HR 1 urgently needs to pass through filibuster

[fskimospy]

The best republican response to this is that they'll do really unpopular things the country will hate them for should it be eliminated.

Also that it wasn't used heavily by incredible racists to preserve deeply unfair and harmful policies (very much it was).

I mean the Rs aren't going to win veto proof majorities lol.

The reverse argument is what if the Ds retained congress by passing enormously popular bills, smashing partisan gerrymandering, and adding a state all as a result of nuking the filibuster?

Also as previously mentioned when people warn of republicans repealing the ACA and such, they couldn’t even get 50 votes for that. The filibuster didn’t save shit.

 

[kage69]

Maybe the best way to phrase this is removing the FB can get bills passed the people want. These just happen to be the policies of Democrats.

Exactly.

I expect they'll still have difficulty with that though. We're dealing with people who feel they are entitled to cheat in elections, not to mention supporting insurrection and sedition. These people still think they are some kind of silent majority, even after Traitor Trump lost the popular by almost 8 million. Even when Senate Dems represent 41 million more Americans than Senate Rs.

 

[HomerJS]

Exactly.

I expect they'll still have difficulty with that though. We're dealing with people who feel they are entitled to cheat in elections, not to mention supporting insurrection and sedition. These people still think they are some kind of silent majority, even after Traitor Trump lost the popular by almost 8 million. Even when Senate Dems represent 41 million more Americans than Senate Rs.

Fuck them. Mitch already showed up the way when he stole Obama's SC pick for almost a year and pushed through ACB in 2 weeks.

Do it because we can!

 

[IronWing]

There is a reason why no one wants to remove the filibuster. In the current distribution of the senate, removing filibuster would benefit the Democrats. Just what if the Republicans win the senate in 2022? Without the filibuster the Democrats would be at a total loss.

Mitch cheerfully ditched the filibuster when it was convenient to his donors’ agenda.

 

[trenchfoot]

Fuck them. Mitch already showed up the way when he stole Obama's SC pick for almost a year and pushed through ACB in 2 weeks.

Do it because we can!

The problem we have here is the Repubs demand and expect the rest of us to do as they say and not as they do. It's OK for them to cheat, lie, suppress and do whatever else it takes to "Win at All Costs" but hell hath no fury greater than the Repub's angst over having the same being done to them in return. To them that's just not how the game is supposed to be played.

 

[MrSquished]

Joe Manchin is releasing an op ed about his ideas on voting rights legislation

 

[woolfe9998]

Exactly.

I expect they'll still have difficulty with that though. We're dealing with people who feel they are entitled to cheat in elections, not to mention supporting insurrection and sedition. These people still think they are some kind of silent majority, even after Traitor Trump lost the popular by almost 8 million. Even when Senate Dems represent 41 million more Americans than Senate Rs.

Your argument here assumes that core Trump supporters are the objects of persuasion. They are not. The people who need convincing are the swing voters. Such as the Hispanic voters who went from Clinton->Trump or the educated white suburbanites who went Trump->Biden.

There is no point in trying to persuade the GOP base of anything. The dems could give them literally everything they want wrapped in a bow and they'd complain about the color of the bow.

 

[fskimospy]

Your argument here assumes that core Trump supporters are the objects of persuasion. They are not. The people who need convincing are the swing voters. Such as the Hispanic voters who went from Clinton->Trump or the educated white suburbanites who went Trump->Biden.

There is no point in trying to persuade the GOP base of anything. The dems could give them literally everything they want wrapped in a bow and they'd complain about the color of the bow.

I feel like America is eventually going to have a very ugly reckoning with these individuals. I expect before it's all over they are going to make a very serious attempt at overthrowing our democracy. No idea if it will succeed or not, but they are going to try.

 

[Paratus]

I feel like America is eventually going to have a very ugly reckoning with these individuals. I expect before it's all over they are going to make a very serious attempt at overthrowing our democracy. No idea if it will succeed or not, but they are going to try.

Try again you mean.

 

[K1052]

Joe Manchin is releasing an op ed about his ideas on voting rights legislation

1) Manchin will probably generally support the legislation, with some changes (it does need a few). He will stress bipartisan cooperation.
2) Some changes will be made and he'll have outstretched his olive branch to Rs.
3) Rs will shit all over him and the bill publicly for days and weeks for his trouble.
4) Bipartisan outreach having been concluded he will consent to weakening the filibuster.

Personally I'd like to see the HR1 components refined and broken up in to distinct bills and made as bullet proof as possible from legal challenge. Partisan gerrymandering and voting access should top the list since those are the most popular items.

 

[ewdotson]

Look guys, if we don't let ourselves get screwed over the by the GOP right now, we might get screwed over by the GOP in the future. That's just science.

 

[Amol S.]

The only way to get Hispanic voters back is to explain the difference between socialism and Democrats to them. That was the main reason why Florida ended up going to Trump. He told the Hispanics in Florida that the Democrats are "Socialists", who are trying to convert the U.S. into U.S.S.R. (United States Socialist Republic).

The problem is, how are the Democrats going to explain to the Hispanics that Democrats are not Socialists.

 

[fskimospy]

The only way to get Hispanic voters back is to explain the difference between socialism and Democrats to them. That was the main reason why Florida ended up going to Trump. He told the Hispanics in Florida that the Democrats are "Socialists", who are trying to convert the U.S. into U.S.S.R. (United States Socialist Republic).

The problem is, how are the Democrats going to explain to the Hispanics that Democrats are not Socialists.

Hispanics are not a cohesive voting group and don't share a common ancestry. Lots of Hispanic voters want way more socialism and would be delighted to hear that Democrats are socialists.

 

[thilanliyan]

He told the Hispanics in Florida that the Democrats are "Socialists", who are trying to convert the U.S. into U.S.S.R. (United States Socialist Republic).

I'm really not sure how they fell for that. The US will NEVER become like the USSR, private entities have way too much power.

 

[K1052]

I'm really not sure how they fell for that. The US will NEVER become like the USSR, private entities have way too much power.

Tell FL Cuban and Venezuelan voters that Biden is basically Casto or Chavez: votes in the bag. Also Trump's harsh anti-Mexican and Central American immigration policies were favored by those groups who see themselves as rightful recipients of policy favor instead of lucky by historical quirks. They'd probably vote to shoot all the Mexicans in the country if they could.

 

[MrSquished]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1374710800586313730

 

[kage69]

Your argument here assumes that core Trump supporters are the objects of persuasion.

You misunderstand, and it's probably my fault. While in agreement with Homer, I was directing that at a poster I am unfamiliar with and was referencing trumpets as a 3rd party. I don't know that he/she is a trumpet. Could be just a swing voter who doesn't go out of their way to get informed and who has more tolerance for corruption and treason than we do.

Persuasion? Trump supporters are objects of prostitution, they sold out their country, morals and dignity to get behind a pornstar banging traitor and conman. My view on the Trump base is unchanged: thankfully not big enough to win elections, and they should also fuck off to Russia since they hate democracy.

 

[trenchfoot]

Problem here is that many Repubs have convinced themselves that they and only they are the "Real Americans, the genuine article, the true patriots and protectors of all that is holy" and everyone else must be illegal immigrants, commies, satan worshippers or enemies conspiring to overthrow the America as they see it as.

The one thing that needs to be kept in mind is that Trump, being who he has proven to be over those four horrific years of his term has a following of 70+ millions of whom have not only completely ignored those glaring personality disorders of his and the disastrous results those disorders brought upon the nation, they've also had to fabricate excuses for Trump's nefarious behavior as well as conjure up unbelievable conspiracies against Biden and the Dems so as to justify their putting party over country.

For lack of legislating anything meaningful for the masses, the party has had to resort to committing dirty deeds done dirt cheap with the full approval of their rank and file members. IOW, their working class members have chosen to sacrifice themselves at the alter of the wealthy in order to remain faithful to a party that exploits them for everything they've got.

That's one hell of a scam their leadership have managed to pull over on them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Tell FL Cuban and Venezuelan voters that Biden is basically Casto or Chavez: votes in the bag. Also Trump's harsh anti-Mexican and Central American immigration policies were favored by those groups who see themselves as rightful recipients of policy favor instead of lucky by historical quirks. They'd probably vote to shoot all the Mexicans in the country if they could.

So what? Cuban and Venezuelan Americans aren't much of a political force outside a very few areas simply because their numbers are actually quite small compared to the overall population. There are 24M people in Florida and less than 2M are of Cuban descent.

Cuban Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Venezuelan Americans are even more scarce. Mexican Americans are by far the largest group of Hispanics in the US-

Mexican Americans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hal2kilo]

Hispanics are not a cohesive voting group and don't share a common ancestry. Lots of Hispanic voters want way more socialism and would be delighted to hear that Democrats are socialists.

It's mostly Florida's special immigrant class.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1375193560031490048

Republicans in the Missouri legislature don't think the people who voted to expand Medicare count so they're just not going to do it.

This is what's coming down the road at us in the next couple election cycles.

 

[cytg111]

That sounds like pitchfork time ...

 

[MrSquished]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1375193560031490048

Republicans in the Missouri legislature don't think the people who voted to expand Medicare count so they're just not going to do it.

This is what's coming down the road at us in the next couple election cycles.

This, voting suppression, trying to overthrow an election. If your friends don't know it yet, let them know, the GOP and all who support it are evil or complicit in evil.

 

[HomerJS]

Fuck those racist Republicans. We have to get HR-1 passed ASAP. Wind is at the back of curtailing or ending the filibuster.
Georgia Gov. Kemp signs bill imposing voting restrictions (cnn.com)

 

[woolfe9998]

Yep, another reason HR1 must pass. The repugs will likely hold off the tipping point in several states for at least a decade if allowed to continue with these voter suppression bills and gerrymandering.

Analysis: Why Republican voter restrictions are a race against time

With their drive to erect new obstacles to voting, particularly across the Sun Belt, Republicans are stacking sandbags against a rising tide of demographic change.

www.cnn.com