HOWTO - GENTOO 2005.1 Installation Script/Walk-Through.

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GENTOO 2005.1 INSTALLATION SCRIPT/WALK-THROUGH.

If you are interested in a reasonably well written set of 3 short scripts to help you through the installation of Gentoo 2005.1, visit the site:

http://linux.coconia.net/

I would be interested in any errors that anyone may find.
 
Nothinman

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I thought the Gentoo documentation was one of the main reasons that people used it, so why go through the trouble of rewriting/automating it?
 
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"I thought the Gentoo documentation was one of the main reasons that people used it"

Just think of the scripts as extra documentation.

"Meh, I'd rather install Debian or Ubuntu"

Well, I 'd rather install Mandriva, or SuSE (I even use Win2K, but I find it too hard to use for regular use).
 
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Okay, the bit about posting a thread 9 times is kind of obvious. If you've had a thread deleted 8 times, chances are they aren't going to let you post it a 9th time. You're just spamming. There are a lot of spamming fanboys out there (mainly in 2 camps, gentoo and debian/ubuntu) who think their distro is better, and cause sh1t on the other group's boards. Obviously the ubuntu people thought you were one of them, and banned you after posting 9 threads.

The command didn't change at all. emerge --usepkg is the command. kde and kde-meta are packages. Obviously for some reason (which is probably given in the version docs for the first version of kde-meta), the package name changed.

Deliberately crippling their product? Huh? Yeah, that makes sense. How about maybe they re-write the install docs so often that once in a while a typo occurs?

Furthermore, why did you start a new thread about kde-meta? You had a thread with people willing to help you. Ask in that thread. Someone would probably have given you a one line answer, or a link to the reason. Starting a new thread without searching first is a huge no-no there. That forum is the single best linux resource I have ever come across. Every single problem I've ever had has been solved there for me. I just search for the error message, or a brief topic summary name and there is a big fat "HOWTO: <xxx>" thread followed by a slightly older "Problem with <xxx> - solved!" thread.

The official documentation is (deliberately) wrong in a few places.
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LAFF :D
 
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silverpig -- do you always answer irrelevant questions instead of the real ones.

The REAL question is: Should the thread have been deleted even once?

And, of course, the answer is NO it should not have been.

You see how desperate the Gentoo people were to remove the posts from view -- they hid 8 threads -- rather than have one visible to the public (actually due to the publicity, they let one thread ride, but it was locked and soon disappeared). They were willing to use 8x the disk space in an effort to hide the post, rather than let it be visible to the public. Note it was the Ubuntu people that plain deleted the threads.

And I am sorry, but, emerge --usepkg kde-meta is the command to emerge KDE. You are just plain wrong on this.

"why did you start a new thread about kde-meta? You had a thread with people willing to help you."

Because the thread where the answer was given was on totally different subject. How would anyone learn about the change to kde-meta in a thread called -- "Help me, the fglrx module will not load."

And thanks for having a look at the script.
 
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personally I just read the quick installation howto. I don't need to read about all the extra information that I already know about.

ps: black characters on a green background makes things hard to read
 
silverpig

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Absolutely it should have been. If they don't delete/lock threads asking the exact same question that someone else has already asked and had solved, the forum would be flooded with "help!! ipw2200 won't load!" threads like crazy. One is all that is needed. It is up to the user to search for the information themselves instead of being lazy and just asking. Spend some time on some forums and you'll see. Read the offtopic forum here and watch how many people call out "REPOST!!!" when a second, third, fourth etc thread on a topic has been posted. Take some time to search for yourself.

Furthermore, when people are lazy and don't bother to read the KDE HOWTO, it doesn't go over well when asking the community. Seems to me like the official Gentoo HOWTO is public enough and contains the answer to your question.

Installing KDE >= 3.4

More recent KDE versions (from 3.4 onwards) are presented as a plethora of split ebuilds, making it a tad more difficult to know what to install and what not. Gentoo does provide a few meta packages that will pull in a certain amount of KDE packages for you:

* If you want a full-blown KDE installation, install kde-meta. This package will pull in all KDE applications as dependencies.
* If you want a basic KDE installation, install kdebase-startkde. You can always install additional KDE applications when you want.

These two possibilities are the extreme limits; you are probably interested in a safe mixture of the two :) To make your decision process somewhat easier, the following table gives a short, very incomplete yet useful overview of some of the available KDE packages.
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And to answer your question regarding the different subject: The search function there searches the bodies of threads as well as the titles. Searching for kde-meta in the forums would have brought up your thread. People could have read it and found the answer, provided they didn't bother to read the kde howto.

Seems like a lot of your problems could have been avoided with a simple search.
 
sourceninja

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Gentoo also now has a gui installer. So if you are doing a normal instal, you dont have to do all the work yourself anymore.
 
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Silverpig seems to be some sort of weird apologist for what appears to be a bunch of liars and con-men.

See how he "accidentally" twists the truth.

He has read my Gentoo install, so he knows that it says,...

Some good did come from my persistence, however, as someone added the correct command to the Gentoo KDE installation page the next day. I know this because I saved copies of the page on successive days (just before, and just after, it was added). When last I looked, it had not been added to the installation manual.
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He then goes to the above mentioned KDE page and uses it as evidence that the info on KDE was not hidden

(even though the Gentoo people were so desperate they are to remove the posts from view -- they hide 8 threads -- rather than have one visible to the public)

A Deliberate Lie on his part, or innocent mistake -- you decide.
 
silverpig

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Originally posted by: HardNut
Silverpig seems to be some sort of weird apologist for what appears to be a bunch of liars and con-men.

See how he "accidentally" twists the truth.

He has read my Gentoo install, so he knows that it says,...

Some good did come from my persistence, however, as someone added the correct command to the Gentoo KDE installation page the next day. I know this because I saved copies of the page on successive days (just before, and just after, it was added). When last I looked, it had not been added to the installation manual.
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He then goes to the above mentioned KDE page and uses it as evidence that the info on KDE was not hidden

(even though the Gentoo people were so desperate they are to remove the posts from view -- they hide 8 threads -- rather than have one visible to the public)

A Deliberate Lie on his part, or innocent mistake -- you decide.
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OMG dude you're a riot. Stop and think for a second. Why the hell would they purposely give out wrong information? Just think about it. Why?

They update that manual constantly. There are many references to kde-meta vs kde vs the minimal (startbase kde something...) in the forums. Posting a thread 8 times should give you some hint that the information can be found elsewhere. You had a perfect opportunity to ask in a thread where you had people willing to help you, and instead you chose to re-ask a question in a new thread without first searching for an answer yourself (or just asking in your original thread). You then re-posted the same question 8 TIMES.
 
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i've never found the install instructions for gentoo to be very wrong. it's always been pretty easy to figure out what i needed.
 
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silverpig deliberately "misunderstands" why I posted the thread on KDE, when he says "instead you chose to re-ask a question in a new thread"

Let me make it very clear -- I did not start the new thread to ask any questions at all,...

I STARTED IT TO TELL OTHERS ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE COMMAND THAT INSTALLS KDE.

silverpig is truly an apologist for what appears to be a bunch of liars and con-men.

The Gentoo people were so desperate to remove the posts from view, that they hide 8 threads, using 8 times the disk space, rather than have one visible to the public.
 
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"it's always been pretty easy to figure out what i needed."

How did you figure out the new command to install KDE was "emerge --usepkg kde-meta" instead of "emerge --usepkg kde"
 
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Originally posted by: HardNut
"it's always been pretty easy to figure out what i needed."

How did you figure out the new command to install KDE was "emerge --usepkg kde-meta" instead of "emerge --usepkg kde"
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Well, first of all... --usepkg is for downloading binaries.

Second. If you do an emerge -s kde, you'll probably find the package identifier to be kde-meta, since emerge uses the last portage snapshot downloaded.

I haven't used gentoo in a few years, but this really is not such a big deal. I come across odd names for programs all the time in every distro. That's why you do a "search"...

"apt-cache search kde" brings up multiple results on ubuntu. The package you should install would be "kde-core". Wow! It's not just "kde". Imagine that. Packages and terminology change all the time. Don't fight it.

The real issue at hand, is someone who doesn't fully understand the distribution packaging system. If you thouroughly read full the installtion guide, you will understand portage a lot better.

About your threads being hidden on gentoo forums: I don't know why they would do that nor will I make a guess.
 
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Originally posted by: HardNut
"it's always been pretty easy to figure out what i needed."

How did you figure out the new command to install KDE was "emerge --usepkg kde-meta" instead of "emerge --usepkg kde"
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at the end of the gentoo installation handbook, there is a page that says something about "where to go next". on that page, there is a link to "gentoo desktop documentation resources". on that page, i see the KDE configuration HOWTO, which mentions kde-meta.

for non-trivial installations, i typically look on the gentoo site for a HOWTO. in this case, it seems to provide all that's needed. personally, i don't use KDE though.
 
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"About your threads being hidden on gentoo forums: I don't know why they would do that nor will I make a guess."

And what about the threads being deleted on the Ubuntu forums -- whats the connection?

"i see the KDE configuration HOWTO, which mentions kde-meta"

Try reading the above:

Some good did come from my persistence, however, as someone added the correct command to the Gentoo KDE installation page the next day. I know this because I saved copies of the page on successive days (just before, and just after, it was added). When last I looked, it had not been added to the installation manual.
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The kde-meta comment was not even there a couple of weeks ago.
 
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HardNut

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"Is this thread turning into a spam post?"

Maybe you should explain why you think the thread might be "turning into a spam post."

Don't forget to include a definition of what you think spam is?
 
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