HP ZR24w - up on HP.com

[GaryS]

$20 at Monoprice. At this price everyone should have one.

Thanks for the tip. I just ordered one. I've purchased from Monoprice in the past, but had not remembered their inexpensive stands.

I've used the ZR24W for more than a day now, and am pleased. I had to eventually turn the brightness down to 40 % and reduce the contrast a bit, but the images are as good as I've seen. (However, I've never used a really high end monitor, that is, one costing more than $600 or so.)

 

[T2k]

So you obviously favor the U2410 for a little extra money?

Hell yes, no question about it.

As a matter of fact as soon as I get a bigger place in the house for office I'll get two more...

 

[Winterpool]

I expect it's too soon to make definitive claims about the Dell U2410 v the HP ZR24w. The HP is being released at a lower price point, but Dell may move to bring the U2410 much closer (they've already offered coupons below $450). The panel tinting / uniformity issues are caused by LG.Display's crappy production runs, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find uneven ZR24ws as more punters report their results.

Though the publicity lists the ZR24w panel as 'S-IPS', tech specs cite an 'H2-IPS' panel instead, which is supposedly a more energy-efficient H-IPS [shrug]. I've noticed 'S-IPS' is sometimes used very generally to mean any modern IPS...

As to the colour gamuts, many punters would probably prefer a native sRGB display to something wide-gamut, especially if they are concerned exclusively with online and other digital media, rather than editing for print production. That said, the Dell's sRGB mode is supposedly not bad, and the dithering issue has been fixed with rev A01.

Right now I'm leaning towards the Dell U2410 myself, especially if I feel I can get a handle on dealing with the wide gamut through colour profiles. Of course, I dread getting a dodgy panel, but as I said, I rather doubt HP will prove much better in this regard, especially considering their lower price point.

 

[Geordon]

My new HP ZR24W arrived this morning. As soon as I assembled it, I realized that I had made an expensive mistake. The height range is adjustable from "way too high" to "insanely too high". I'm guessing that the minimum height was based upon the pivot feature, which is not of interest to me.

Could you give an actual measurement from the desktop to the bottom edge of the actual screen (not bezel), for those of us who can't convert "way too high" to inches or centimeters?

Thanks.

 

[xboxist]

What do you want to compare?
No offense but it's a cheaper, standard-gamut, entry-level S-IPS panel versus wide-gamut, psuedo-10-bit, mid-tiered H-IPS one in the U2410 - and that's just the panel, there plenty of I/O and extra features in the U2410.

Since U2410 (after calibration) is one of the best screens out there, competing with 3x more expensive high-end ones there's little space for comparison here...

You're awfully narrow-minded when it comes to competition for your precious U2410. I have a feeling that you might sleep with it too.

I got my ZR24w last night, and I'm quite impressed by it. Couldn't be happier. I've used a 2410 as recently as three days ago. Unless you need wide-gamut, or the additional inputs... there is no reason to choose the Dell. The HP looks on par or better (to me). And you don't have to worry about the green/pink panel tints that have become a famous flaw with the 2410. And if your ZR24w is defective, HP swaps it at your house instead of having to deal with god awful Indian Dell support and shipping things back and forth until you're happy.

I can't imagine a better monitor for $425 shipped.

 

[T2k]

You're awfully narrow-minded when it comes to competition for your precious U2410. I have a feeling that you might sleep with it too.

Or perhaps I just know what these words mean...? Where I work we use a lot of different displays, up to Mitsubishi's $6k LaserVue, there's a reason why I stick with my U2410 - for its price it's unbeatable.

I got my ZR24w last night, and I'm quite impressed by it. Couldn't be happier. I've used a 2410 as recently as three days ago. Unless you need wide-gamut, or the additional inputs... there is no reason to choose the Dell.

Right... except the Dell is a pseudo-10-bit panel but never mind...

The HP looks on par or better (to me).

Right off the box, I see... have you calibrated your monitor since?

And you don't have to worry about the green/pink panel tints that have become a famous flaw with the 2410.

Never had a problem, nor any of my friends but as far as I can see you are simply trying to scare people based on hearsay when you obviously never owned any 2410 nor know much about it and you have no idea what percentage of this monitor will get other problems... repeat after me: every monitor has problems, period.

And if your ZR24w is defective, HP swaps it at your house instead of having to deal with god awful Indian Dell support and shipping things back and forth until you're happy.

I called Dell and spoke to someone speaking decent English. They offered me to replace the monitor if it has the initial dithering bug - then I discovered there's a new firmware online so I didn't go with it... what's so different?
BTW if you want them to replace right off the bat tell them your backlight randomly flickers and that's it.

I can't imagine a better monitor for $425 shipped.

It's called U2410 and it is better, at least if we base our judgement on facts instead of hearsay and gut reactions.

Enjoy your great monitor, however, there's nothing wrong with that.

 

[GTaudiophile]

LOL. I think we have a ZR24w vs. U2410 fight brewing!

Sorry, but at $100 cheaper, the HP is the value winner here. More bang for the buck.

 

[T2k]

I expect it's too soon to make definitive claims about the Dell U2410 v the HP ZR24w. The HP is being released at a lower price point, but Dell may move to bring the U2410 much closer (they've already offered coupons below $450). The panel tinting / uniformity issues are caused by LG.Display's crappy production runs, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find uneven ZR24ws as more punters report their results.

Seconded. Based on specs U2410 still superior but the HP could turn out to be the best deal on the market if, say, after calibration it becomes the new 'delta standard' for regular gamut...

Though the publicity lists the ZR24w panel as 'S-IPS', tech specs cite an 'H2-IPS' panel instead, which is supposedly a more energy-efficient H-IPS [shrug]. I've noticed 'S-IPS' is sometimes used very generally to mean any modern IPS...

Only trust HP, he manufacturer, nobody else - and they list S-IPS which is an older tech and IIRC H-IPS pixels are closer..?
Quality-wise the general rule of thumb is that H-IPS is better than S-IPS.

As to the colour gamuts, many punters would probably prefer a native sRGB display to something wide-gamut, especially if they are concerned exclusively with online and other digital media, rather than editing for print production. That said, the Dell's sRGB mode is supposedly not bad, and the dithering issue has been fixed with rev A01.

Gaming is much more fun with wide gamut too..

Right now I'm leaning towards the Dell U2410 myself, especially if I feel I can get a handle on dealing with the wide gamut through colour profiles.

If you use Windows 7 you might want to start here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Change-color-management-settings

Of course, I dread getting a dodgy panel, but as I said, I rather doubt HP will prove much better in this regard, especially considering their lower price point.

Exactly. There are no miracles and HP usually has higher margins than Dell hence the stripped-down specs here.

 

[micechow]

best wishes for you!
btw, i had been HP's hotline technical support engineer, the notebook maybe just so so,but the monitor will be better.

 

[T2k]

best wishes for you!
btw, i had been HP's hotline technical support engineer, the notebook maybe just so so,but the monitor will be better.

Hey, I'm looking at two L2335 here..

 

[Martimus]

Right... except the Dell is a pseudo-10-bit panel but never mind...

The Dell is an 8-bit panel. Wide gamut doesn't make it any closer to a 10-bit panel than a standard gamut 8-bit panel. In fact, many would argue that it makes it closer to a 6-bit panel than a 10-bit panel in sRGB mode (where the vast majority of applications are designed for) since it doesn't have a full 8 bits of range within the sRGB space. Being only 8 bits while being wide gamut makes it worse in most applications than an 8 bit standard gamut monitor, since it has to simulate some of the colors in that space (Around 20% if I remember right). I can't imagine how you could continue to state this as a positive.

 

[xboxist]

You were fortunate enough to get a 2410 unit that you're happy with. But for purposes of guiding people toward a new monitor, I don't see how suggesting the 2410 is a completely wise decision considering the known issues that people have had. Yes, obviously every monitor can and will have issues, but it's just plain foolish to say that the 2410 is not more issue-prone than others. That was reason enough for me to refrain from pulling the trigger on it for many months. For you, that was obviously not a big enough factor.

I stand by my assertion: if you don't specifically need wide-gamut, or the extra connectivity, the HP is the better buy, all things considered. I used my office's Lacie to calibrate and the results are very pleasing. Looks 100% as good as my office's U2410, "pseudo-10-bit panel" or not. But if it's worth an extra $100 for someone to "know" that you're getting a technically superior panel (and the wider gamut, and the extra inputs) then go for it.

 

[T2k]

The Dell is an 8-bit panel. Wide gamut doesn't make it any closer to a 10-bit panel than a standard gamut 8-bit panel. In fact, many would argue that it makes it closer to a 6-bit panel than a 10-bit panel in sRGB mode (where the vast majority of applications are designed for) since it doesn't have a full 8 bits of range within the sRGB space. Being only 8 bits while being wide gamut makes it worse in most applications than an 8 bit standard gamut monitor, since it has to simulate some of the colors in that space (Around 20% if I remember right). I can't imagine how you could continue to state this as a positive.

To sum it up shortly: then "many" don't have a clue about the panel, it seems - it's an 8-bit with A-FRC so it's capable to support 10-bit via DsiplayPort. Any more questions?
Rest of the claims are just downright silly...

 

[T2k]

You were fortunate enough to get a 2410 unit that you're happy with. But for purposes of guiding people toward a new monitor, I don't see how suggesting the 2410 is a completely wise decision considering the known issues that people have had. Yes, obviously every monitor can and will have issues, but it's just plain foolish to say that the 2410 is not more issue-prone than others. That was reason enough for me to refrain from pulling the trigger on it for many months. For you, that was obviously not a big enough factor.

I followed this issue very closely, there's nothing extraordinary here, it's just that this monitor generated much more interest due to its excellent H-IPS panel, 10-bit compatibility etc.

I stand by my assertion: if you don't specifically need wide-gamut, or the extra connectivity, the HP is the better buy, all things considered. I used my office's Lacie to calibrate and the results are very pleasing. Looks 100% as good as my office's U2410, "pseudo-10-bit panel" or not. But if it's worth an extra $100 for someone to "know" that you're getting a technically superior panel (and the wider gamut, and the extra inputs) then go for it.

FYI my U2410's panel is superior in standard gamut too so apart from saving money it's hard to see how would anyone call it for the HP...

PS: trust me, if it would make more sense I'd buy the ZR24w tomorrow, it's really not a brand issue for me (and I could sell my U2410 today for more than I bought because I got a great deal + saved tax.)

 

[Martimus]

To sum it up shortly: then "many" don't have a clue about the panel, it seems - it's an 8-bit with A-FRC so it's capable to support 10-bit via DsiplayPort. Any more questions?
Rest of the claims are just downright silly...

Sorry for the initial comment. I was upset about something else when I saw your response, and didn't want to continue this silly argument.

A-FRC does not turn this monitor into a 10 bit panel. It is still 8 bits, it just uses interpolation for the rest of the colors. The fact that this monitor uses FRC (frame rate control) for color ranging in the standard gamut range makes it worse for standard gamut applications than panels that are able to fit the entire range of colors into that color range. What this setup does is make this a better monitor for the wide gamut range than a standard gamut panel, but it makes it worse for standard gamut (about equivalent to a TN panel in color reproduction in the standard gamut range). So if you need an 8-bit panel that covers the NTSC standard color range, then the U2410 is for you. If you need an 8-bit panel that covers the sRGB color range, then the HP ZR24w is for you. The fact that you say the U2410 is better in standard gamut range is laughable.

 

[T2k]

Sorry for the initial comment. I was upset about something else when I saw your response, and didn't want to continue this silly argument.

A-FRC does not turn this monitor into a 10 bit panel. It is still 8 bits, it just uses interpolation for the rest of the colors. The fact that this monitor uses FRC (frame rate control) for color ranging in the standard gamut range makes it worse for standard gamut applications than panels that are able to fit the entire range of colors into that color range. What this setup does is make this a better monitor for the wide gamut range than a standard gamut panel, but it makes it worse for standard gamut (about equivalent to a TN panel in color reproduction in the standard gamut range). So if you need an 8-bit panel that covers the NTSC standard color range, then the U2410 is for you. If you need an 8-bit panel that covers the sRGB color range, then the HP ZR24w is for you. The fact that you say the U2410 is better in standard gamut range is laughable.

Before we get into this deeper and I show you who's posts are laughable here etc do you realize it's the same panel Eizo uses in CG243W
and SX2462W?

 

[Martimus]

Before we get into this deeper and I show you who's posts are laughable here etc do you realize it's the same panel Eizo uses in CG243W
and SX2462W?

It is also the same panel HP uses in the ZR24w, just look at the part number. I am wondering where you are trying to go with this argument.

EDIT: I didn't have time to look up my source for this, so I will have to leave it until later. I believe they were the same part number when compairing the two LG panels, although the HP might have been an H2 instead of an H. The rest of the part number was identical.

 

[T2k]

It is also the same panel HP uses in the ZR24w, just look at the part number.

Nice try but link, please.

I am wondering where you are trying to go with this argument.

Perhaps to prove how "laughable" is to paint U2410's panel as inherently inferior in sRGB...?
Of course, there's a slight possibility you are just confusing how the pseudo-10-bit mode - something HP will never do - work, namely 8-bit + dithering above?
Either way it clearly shows what's 'laughable' and what isn't... :twisted:

EDIT: I didn't have time to look up my source for this, so I will have to leave it until later. I believe they were the same part number when compairing the two LG panels, although the HP might have been an H2 instead of an H. The rest of the part number was identical.

This is a good one, you gonna love this: there's no H in the name of the panel the U2410 utilizes...

 

[xboxist]

You are irritatingly condescending in your posts. I'm all for a good debate and slinging of opinions but the way in which you conduct this behavior is far too juvenile for me.

 

[T2k]

You are irritatingly condescending in your posts. I'm all for a good debate and slinging of opinions but the way in which you conduct this behavior is far too juvenile for me.

Interesting because to me it seemed that I replied to few questions and apparently you didn't like my facts and started calling me on all sorts of names... then one of my point was called laughable by someone who can't even get panel name and type right.

FYI all I was saying that the U2410 is a better display by its specs - you guys are arguing it's a better deal which is, I think, a subjective term. No condescending tone, at least not here (eg didn't call anyone laughable) and I'm sure it's a great display for its price.

As a matter of fact if I were in the market for one I'd probably pick it up today if I wouldn't want to have an option for wide gamut and 10-bit input.

 

[xboxist]

Interesting because to me it seemed that I replied to few questions and apparently you didn't like my facts and started calling me on all sorts of names... then one of my point was called laughable by someone who can't even get panel name and type right.

I see that this confirms that you're blissfully unaware of the level of douchebaggery that you bring into the tone of your posts. I don't even care that you can 1-up me on "facts." I'm talking about the manner in which you carry yourself (which stems back months, not just today.) Things like when I come on here and say "hey - I've used both monitors, and I can tell you that this HP is excellent and a real contender to the U2410." And then you fire back with something that boils down to, "you're wrong - the U2410 is simply better. You don't know what you're talking about, idiot."

No one has time for that shit. So enjoy your forum life buddy, I'm done with you.

 

[Martimus]

I don't even care that you can 1-up me on "facts."

I wouldn't go so far as to say he has posted any facts. He hasn't substantiated any of his assertions. I just hope no-one has actually listened to him and wasted their money based on his strawman arguments.

T2K, you may be right that the panels aren't the same. I think I found the listing of panels that I remembered reading, but it doesn't include the ZR24w (not sure why I thought it did).

Philips 240PW9EB ............ LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4) panel
HP LP2475w ................... LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4-SLA1)
Dell U2410 ...................... LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU4-SLB1)
HP LP2480zx ................... LG.Display H-IPS (LM240WU5) w/A-TW
(http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1035502137&postcount=302)

You have yet to explain why you believe that a monitor that outputs fewer colors in the standard gamut range has better color reproduction in that range.

 

[*kjm]

Could you give an actual measurement from the desktop to the bottom edge of the actual screen (not bezel), for those of us who can't convert "way too high" to inches or centimeters?

Thanks.

Sorry just saw your post... mine is at 3".

 

[Geordon]

Sorry just saw your post... mine is at 3".

Thanks. My current 22" widescreen is at 3.5" from the base, so that is already lower than mine. However, I have it on a few books to raise the bottom edge of the screen to 8", so I should be fine. My zr24w should arrive on the 14 from buy.com (ordered from Amazon.com).

 

[imaheadcase]

Will anyone here be able to do a direct U2410 comparison?

Buy me one and I will, I have two U2410.

As for the "issues" with the U2410, Like another poster said, i've never seen it, nor have a couple dozen people I work with have seen it. We bought 23 total, the only one we had to return was because of shipping damage.