Who the hell cares if people "like" to ride the bus. Its there for a reason. The reason is that noone in their right mind wants 800 highschool kids driving in close proximity. This is the reason they stopped letting ANYONE drive at our highschool. Because most of the kids are fvcking morons, and do stupid sh!t in their cars. There was an accident about 2 blocks off of school property that killed 4 highschool students.


The same thing happened at my moms school where she teaches. Two students decided to race as soon as they left school, and one of them flipped his car into a ditch, and killed himself and two of his passengers.

I disagree. You have a car, you have a license, why should you be able to drive anywhere you want EXCEPT to school? It really opens up a lot of opportunity for students to do extra activities without placing the burden on parents. You break the rules, you don't get to drive and park at school anymore.

As far the 1-mile radius law, I think that's ridiculous. That means if my car was parked in front of my house (which is where it usually is), and I walked to school from my house, I could be ticketed. Also, i recall straight from a police officers mouth

"This is a public street, free for anyone to park on. Nobody has control over it, not even the house the spot is in front of."

We keep restricting what students can do. No more open campus, no more driving to school, metal detectors, etc...if we keep treating our students like they're good-for-nothings, that's how they're going to behave.

And to make it against the law or against school rules for only students to park on residential streets is age discrimination. It's no better than saying "I don't want no (insert religion, ethnic group, gender, etc) parking on my street in front of my house!"

 

[herkulease]

Its been a long time since there was open campus. The school is responsible for the student and having open campuses makes their job that much harder.

Metal detectors? They chalk that up under safety and in most places in implemented at schools have had trouble dealing with violence.

I hate to break it to you but age discrimination against young people is perfectly legal.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: bignateyk
Who the hell cares if people "like" to ride the bus. Its there for a reason. The reason is that noone in their right mind wants 800 highschool kids driving in close proximity. This is the reason they stopped letting ANYONE drive at our highschool. Because most of the kids are fvcking morons, and do stupid sh!t in their cars. There was an accident about 2 blocks off of school property that killed 4 highschool students.


The same thing happened at my moms school where she teaches. Two students decided to race as soon as they left school, and one of them flipped his car into a ditch, and killed himself and two of his passengers.

I disagree. You have a car, you have a license, why should you be able to drive anywhere you want EXCEPT to school? It really opens up a lot of opportunity for students to do extra activities without placing the burden on parents. You break the rules, you don't get to drive and park at school anymore.

As far the 1-mile radius law, I think that's ridiculous. That means if my car was parked in front of my house (which is where it usually is), and I walked to school from my house, I could be ticketed. Also, i recall straight from a police officers mouth

"This is a public street, free for anyone to park on. Nobody has control over it, not even the house the spot is in front of."

We keep restricting what students can do. No more open campus, no more driving to school, metal detectors, etc...if we keep treating our students like they're good-for-nothings, that's how they're going to behave.

And to make it against the law or against school rules for only students to park on residential streets is age discrimination. It's no better than saying "I don't want no (insert religion, ethnic group, gender, etc) parking on my street in front of my house!"

And this is why I responded to you the way I did.

The school has rules. Follow them or face the consequences. It really is that simple.

It has nothing to do with age discrimination. It has to do with controlling what the students do. It's that, or "No Parking" signs go up in all the neighborhoods. And guess what? That not only restricts the students, it restricts the residents.

I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Amused
I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

And I'll lay it out for you again. I'm not disputing the fact that it's the rules and you have to follow them. I'm disputing the merit of the rules. It should either be against the law to park on certain residential streets FOR EVERYONE, or not. This is clearly not the case. Only students were being punished...and it was by the school. Which makes it clear that this was not a city law, or else you couldn't enforce it on just one group of people. Instead, this was a school rule, which leads me to wonder why the school principal would make it his business where students were parking. A school isn't the same as a business. School is owned by the parents that send their children there...and if I ever have a kid who wants to drive to school and park somewhere that isn't illegal, then I'm going to raise hell if they punish him for it.

BTW, I have a *real* job and I attend college as well. In fact, I work as a manager, so I'm aware of what rules are for.

 

[wetcat007]

Originally posted by: bignateyk

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
This happened at a high school I attended for half a year north of Seattle. It was a nice school. The only problem was that the assistant principal punished students for parking on public residential streets instead of in the school parking lot. Is he allowed to do this?

yes. Students werent allowed to park within a 1 mile radius of our high school, and they enforced it very strictly.

What if you lived within 1 miles of the high school and your car was parked at your residence.....

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Amused
I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

And I'll lay it out for you again. I'm not disputing the fact that it's the rules and you have to follow them. I'm disputing the merit of the rules. It should either be against the law to park on certain residential streets FOR EVERYONE, or not. This is clearly not the case. Only students were being punished...and it was by the school. Which makes it clear that this was not a city law, or else you couldn't enforce it on just one group of people. Instead, this was a school rule, which leads me to wonder why the school principal would make it his business where students were parking. A school isn't the same as a business. School is owned by the parents that send their children there...and if I ever have a kid who wants to drive to school and park somewhere that isn't illegal, then I'm going to raise hell if they punish him for it.

BTW, I have a *real* job and I attend college as well. In fact, I work as a manager, so I'm aware of what rules are for.

you don't get it do you?

hahah man you really have a lot to learn about the real world.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Amused

And this is why I responded to you the way I did.

The school has rules. Follow them or face the consequences. It really is that simple.

It has nothing to do with age discrimination. It has to do with controlling what the students do. It's that, or "No Parking" signs go up in all the neighborhoods. And guess what? That not only restricts the students, it restricts the residents.

I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

It's not really that simple. The school's power is limited, and there are set limits to its juristiction. A school cannot make a rule that is unlawful.

Is the school's action legally valid? If so, they can keep on doing it. If not, it's only a lawsuit away from being shot down.

 

[Kelemvor]

THe school has no authority to set rules to govern property that doesn't belong to the school. THe school can ASK that you don't park within so many feet but the school has no jurisdiction over city streets. The school can work with the police to actually pass an ordinance that would actually be enforceable but the school can't do anything on their own.

 

[Juno]

that's really common at my high school. a lot of students were parking in the public streets because the parking lot was full.

right now, town police is not ticketing any cars in the public streets near high school because high school is currently under renovation which wiped out the parking lot. :Q

 

[montanafan]

You're still not getting it.

It's not about your age.
It's not about you having a driver's license.
It's not about the city's laws.
It's not even about punishing you in any way.

It's about you being a student at that school and the school having the right to set the rules for the students at that school. That's it, PERIOD.

You do not have a RIGHT to drive your car to school if transportation is being provided for you by the school system. You have the privilege of being allowed to drive to school if you follow the rules for drivers that the school sets.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Not sure how this is punishable. If you are allowed to walk to school, how can parking i nteh street and walking into the building be considered wrong?

 

[GeekDrew]

Meh, if it's the community that forced the school to do that, then I'd honor it. If it wasn't the community that forced the school to do that, ask if the community will help fight the school. Around here, whenever some schools try to institute rules such as that, the community (as a majority, meaning they actually circulated petitions and nominated a representative) files a protest with the school board, and threatens to take them to court. Thus far, the school board has settled every complaint outside of court (no compromising was involved, the community wins, every time).

 

[2Xtreme21]

My question is how does the school know if a given car that is parked on the street is a student car or not? I mean unless they have people out there watching students get in their cars, which seems like a waste of time, I can't see how they'd know.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Amused

And this is why I responded to you the way I did.

The school has rules. Follow them or face the consequences. It really is that simple.

It has nothing to do with age discrimination. It has to do with controlling what the students do. It's that, or "No Parking" signs go up in all the neighborhoods. And guess what? That not only restricts the students, it restricts the residents.

I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

It's not really that simple. The school's power is limited, and there are set limits to its juristiction. A school cannot make a rule that is unlawful.

Is the school's action legally valid? If so, they can keep on doing it. If not, it's only a lawsuit away from being shot down.

The school is a city/state agency. The city/state controls street parking and can limit parking as it pleases.

It really is that simple.

Student parking on side streets is a HUGE problem in many school districts. Just google "school parking rules" to see thousands of relevant hits.

Limiting student parking only is MUCH better than making the streets no parking zones for everyone. That would screw the residents. Why should they suffer for the school and students who cannot follow rules?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
My question is how does the school know if a given car that is parked on the street is a student car or not? I mean unless they have people out there watching students get in their cars, which seems like a waste of time, I can't see how they'd know.

The high school probably requires students to have permit stickers on their cars to drive to school and/or has student license plates on file.

 

[Kntx]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
My question is how does the school know if a given car that is parked on the street is a student car or not? I mean unless they have people out there watching students get in their cars, which seems like a waste of time, I can't see how they'd know.

The high school probably requires students to have permit stickers on their cars to drive to school and/or has student license plates on file.

I think schools should worry more about educating children than where students are parking. Open the campuses, cut the fat.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
My question is how does the school know if a given car that is parked on the street is a student car or not? I mean unless they have people out there watching students get in their cars, which seems like a waste of time, I can't see how they'd know.

The high school probably requires students to have permit stickers on their cars to drive to school and/or has student license plates on file.

I think schools should worry more about educating children than where students are parking. Open the campuses, cut the fat.

And then the neighboring residents get pissed off and no parking signs go up. Later, when ever the school wants to expand or do anything new, the residents sign a petition to stop it.

Lesson: Don't piss off your neighbors by being a nuisance.

 

[slimrhcp]

As soon as a person is on school property, they must consent to the school's regulations. For example, even if a student is 18, they can't carry tobacco products. That's reasonable. Or when out of school activities affect the in-school environment, like fights over the weekend. As soon as a student walks into a public school, they're giving up some of their civil rights. Metal detectors are reasonable as well; they keep high risk schools safer. I always thought it was ridiculous when someone would get busted for having drugs in their locker, then think the school invaded their privacy by searching the locker. But for benign scenarios like parking on a public street around school, that's setting up a slippery slope legally that I don't think many courts would enforce.

 

[Looney]

We had the same rules at ALL the schools i attended (high schools).

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: Amused
I'll lay it out for you again: Get used to following rules. If you think the rules in school are tough, wait until you get a real job.

And I'll lay it out for you again. I'm not disputing the fact that it's the rules and you have to follow them. I'm disputing the merit of the rules. It should either be against the law to park on certain residential streets FOR EVERYONE, or not. This is clearly not the case. Only students were being punished...and it was by the school. Which makes it clear that this was not a city law, or else you couldn't enforce it on just one group of people. Instead, this was a school rule, which leads me to wonder why the school principal would make it his business where students were parking. A school isn't the same as a business. School is owned by the parents that send their children there...and if I ever have a kid who wants to drive to school and park somewhere that isn't illegal, then I'm going to raise hell if they punish him for it.

BTW, I have a *real* job and I attend college as well. In fact, I work as a manager, so I'm aware of what rules are for.

you don't get it do you?

hahah man you really have a lot to learn about the real world.

haha hows is not liking an arbitrary and maybe illegal school rule have anything to do with the real world.

 

[Amused]

People:

Google "school parking rules." There are thousands of relevant hits limiting where students can park off campus during school hours.

Smack down: Look up "arbitary."

"Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle"

I can guarantee this was not done on impulse or whim, and was definately done by necessity and with complete reason. The school is trying to keep from pissing off neighboring property owners.

 

[ArJuN]

Wow...that blows. My high school has parking for all of the seniors. And for the juniors that can drive, they just park infront of the houses next to the school. Some neighbors even let them use their driveways.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: Amused
People:

Google "school parking rules." There are thousands of relevant hits limiting where students can park off campus during school hours.

Smack down: Look up "arbitary."

"Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle"

I can guarantee this was not done on impulse or whim, and was definately done by necessity and with complete reason. The school is trying to keep from pissing off neighboring property owners.

Did you fail at using a dictionary or something?
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/arbitrary

1 : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law <the manner of punishment is arbitrary>
2 a : not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority <an arbitrary government> b : marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power <protection from arbitrary arrest and detention>
3 a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something <an arbitrary standard> <take any arbitrary positive number> <arbitrary division of historical studies into watertight compartments -- A. J. Toynbee> b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will <when a task is not seen in a meaningful context it is experienced as being arbitrary -- Nehemiah Jordan>

See one and note that this policy wasn't fixed by law, in fact the law allows the students to park on the street.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: Amused
People:

Google "school parking rules." There are thousands of relevant hits limiting where students can park off campus during school hours.

Smack down: Look up "arbitary."

"Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle"

I can guarantee this was not done on impulse or whim, and was definately done by necessity and with complete reason. The school is trying to keep from pissing off neighboring property owners.

Did you fail at using a dictionary or something?
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/arbitrary

1 : depending on individual discretion (as of a judge) and not fixed by law <the manner of punishment is arbitrary>
2 a : not restrained or limited in the exercise of power : ruling by absolute authority <an arbitrary government> b : marked by or resulting from the unrestrained and often tyrannical exercise of power <protection from arbitrary arrest and detention>
3 a : based on or determined by individual preference or convenience rather than by necessity or the intrinsic nature of something <an arbitrary standard> <take any arbitrary positive number> <arbitrary division of historical studies into watertight compartments -- A. J. Toynbee> b : existing or coming about seemingly at random or by chance or as a capricious and unreasonable act of will <when a task is not seen in a meaningful context it is experienced as being arbitrary -- Nehemiah Jordan>

See one and note that this policy wasn't fixed by law, in fact the law allows the students to park on the street.

The law allows the students to do many things the school restricts during school hours.

Are you going to make as big a fool of yourself in this thread as you did in the airplane on a treadmill thread?

 

[MrPickins]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Kntx

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
My question is how does the school know if a given car that is parked on the street is a student car or not? I mean unless they have people out there watching students get in their cars, which seems like a waste of time, I can't see how they'd know.

The high school probably requires students to have permit stickers on their cars to drive to school and/or has student license plates on file.

I think schools should worry more about educating children than where students are parking. Open the campuses, cut the fat.

And then the neighboring residents get pissed off and no parking signs go up. Later, when ever the school wants to expand or do anything new, the residents sign a petition to stop it.

Lesson: Don't piss off your neighbors by being a nuisance.

In that situation, the neighbors should bring it to the attention of the city council, and have an ordinance passed. It is not the school's responsibility to make that decision.

And as for not having the right to drive to school, I was under the impression that a valid license gave the right to drive on any public road...