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HS Basketball flagrant foul no-calls goes viral

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PowerEngineer said:
It's blantantly obvious that #34 is out there to just knock players down. He's not even trying to play within the rules (or worried about possibly injuring other players). His coach should have immediately benched him (and his partner) as soon as his "play" showed such callous disregard for the safety of the other players.
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Bench him? His coach probably put him in the game to do that stuff.

Refs couldn't probably care less, they get paid like $25 bucks a game.
 
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This is the reason that the NCAA has gotten rid of the intentional foul and replaced it with flagrant 1 and flagrant 2. As far as I'm concerned, the refs of this game should be fired as the team in white obviously was trying to foul, and in several cases, hurt somebody. Several players should be suspended by the high school athletic association for that shit, period.
 
tfinch2 said:
Bench him? His coach probably put him in the game to do that stuff.
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That's certainly a sad possibility. The school should certainly be concerned enough to investigate, and if it is found to be true then that coach should be fired.

As my earlier post suggests, I hold the team coaches more responsibile for the way that their teams play than the referees.
 
not sure how anyone watches this and doesn't think at least 3 of those were not flagrant fouls

It's viral in the area that HS is in - not the world - just because it doesn't have a bajillion hits doesn't mean it didn't cause a stir somewhere
 
Most of those fouls were either hard fouls, clumsy fouls, or lazy, stupid fouls. #5, though, was straight-up flagrant. Cumulatively, that guy should have been tossed from the game.

He (#34) needs better coaching, and maybe better parenting.

If I'm the coach of those kids getting butchered, I'm in that other coach's face after the game, if not during.
 
Alright, now you made me waste 5 minutes of my life watching that again.

#1) The ogre basically takes a swing at the opposing player.

#2) Ogre's buddy throws the opposing player out of bounds with 2 hands. Try that at the gym at your own risk, but it has no place in organized ball.

#3) Are you kidding me? The ogre loses his ogre-jock on a fake and clubs the other player on the head. This is almost as bad as the clothesline.

#4) Ogre's buttbuddy shoves an an opposing player into another one with no attempt to play the ball. The only intent was to take out 2 opposing players.

#5) no explantion necessary. Should have been an immediate ejection and subsequent suspension.
 
Anyone who doubts these are flagrant knows shit about basketball, has never played on a basketball team and are showing their ignorance.
 
Vic Vega said:
Anyone who doubts these are flagrant knows shit about basketball, has never played on a basketball team and are showing their ignorance.
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Meh. I play basketball weekly, watch it almost daily, and have followed it for years. The only one that was really obvious was the 5th one. And a lot of that is more of a function of physics from what happens when somebody who is a 140 pounds runs into a guy who is pushing 250. Bad stuff happens when there is a weight disparity. And the lighter guy usually loses.

The rest of them were just fouls. Most of them of them stupid, but they are still fouls. The fouling team will go into penalty and the other team will be able to capitalize on it.

I'm 6' tall. If I'm guarding a guy who is 5'5" and he is driving to the lane, simply sticking my arm straight out I'm at his head level. I'm not intending to do it, but there are just things that happen with height and weight disparities.

I'm not that heavy of a guy, at only 170 pounds and 6' tall I'm pretty lankly. There are guys I play against who are in the 250+ pound range. I *KNOW* I'm going to get beat the fuck up if I try drive the lane against them. It's not intentional, it's just what happens with that kind of size difference.
 
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Meh. I play basketball weekly, watch it almost daily, and have followed it for years. The only one that was really obvious was the 5th one. And a lot of that is more of a function of physics from what happens when somebody who is a 140 pounds runs into a guy who is pushing 250. Bad stuff happens when there is a weight disparity. And the lighter guy usually loses.

The rest of them were just fouls. Most of them of them stupid, but they are still fouls. The fouling team will go into penalty and the other team will be able to capitalize on it.

I'm 6' tall. If I'm guarding a guy who is 5'5" and he is driving to the lane, simply sticking my arm straight out I'm at his head level. I'm not intending to do it, but there are just things that happen with height and weight disparities.

I'm not that heavy of a guy, at only 170 pounds and 6' tall I'm pretty lankly. There are guys I play against who are in the 250+ pound range. I *KNOW* I'm going to get beat the fuck up if I try drive the lane against them. It's not intentional, it's just what happens with that kind of size difference.
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Played from 4th grade through the end of my schooling - teams, not pickup - then I refereed for a while. I've seen a game or two...

You're in denial if you can't see these are flagrant - the intention of the player before and after through body language is apparent, readily. The actual hits are not going after the ball - not one of them. Watch again.

If you drive the lane and are getting "beat the fuck up" in a regulation game, then the ref isn't doing his job. This isn't pick up ball. This isn't 21. Both of which I have more hours playing than I do working most likely, and I'm an older fart.
 
Vic Vega said:
You're in denial if you can't see these are flagrant - the intention of the player before and after through body language is apparent, readily. The actual hits are not going after the ball - not one of them. Watch again.
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We'll agree to disagree. The first two are just shitty defense by bad players. The only one I felt a bit of physical intent on was the 5th, and I do believe that it would have had a fraction of the result if the two players were more similar in size.

There are plays in every single game where the person committing the foul "intended" them. But usually the intent is preventing a shot..if you are going to foul, make sure the shot doesn't go in or that somebody doesn't get on a loose ball and you can recover on defense. Otherwise it's a wasted foul. It's not malicious to cause physical harm.
 
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How can some of you give those clowns the benefit of the doubt by saying their actions were the result of "laziness" or "poor play"? They don't deserve that and haven't earned it.

Refs have to take a hard-line stance on that sort of crap.
 
vi edit said:
We'll agree to disagree. The first two are just shitty defense by bad players. The only one I felt a bit of physical intent on was the 5th, and I do believe that it would have had a fraction of the result if the two players were more similar in size.
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So you think #3 was ok?
 
this is why I can't get into basketball - too many stoppages and free throws - how exciting. I mean, you try and cram 5 tall guys into a small area in the paint and well... what do you expect will happen? It's just inherently flawed. If there's fouls, at least do something more interesting than free throws.
 
rh71 said:
this is why I can't get into basketball - too many stoppages and free throws - how exciting. I mean, you try and cram 5 tall guys into a small area in the paint and well... what do you expect will happen? It's just inherently flawed. If there's fouls, at least do something more interesting than free throws.
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I've always wanted to implement a penalty box type of rule on fouls in basketball. It would certainly make these types of plays more of a "team" penalty if you have a power play of 4 on 5 for two minutes.
 
The parent is trying to show a pattern. A personality. A systemic problem. I think that's easy to see.

This is really a coaching and reffing problem though. That one kid in particular has no business being on the court. Either the coach or the refs should have thrown him out.
 
In the Army, we used to play "combat basketball", which was kind of like football...

That video sort of reminds me of it...
 
vi edit said:
Meh. I play basketball weekly, watch it almost daily, and have followed it for years. The only one that was really obvious was the 5th one. And a lot of that is more of a function of physics from what happens when somebody who is a 140 pounds runs into a guy who is pushing 250. Bad stuff happens when there is a weight disparity. And the lighter guy usually loses.

The rest of them were just fouls. Most of them of them stupid, but they are still fouls. The fouling team will go into penalty and the other team will be able to capitalize on it.

I'm 6' tall. If I'm guarding a guy who is 5'5" and he is driving to the lane, simply sticking my arm straight out I'm at his head level. I'm not intending to do it, but there are just things that happen with height and weight disparities.

I'm not that heavy of a guy, at only 170 pounds and 6' tall I'm pretty lankly. There are guys I play against who are in the 250+ pound range. I *KNOW* I'm going to get beat the fuck up if I try drive the lane against them. It's not intentional, it's just what happens with that kind of size difference.
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lol are you serious? you think all he did was "simply stick his arm straight out at his head level" and that's it?
 
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