HR 45: Blair Holt's Firearm Act

[Proprioceptive]

Check this out and decide for yourself. As a handgun owner... heck, I own several firearms... I find this pretty extreme. Particularly the stipulations regarding child access.... link

Yep, another hot topic. Discuss.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

 

[dainthomas]

DEY TOOK ERR GUUUUNNNS!!!!! :|

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

Well, yeah... that's obvious if you read about it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

Well, yeah... that's obvious if you read about it.

So I mean, what's the point? A lot of House resolutions are basically the legislative equivalent of the crazy on the corner in the sandwich board screaming about UFO's. (there's a great website somewhere that catalogs all the crazy shit that has been introduced)

I just don't see how someone proposing bill that has very little chance of becoming a law really warrants much. If it makes it out of markup in the committee intact like this, maybe passes one of the chambers of Congress, then I totally see getting worked up about it. Otherwise it just seems like a waste of time.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

Well, yeah... that's obvious if you read about it.

So I mean, what's the point? A lot of House resolutions are basically the legislative equivalent of the crazy on the corner in the sandwich board screaming about UFO's. (there's a great website somewhere that catalogs all the crazy shit that has been introduced)

I just don't see how someone proposing bill that has very little chance of becoming a law really warrants much. If it makes it out of markup in the committee intact like this, maybe passes one of the chambers of Congress, then I totally see getting worked up about it. Otherwise it just seems like a waste of time.

I don't believe it's necessarily a "waste of time". It's better to make these things known to the general voting citizen before Congress can necessarily sneak something in as part of something bigger. I'm not at all saying this is the ultimate goal of Congress, but I just thought it was something interesting that could be discussed and I think everyone should know what is going on in their government whether they agree with it or not.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

Well, yeah... that's obvious if you read about it.

So I mean, what's the point? A lot of House resolutions are basically the legislative equivalent of the crazy on the corner in the sandwich board screaming about UFO's. (there's a great website somewhere that catalogs all the crazy shit that has been introduced)

I just don't see how someone proposing bill that has very little chance of becoming a law really warrants much. If it makes it out of markup in the committee intact like this, maybe passes one of the chambers of Congress, then I totally see getting worked up about it. Otherwise it just seems like a waste of time.

What he said. This one comes up every session and never goes anywhere.

There are tons of goofball legislation that is proposed that doesn't make it out of committee.

 

[fskimospy]

Fair enough. People in here just tend to get worked up about things without really knowing much about them or their likelihood of becoming reality, that's why I said something.

 

[Proprioceptive]

Yeah, I agree. Like I believe Congress should do, we should all read and research what our government introduces before we form opinions about it.

 

[bamacre]

Introduced Jan 6, 2009
(no cosponsors)

This bill is seeing less action than your average ATOT'er on a Saturday night.

 

[halik]

I don't really have a problem with having a license for firearms, but the 2 other points are very, very vague. I don't see why the AG needs to know when I change my address and this:


?(A) that person--

?(i) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child is capable of gaining access to the firearm; and

?(ii) either--

?(I) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child will use the firearm to cause the death of, or serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of this title) to, the child or any other person; or

?(II) knows, or reasonably should know, that possession of the firearm by a child is unlawful under Federal or State law; and


is incredibly vague. If a minor breaks into my house and shoot him/herself, I could be held liable.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Introduced Jan 6, 2009
(no cosponsors)

This bill is seeing less action than your average ATOT'er on a Saturday night.

Heh golf clap for your eloquence

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Check this out and decide for yourself. As a handgun owner... heck, I own several firearms... I find this pretty extreme. Particularly the stipulations regarding child access.... link

Yep, another hot topic. Discuss.

more fear mongering......how pathetic

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Check this out and decide for yourself. As a handgun owner... heck, I own several firearms... I find this pretty extreme. Particularly the stipulations regarding child access.... link

Yep, another hot topic. Discuss.

more fear mongering......how pathetic

Care to explain?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: bamacre
Introduced Jan 6, 2009
(no cosponsors)

This bill is seeing less action than your average ATOT'er on a Saturday night.

IIRC this same bill has been introduced every year since 2007 by Illinois Representative Bobby Rush. It's a publicity stunt so that he can claim to be trying to do something. The bill dies in committee every year.

ZV

 

[Triumph]

I'm fine with this. As long as we require a license for someone to publish their opinion. No license = shut your mouth.

 

[OCGuy]

Charles Rangle also introduces a bill every year to re-instate the draft.

The (D) leadership has made it pretty clear that this is not the time to go after our 2nd amendment freedoms.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Charles Rangle also introduces a bill every year to re-instate the draft.

The (D) leadership has made it pretty clear that this is not the time to go after our 2nd amendment freedoms.

IMO there is no good time for that if they want to win.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive
Check this out and decide for yourself. As a handgun owner... heck, I own several firearms... I find this pretty extreme. Particularly the stipulations regarding child access.... link

Yep, another hot topic. Discuss.

Discuss? OK. You're barking at the moon again.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Triumph
I'm fine with this. As long as we require a license for someone to publish their opinion. No license = shut your mouth.

I like this idea, BUT, I think it needs to be more broadly defined, in that I think we need to have licenses that relate to each Amendment in the Constitution. Want to plead the 5th if you ever go on trial, you better have a license, otherwise you'll have to confess.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: halik
I don't really have a problem with having a license for firearms, but the 2 other points are very, very vague. I don't see why the AG needs to know when I change my address and this:


?(A) that person--

?(i) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child is capable of gaining access to the firearm; and

?(ii) either--

?(I) knows, or recklessly disregards the risk, that a child will use the firearm to cause the death of, or serious bodily injury (as defined in section 1365 of this title) to, the child or any other person; or

?(II) knows, or reasonably should know, that possession of the firearm by a child is unlawful under Federal or State law; and


is incredibly vague. If a minor breaks into my house and shoot him/herself, I could be held liable.

As Triumph put it, should we have a license to have a right?

 

[smashp]

Originally posted by: OCguy
Charles Rangle also introduces a bill every year to re-instate the draft.

The (D) leadership has made it pretty clear that this is not the time to go after our 2nd amendment freedoms.

The Dems will do nothing over the next 4 years in regards to the 2nd amendment and gun rights/ gun control

Reason, It will make the opposition look even wackier, desperate looking, and will neutralize one of their largest talking points.

In fact, over the last couple months or so, gun prices are actually coming down a bit. The "bubble" seemed to pop a little.

Im glad i sold a couple POS rifles I had back in nov-dec when prices were high.....

I did get an excellent deal on a Mossburg 20 gauge with a couple barrels dirt cheap last week on consignment and the local gun shop though. I guess people are even selling their weapons to get some cash now.

Guns are such a great investment

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Proprioceptive

Originally posted by: eskimospy
It's a House bill that has been referred to a committee. If you want to get worked up about every House bill that is introduced you will be in a state of perpetual outrage. (you should see some of the crazy shit that people come up with). It's nowhere even close to becoming a law.

Well, yeah... that's obvious if you read about it.

So I mean, what's the point? A lot of House resolutions are basically the legislative equivalent of the crazy on the corner in the sandwich board screaming about UFO's. (there's a great website somewhere that catalogs all the crazy shit that has been introduced)

I just don't see how someone proposing bill that has very little chance of becoming a law really warrants much. If it makes it out of markup in the committee intact like this, maybe passes one of the chambers of Congress, then I totally see getting worked up about it. Otherwise it just seems like a waste of time.

Maybe it would help to understand that this has nothing to do with guns. It's all about being emasculated by their Mommies as children. The strap on gun, like any strap on rod, is a sexual aid to help them deal with being femininized as children. Insecurity creates hyper-vigilance.